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Apparently he was a resident at UCLA. Hopefully he's not the jerk that trolls Aunt Minnie with a rotating cast of sock-puppet accounts.

I'm impressed that he only put his own program as tied for #13.
 
Kaputt said:
Apparently he was a resident at UCLA. Hopefully he's not the jerk that trolls Aunt Minnie with a rotating cast of sock-puppet accounts.

I'm impressed that he only put his own program as tied for #13.
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Wow, I never made the connection, but I bet he is "chopra."

For anyone who trolls auntminnie, you may recall how frequently he harps on how great hospitalists are...

p53 said:
Medical students are clueless. Lets put it this way 40% of medicine and ped residents do fellowships. In fact the number of fellowship for medicine residents has gone down since after 3 years of residency you can work 26 weeks a year with 26 weeks of vacation and make 200 to 300 k. Many hospitalists pick up extra shifts during the 26 weeks off and clear 300k. Hospitalists jobs are everywhere in every city. In comparison, 90% of radiology residents do a fellowship after 5 total years of 40k a year as a resident. The reason is because there is more information to know in radiology than any other field. In fact radiologists have to know more than pathologists because they have to know all of the disease processes to provide an accurate differential diagnosis. Furthermore radiologists have to know physics cold. No wonder rads is so long. Also many rads do two felllowships to get jobs. Ask any radiology resident about the job market now. Jobs are hard to find.
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cowme said:
unfortunately, there are no BIG residency program names in Houston. Apparently, you have to go to Duke or else you will get a terrible job :laugh:
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Just to add to the discussion, this is not at all what shark was saying. I have personal experience with talking to him about two of my programs, weighing the pros and cons, and he gave me excellent advice. I know he's not the "be all end all" of advice in this board, but at least he always tries to be sincere. I ended up ranking the less prestigious one at number 1 because I felt better there.
 
Medicine as a field is always preoccupied in creating hierarchies of everything. Radiology is definitely no exception. If it makes you feel better that you go to a T5 over T6 program, then so be it.
 
greg1184 said:
Medicine as a field is always preoccupied in creating hierarchies of everything. Radiology is definitely no exception. If it makes you feel better that you go to a T5 over T6 program, then so be it.
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More like...human nature is preoccupied with hierarchies. I'd say it's worse in business and law than medicine.
 
Kaputt said:
More like...human nature is preoccupied with hierarchies. I'd say it's worse in business and law than medicine.
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Yeah that is true, but they don't hide the fact (e.g. the goal to climb the corporate ladder). But medicine is supposed to be a collegial field under the guise of everything "for the patient," right? :yeahright:
 
orangejello said:
Wow, I never made the connection, but I bet he is "chopra."

For anyone who trolls auntminnie, you may recall how frequently he harps on how great hospitalists are...
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Maybe, but p53 actually liked radiology and stood up for it -- unlike the troll posts at AM (which make up ~70% of all posts on AM).
 
JoshSt said:
Maybe, but p53 actually liked radiology and stood up for it -- unlike the troll posts at AM (which make up ~70% of all posts on AM).
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Read his post history some more. He becomes way negative on radiology before he stops posting on the p53 account.
 
orangejello said:
Read his post history some more. He becomes way negative on radiology before he stops posting on the p53 account.
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Did that and now do agree. Sheesh, we need more people excited by the field
 
2324tigers said:
List probably needs updating
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Update away! I say we drop CCF and put Cornell, Vanderbilt, or Brown in its place. UTSW deserves to be pushed up the list a bit. Does Penn really deserve to be tied for 1 these days? I'd put Hopkins above Penn.
 
Asp said:
Generally location matters more than name.

For desirability / competitiveness:

T1: Top 4 Cali (Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD); Mass General
T2: Brigham; Top NY (Cornell, NYU); UW
T3: Every other decent Cali program; Top 10 programs in marginal locations (Penn, Duke, Michigan); Top Chicago (Northwestern, UChicago); UTSW; BID
T4: Hopkins, MIR, Mayo, Wake Forest and pretty much any other academic powerhouse in less desirable locations; rest of Cali
T5: Big city academic program in rest of country = community program in NY (at least the ones that aren't consistently on the probation list), Chicago, Boston
T6: Academic program in fly-over land = community program in other big cities not aforementioned
T7: Community program in fly-over land

Anything T1-T5 is fine. Arguably some of the less desirable locations are more livable on a resident's salary. For some the star locations (SF, NY) are worth it; for many, not.

