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What is the general rule at most programs for sick days? Our program now gives zero sick days. Everything is vacation with a total of 15 vacation days. So if a resident comes down with the flu, there go 2-3 vacation days as they are not supposed to come in with the flue. Is this the norm? And please don't get on any soap boxes to debate whether a resident should or should not take sick days please.

 

[h2oriderz]

sick days come out of our vacation time as well, pretty standard.

 

[Gardner]

Our program gives 15 vacation days and 5 sick days per year.

 

[proman]

ACGME allows 20 days per year to be missed without extending your training. My program gave us 20 days of vacation and no sick days. We had a jeopardy system to cover the sick out. You owed the jeopardized person a call to keep the system net zero.

Read your GME manual or check with your GME office. They'll have exactly what your institution permits.

 

[Bertelman]

sick days come out of our vacation time as well, pretty standard.

Along with most other jobs out there these days. Truth is, if you give someone "sick days", people feel cheated if they don't get sick, and end up taking these days anyways.

You have an entry-level job with 3 weeks vacation/sick pay. I've heard of worse.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

ACGME allows 20 days per year to be missed without extending your training. My program gave us 20 days of vacation and no sick days. We had a jeopardy system to cover the sick out. You owed the jeopardized person a call to keep the system net zero.

Read your GME manual or check with your GME office. They'll have exactly what your institution permits.

I believe this is how my program does it, too.

 

[fakin' the funk]

Don't get sick

 

[Gasworks]

That seems god awful. My program had 20 vacation days, 2 conference days, 3 float holidays and 12 sick days per year. These were in our contract with the university and never questioned by any member of the faculty. Thankfully we were staffed well enough to manage 2 attendings and 2 residents out sick per day so even during the times when the department was ravaged with the flu we never had to close rooms or cancel cases.

Personally, I took every one of those days (including sick days) every year I was there. During our graduation dinner my PD congratulated me on completing my anesthesia residency with just 2 weeks of clinical experience lol..

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

That seems god awful. My program had 20 vacation days, 2 conference days, 3 float holidays and 12 sick days per year. These were in our contract with the university and never questioned by any member of the faculty. Thankfully we were staffed well enough to manage 2 attendings and 2 residents out sick per day so even during the times when the department was ravaged with the flu we never had to close rooms or cancel cases.

Personally, I took every one of those days (including sick days) every year I was there. During our graduation dinner my PD congratulated me on completing my anesthesia residency with just 2 weeks of clinical experience lol..

Is that really a good thing, though? I understand vacay, conference days, (never have heard of a float holiday till now), etc... but to take all 12 sick days, too?

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I think taking 12 sick days is sort of ridiculous.

 

[mghanesres]

15 vacation days and 5 sick days per year at MGH (plus 5 meeting days.) The only people who seem to really use all their sick days are people having major surgery, but they're there if you need them.

 

[nycitygas]

We get 20 days off 5 more for conference. Sick days come out vacation.
We have to take the 20 days off in one week blocks (post call friday then back the following monday) which is nice but sometimes I'm envious of my medicine colleagues who get a few "personal" days they can take anytime they want.

 

[Apollyon]

When I did my prelim year, my contract was with the NYC Health and Hospitals Corporation. We had 12 (I think) sick days in the contract, along with a calendar month off for vacation. Those days didn't come out of the vacation.

 

[chocomorsel]

That seems god awful. My program had 20 vacation days, 2 conference days, 3 float holidays and 12 sick days per year. These were in our contract with the university and never questioned by any member of the faculty. Thankfully we were staffed well enough to manage 2 attendings and 2 residents out sick per day so even during the times when the department was ravaged with the flu we never had to close rooms or cancel cases.

Personally, I took every one of those days (including sick days) every year I was there. During our graduation dinner my PD congratulated me on completing my anesthesia residency with just 2 weeks of clinical experience lol..

How did you manage to graduate on time? I thought we were only allowed to miss a total of 60 days in three years. Does that include educational leave? Anyway you missed at least 32 days a year just counting vacation and sick days. How come you didn't have to stay longer to make up those days?

 

[muchmargarita]

I agree with chocomorsel. There is no way that Gasworks could have graduated on time with all those days off per year. Now is gasworks graduated in 2006, then maybe the rules were softer then. Now no way. 60 is the max any resident can miss with out making up time. We offer 15 days vacation, 5 days sick and 5 days for conferences per year. Conferences are considered acad.

 

[Gasworks]

Rules on apply if your PD chooses to enforce them. There were women in my program who missed more time when they were pregnant and they did not have to make up any time either. Last time I checked there is no attendance book that gets mailed to ACGME before you complete residency. You guys who are getting 20 days off per year with no sick days are getting the shaft.

 

[Surfer]

the shaft was what the people covering you during your "sick" days got. i hated residents like you.