T6 is marginal. At T7 I would only do radiology if you truly love it. You will likely be training with many IMGs and have difficulty competing for the best fellowships and jobs.
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Is this really true from what people have experienced? It's hard for me to believe that UW and decent cali programs like UCI/USC/UC Davis are harder to get into than Penn, Duke, or Hopkins(these are all national brand names that I thought would be impressive from coast to coast).
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Is this really true from what people have experienced? It's hard for me to believe that UW and decent cali programs like UCI/USC/UC Davis are harder to get into than Penn, Duke, or Hopkins(these are all national brand names that I thought would be impressive from coast to coast).
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This would be near impossible to prove unless you had rank lists and outcomes from several applicants, however I don't think it's unreasonable. There are a lot of California students in my class (not just applying to radiology) who are trying to go back and will rank Cali programs over better name programs elsewhere. Rank lists are personal at the end of the day.

The argument that radiology is not worth doing if you're not at one of the top tier places according to that user is laughable. Residency is a means to a career. I would much rather at a marginal program with IMGs than be at any IM program.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Is this really true from what people have experienced? It's hard for me to believe that UW and decent cali programs like UCI/USC/UC Davis are harder to get into than Penn, Duke, or Hopkins(these are all national brand names that I thought would be impressive from coast to coast).
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I'm not sure how true this is. The quality of applicants I met at UW and Hopkins(didn't go to Duke or Penn) were phenomenal. They had interviews at all the top places(UCSF/Stanford/MGH/UCLA/etc.) The ones I met at UCI/USC/UC Davis were great too, but nowhere near at that level; seemed like their interviews were mostly in the 10-30 ranks based on doximity(subjective I know) with a few having some top tier interviews. I know USC may be DO friendly also and I saw some IMGs at UCI interviewing??

All in all, my perception is that USC, UCI or UC Davis aren't as hard to get into as as Duke/Penn/Hopkins. UW seemed to be in the same league as Penn/Duke/Hopkins for difficulty to match.

My sample size is small though, and I only spoke to a hand full of other applicants, so take this with a grain of salt.

This is how I would set it up:

T1: Top 4 Cali (Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD); MGH
T2: Brigham; Top NY (Cornell, NYU, maybe Columbia); UW; Top 10 programs in marginal locations (Penn, Duke, Hopkins)
T3: Decent Cali Programs USC (maybe UCI); Top Chicago (Northwestern, UChicago); UTSW;
T4: Top Programs in terrible locations (MIR, Mayo, Michigan); Pretty much any other academic powerhouse(Emory, Wake Forest, UVA, Wisconsin, etc) in less desirable locations; rest of Cali
T5: Big city academic program in rest of country = community program in NY (at least the ones that aren't consistently on the probation list), Chicago, Boston
T6: Academic program in fly-over land = community program in other big cities not aforementioned
T7: Community program in fly-over land
 
As far as California goes,

Tier 1: UCSF, Stanford, UCLA, UCSD
Tier 2: UC Davis, USC, UC Irvine, Loma Linda
Tier 3: Cedars, Kaiser, Santa Clara Valley, SB Cottage, Harbor-UCLA

Is this right?
 
Taking your lists with one grain of salt, I started looking up the proportion of current residents at a program who originated from a USNWR 2016 top 20 medical school. I take higher proportions to be a proxy for the ability to attract nationally competitive applicants. Some limitations. The choice of top 20 vs. top anything else is arbitrary (looking at top 30, Duke and UTSW move up, Cornell moves down). A PD might have a fetish or hate for students from top ranked schools and disproportionately skew the figures. Programs associated with a home institution that is in the top 20 medical schools is disproportionately helped in this measure, but clearly it's not going to pull programs across tiers (eg, Columbia). Please add to the list if you can do the work (I missed a few key ones like Hopkins, UCSD, Northwestern, UW).

UCSF 64%
Stanford 64%
UCLA 61%
HUP 58%
Cornell 57%
MGH 54%
NYU 53%
Santa Clara Valley 50%

BWH 39%
UCSD 38%
Duke 36%
Northwestern 36%
UChicago 35%
Harbor-UCLA 33%
MIR 29%

UPMC 22%
UC Davis 20%
BIDMC 18%
Vanderbilt 16%
Columbia 16%
Jefferson 13%
Kaiser LA 13%
Michigan 12%
Emory 12%
UTSW 10%
UVA 5%
Wisconsin 3%
Mayo 2%
Indiana 2%
 
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Consider the following number of spots in T1-3 + the other top 10 programs

(T1)
UCSF - 14
Stanford - 9
UCSD - 10
UCLA - 12
MGH - 10

(T2)
BWH - 10
Cornell - 10
NYU - 10
Columbia - 8
UW - 12
JHU - 10
Duke - 12
Penn - 12

(T3)
USC - 10
UC Davis - 7
UC Irvine - 6
BID - 10
Northwestern - 9
UChicago - 8
UTSW - 13

(T4)
MIR - 18
Mayo - 13
Michigan - 11

The number of spots in these highly desirable programs total 244. I would imagine that all of these individuals are highly qualified applicants (I also imagine these applicants apply to all top programs). Yet some of the top programs only invite 60-80 individuals for an interview. I just found these numbers to be interesting.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Taking your lists with one grain of salt, I started looking up the proportion of current residents at a program who originated from a USNWR 2016 top 20 medical school. I take higher proportions to be a proxy for the ability to attract nationally competitive applicants. Some limitations. The choice of top 20 vs. top anything else is arbitrary (looking at top 30, Duke and UTSW move up, Cornell moves down). A PD might have a fetish or hate for students from top ranked schools and disproportionately skew the figures. Programs associated with a home institution that is in the top 20 medical schools is disproportionately helped in this measure, but clearly it's not going to pull programs across tiers (eg, Columbia). Please add to the list if you can do the work (I missed a few key ones like Hopkins, UCSD, Northwestern, UW).

UCSF 64%
Stanford 64%
UCLA 61%
HUP 58%
Cornell 57%
MGH 54%
NYU 53%

BWH 39%
Duke 36%
MIR 29%

Vanderbilt 16%
Columbia 16%
Jefferson 13%
Michigan 12%
Emory 12%
UTSW 10%
UVA 5%
Mayo 2%
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This is an interesting way to look at it. I think you have to account for the geographic distribution of top 20 school too, somehow. The northeast corridor certainly has more top 20 programs than say Mayo does surrounding it.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Consider the following number of spots in T1-3 + the other top 10 programs

(T1)
UCSF - 14
Stanford - 9
UCSD - 10
UCLA - 12
MGH - 10

(T2)
BWH - 10
Cornell - 10
NYU - 10
Columbia - 8
UW - 12
JHU - 10
Duke - 12
Penn - 12

(T3)
USC - 10
UC Davis - 7
UC Irvine - 6
BID - 10
Northwestern - 9
UChicago - 8
UTSW - 13

(T4)
MIR - 18
Mayo - 13
Michigan - 11

The number of spots in these highly desirable programs total 244. I would imagine that all of these individuals are highly qualified applicants (I also imagine these applicants apply to all top programs). Yet some of the top programs only invite 60-80 individuals for an interview. I just found these numbers to be interesting.
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I don't think top applicants are applying all of these programs. I go to a northeast school with a fair number of applicants, I don't know anyone who applied to Mayo, Michigan or UTSW.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
This is an interesting way to look at it. I think you have to account for the geographic distribution of top 20 school too, somehow. The northeast corridor certainly has more top 20 programs than say Mayo does surrounding it.
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This is a reasonable argument. Here is a list of top 20 research medical schools on USNWR by US Census Bureau Region. However, I'm not sure how to modify the method to account for geography. Perhaps weighting by the number of medical students in each of these groups.

NORTHEAST
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Penn
NYU
Cornell
Mount Sinai

SOUTH
Hopkins
Duke
Vanderbilt

WEST:
Stanford
UCSF
UWashington
UCLA
UCSD

MIDWEST:
WashU
UChicago
Michigan
Pitt
Northwestern
 
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Radiologyreviews2015 said:
The number of spots in these highly desirable programs total 244. I would imagine that all of these individuals are highly qualified applicants (I also imagine these applicants apply to all top programs). Yet some of the top programs only invite 60-80 individuals for an interview. I just found these numbers to be interesting.
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I would disagree that these individuals are all the cream of the crop. Last year there were only 650 US MD seniors and 450 IMGs/DOs who ranked radiology as their top preference. 244 is too big a chunk of that, larger than say, AOA is a chunk of med school classes.
 
2015 Top Radiology Residency Program Rankings (factoring in location)


National Ranking

1. Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
2. University of California (San Francisco) Program
3. Brigham and Women's Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
4. Stanford University Program
5. New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program
6. Johns Hopkins University Program
7. University of Pennsylvania Program
8. UCLA Medical Center Program
8. University of California (San Diego) Program
10. New York University School of Medicine Program
11. University of Washington Program
12. New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program
13. Duke University Hospital Program
14. Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program
15. Emory University Program
16. University of Michigan Program
16. McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program
18. Mayo Clinic College of Medicine (Rochester) Program
19. UPMC Medical Education Program
20. Thomas Jefferson University Program
21. University of Virginia Program
22. University of Wisconsin Program
23. Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program
24. Indiana University School of Medicine Program
25. Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program


Regional Ranking

East Coast
1. Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
2. Brigham and Women's Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
3. New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program
4. Johns Hopkins University Program
5. University of Pennsylvania Program
6. New York University School of Medicine Program
7. New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program
8. Thomas Jefferson University Program

West Coast
1. University of California (San Francisco) Program
2. Stanford University Program
3. UCLA Medical Center Program
3. University of California (San Diego) Program
5. University of Washington Program

Midwest
1. Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program
2. University of Michigan Program
2. McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program
4. Mayo Clinic College of Medicine (Rochester) Program
5. UPMC Medical Education Program
6. University of Wisconsin Program
7. Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program
8. Indiana University School of Medicine Program

South
1. Duke University Hospital Program
2. Emory University Program
3. University of Virginia Program
4. Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program


Tier Ranking (based on raw scores)

Tier 1
University of California (San Francisco) Program
Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
Brigham and Women's Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
Stanford University Program

Tier 2
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program
Johns Hopkins University Program
University of Pennsylvania Program
UCLA Medical Center Program
University of California (San Diego) Program
New York University School of Medicine Program
University of Washington Program

Tier 3
New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program
Duke University Hospital Program
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program
Emory University Program
University of Michigan Program
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program
Mayo Clinic College of Medicine (Rochester) Program
UPMC Medical Education Program
Thomas Jefferson University Program

Tier 4
University of Virginia Program
University of Wisconsin Program
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program
Indiana University School of Medicine Program
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program
 
Reorganized based on region

NORTHWEST:
HUP 58%
Cornell 57%
MGH 54%
NYU 53%
BWH 39%
BIDMC 18%
Columbia 16%
Jefferson 13%


WEST:
UCSF 64%
Stanford 64%
UCLA 61%
Santa Clara Valley 50%
UCSD 38%
Harbor-UCLA 33%
UC Davis 20%
Kaiser LA 13%


SOUTH:
Duke 36%
Vanderbilt 16%
Emory 12%
UTSW 10%
UVA 5%


MIDWEST
Northwestern 36%
UChicago 35%
MIR 29%
UPMC 22%
Michigan 12%
Wisconsin 3%
Mayo 2%
Indiana 2%
 
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In theory, could one go to any of the top 25 programs and then work in academics?

I understand there's a benefit to going to the top places, but I'm trying to rank the middle of my list and understand if ranking a private practice oriented program (with a 20-40 ranking) would effectively close the door to academics?
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
I would disagree that these individuals are all the cream of the crop. Last year there were only 650 US MD seniors and 450 IMGs/DOs who ranked radiology as their top preference. 244 is too big a chunk of that, larger than say, AOA is a chunk of med school classes.
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Indeed according to NRMP databases that I've seen, the number of US seniors matching to radiology from 2009 - 2015 went like this:
1117 -> 1027 -> 940 -> 865 -> 875 -> 803 -> 680

Meanwhile on ERAS database the number of US senior applying to radiology from 2009 - 2015 are:
1435 -> 1361 -> 1235 -> 1096 -> 1115 -> 1070 -> 901
with 2016 number being 1049.

The different between the NRMP number and the ERAS number are probably due to people who are applying to another field in addition to radiology (it is hard to say whether they are more or less competitive fields than radiology).

Only time will tell how many US seniors actually applied to radiology as their first choice this year (I don't think there is a way for the programs to know this on the application?). My guess is around 800, which would mean that close to a third of US senior applicants have a good chance of landing a position on one of those coveted (?) programs.
 
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Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Indeed according to NRMP databases that I've seen, the number of US seniors applying to radiology from 2009 - 2015 went like this:
1117 -> 1027 -> 940 -> 865 -> 875 -> 803 -> 680

Meanwhile on ERAS database the number of US senior applying to radiology from 2009 - 2015 are:
1435 -> 1361 -> 1235 -> 1096 -> 1115 -> 1070 -> 901
with 2016 number being 1049.

The different between the NRMP number and the ERAS number are probably due to people who are applying to another field in addition to radiology (it is hard to say whether they are more or less competitive fields than radiology).

Only time will tell how many US seniors actually applied to radiology as their first choice this year (I don't think there is a way for the programs to know this on the application?).
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Interesting, didn't know NRMP put out separate numbers. If we're the new back-up field, then question would be are DERM/ENT/RadOnc applications also up this year? Because then some of those excess will become radiology applicants and probably pretty good radiology applicants.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Interesting, didn't know NRMP put out separate numbers. If we're the new back-up field, then question would be are DERM/ENT/RadOnc applications also up this year? Because then some of those excess will become radiology applicants and probably pretty good radiology applicants.
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derm, radonc, ent, ortho, uro numbers did not go up this year (ent went down, actually). I think a certain percentage of those applicants have always applied to radiology, Difference seems to be about 250 consistently in the last 4 years.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Interesting, didn't know NRMP put out separate numbers.
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The discrepancy between NRMP and ERAS numbers include the following:
1) people who apply to radiology only via the SOAP (appears in ERAS full season numbers but not in ERAS numbers for season prior to February 15, and not counted in NRMP Main Match numbers) (eg, applicants who fail to match in a more competitive specialty)
2) people who apply to radiology programs in ERAS but do not rank any programs in NRMP (eg, weak applicants who did not receive any interviews)
3) US MDs who previously graduated, DO students/graduates, and Canadian students/graduates (not counted as US seniors in NRMP but are counted under "USGs" or "UMGs" in ERAS statistics, depending on the source)
 
chronicidal said:
The discrepancy between NRMP and ERAS numbers include the following:
1) people who apply to radiology only via the SOAP (appears in ERAS full season numbers but not in ERAS numbers for season prior to February 15, and not counted in NRMP Main Match numbers) (eg, applicants who fail to match in a more competitive specialty)
2) people who apply to radiology programs in ERAS but do not rank any programs in NRMP (eg, weak applicants who did not receive any interviews)
3) US MDs who previously graduated, DO students/graduates, and Canadian students/graduates (not counted as US seniors in NRMP but are counted under "USGs" or "UMGs" in ERAS statistics, depending on the source)
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Thank you for correcting. On closer examination of the NRMP data, you are right. I didn't realize that the number of people falling into the categories 2 and 3 were so big. I think the above ERAS numbers are as of 10/15 of each year. The total season numbers are more than two-fold higher. It seems the applicant pool number this year is pretty much back to 2 years ago.

NRMP data shows each year there's about 20-30 US seniors that rank radiology but not as their first-ranked specialty, which is a relatively small number.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Taking your lists with one grain of salt, I started looking up the proportion of current residents at a program who originated from a USNWR 2016 top 20 medical school. I take higher proportions to be a proxy for the ability to attract nationally competitive applicants. Some limitations. The choice of top 20 vs. top anything else is arbitrary (looking at top 30, Duke and UTSW move up, Cornell moves down). A PD might have a fetish or hate for students from top ranked schools and disproportionately skew the figures. Programs associated with a home institution that is in the top 20 medical schools is disproportionately helped in this measure, but clearly it's not going to pull programs across tiers (eg, Columbia). Please add to the list if you can do the work (I missed a few key ones like Hopkins, UCSD, Northwestern, UW).

UCSF 64%
Stanford 64%
UCLA 61%
HUP 58%
Cornell 57%
MGH 54%
NYU 53%
Santa Clara Valley 50%

BWH 39%
UCSD 38%
Duke 36%
Northwestern 36%
UChicago 35%
Harbor-UCLA 33%
MIR 29%

UPMC 22%
UC Davis 20%
BIDMC 18%
Vanderbilt 16%
Columbia 16%
Jefferson 13%
Kaiser LA 13%
Michigan 12%
Emory 12%
UTSW 10%
UVA 5%
Wisconsin 3%
Mayo 2%
Indiana 2%
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What's up with Santa Clara Valley and UCLA Harbor? Their percentage from a top 20 med school seems disproportionately high.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Taking your lists with one grain of salt, I started looking up the proportion of current residents at a program who originated from a USNWR 2016 top 20 medical school. I take higher proportions to be a proxy for the ability to attract nationally competitive applicants. Some limitations. The choice of top 20 vs. top anything else is arbitrary (looking at top 30, Duke and UTSW move up, Cornell moves down). A PD might have a fetish or hate for students from top ranked schools and disproportionately skew the figures. Programs associated with a home institution that is in the top 20 medical schools is disproportionately helped in this measure, but clearly it's not going to pull programs across tiers (eg, Columbia). Please add to the list if you can do the work (I missed a few key ones like Hopkins, UCSD, Northwestern, UW).

UCSF 64%
Stanford 64%
UCLA 61%
HUP 58%
Cornell 57%
MGH 54%
NYU 53%
UW 52%
Santa Clara Valley 50%

BWH 39%
UCSD 38%
Duke 36%
Northwestern 36%
UChicago 35%
Harbor-UCLA 33%
JHU 33%
MIR 29%

UPMC 22%
UC Davis 20%
BIDMC 18%
Vanderbilt 16%
Columbia 16%
Jefferson 13%
Kaiser LA 13%
Michigan 12%
Emory 12%
UTSW 10%
UVA 5%
Wisconsin 3%
Mayo 2%
Indiana 2%
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Added JHU and UW.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
I'm not sure how true this is. The quality of applicants I met at UW and Hopkins(didn't go to Duke or Penn) were phenomenal. They had interviews at all the top places(UCSF/Stanford/MGH/UCLA/etc.) The ones I met at UCI/USC/UC Davis were great too, but nowhere near at that level; seemed like their interviews were mostly in the 10-30 ranks based on doximity(subjective I know) with a few having some top tier interviews. I know USC may be DO friendly also and I saw some IMGs at UCI interviewing??

All in all, my perception is that USC, UCI or UC Davis aren't as hard to get into as as Duke/Penn/Hopkins. UW seemed to be in the same league as Penn/Duke/Hopkins for difficulty to match.

My sample size is small though, and I only spoke to a hand full of other applicants, so take this with a grain of salt.

This is how I would set it up:

T1: Top 4 Cali (Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD); MGH
T2: Brigham; Top NY (Cornell, NYU, maybe Columbia); UW; Top 10 programs in marginal locations (Penn, Duke, Hopkins)
T3: Decent Cali Programs USC (maybe UCI); Top Chicago (Northwestern, UChicago); UTSW;
T4: Top Programs in terrible locations (MIR, Mayo, Michigan); Pretty much any other academic powerhouse(Emory, Wake Forest, UVA, Wisconsin, etc) in less desirable locations; rest of Cali
T5: Big city academic program in rest of country = community program in NY (at least the ones that aren't consistently on the probation list), Chicago, Boston
T6: Academic program in fly-over land = community program in other big cities not aforementioned
T7: Community program in fly-over land
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Seems accurate.

Had two interviews from T1. Five from T2. And pretty much had every interview from T3 and T4.

The people i met at T1 and T2 had all the same big name interviews.

Penn, Duke, Hopkins are definitely T2 from my experience(original post put them as T4). Also, I think columbia is probably T3.

Anyways, hope this helps. Goodluck to all the incoming applicants!
 
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Radiologyreviews2015 said:
What's up with Santa Clara Valley and UCLA Harbor? Their percentage from a top 20 med school seems disproportionately high.
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I know this is an old thread that's been brought back to life, but I just wanted to respond to this. SCVMC is a very good program. They arguably receive better clinical training than many other places, and the faculty/staff are top notch (and from "top" schools). If you look at their fellowship match list, they match nearly everyone to Stanford/UCSF/UW. I have a friend who's interning at Harbor UCLA and he says their rads program is good as well.
 
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