Residents and tuition

2005

Member
7+ Year Member
15+ Year Member
Jul 30, 2003
53
0
middle of freaking nowhere
    Are there any other programs out there besides UMN that consider their residents students?

    Does anyone have any idea how much the tuition will be at UMN for residents? I realize the department reimburses this amount, but I believe it still counts as income and therefore taxes must be paid on it. Some how I don't think the education deduction will make up for the tax burden.

    Thoughts anyone?
     

    2005

    Member
    7+ Year Member
    15+ Year Member
    Jul 30, 2003
    53
    0
    middle of freaking nowhere
      yaah said:
      I have never heard of this. A student of what? At some programs you can be a student and get your MPH or MBA concurrent with residency, but otherwise no. Most programs give you the rights of a student to libraries, etc.

      They make you pay? How much?

      I'm not sure. When I asked the program director, he couldn't give me details. Guess I'll have to call the GME. I know it used to be a tax advantage because as a graduate student you didn't have to pay FICA on your graduate student stipend. However, I don't believe that is the case anymore.
       
      About the Ads

      2005

      Member
      7+ Year Member
      15+ Year Member
      Jul 30, 2003
      53
      0
      middle of freaking nowhere
        It indicates in the resident handbook under "Medical Resident Stipends" that Medical Residents pay tuition and associated fees by payroll deduction, based on University tuition rates and associated fees for each semester of enrollment (subject to change without notice). The above Medical Resident's stipends will be supplemented by the Department to cover the cost of tuition and fees.
         

        deschutes

        Thing
        Moderator Emeritus
        10+ Year Member
        Jul 24, 2004
        4,703
        1
        On location
        1. Attending Physician
          Don't all residents pay tuition?

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that UMN was unique in considering its residents students and therefore exempt from FICA, although that will change this year and is the reason why this is only now turning up as an issue.

          Background on the Issue of FICA, Residents, and IRS Refunds
           

          2005

          Member
          7+ Year Member
          15+ Year Member
          Jul 30, 2003
          53
          0
          middle of freaking nowhere
            deschutes said:
            Don't all residents pay tuition?

            Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that UMN was unique in considering its residents students and therefore exempt from FICA, although that will change this year and is the reason why this is only now turning up as an issue.

            Background on the Issue of FICA, Residents, and IRS Refunds

            Yes, all UMN residents pay tuition. My concern was the "cost" of the tuition. If the tuition is at the medical student rate ($17K plus) and residents are required to pay state and federal income tax on that amount in addition to their salary, the savings on FICA will not cover the tax burden. Therefore, the FICA savings would ultimately benefit the institution, not the resident. Found this on the internet. It looks outdated, but at least it somewhat answers the question of "how much tuition?"

            Term of Appointment: July 1, 2000 to June 30, 2001.
            Payroll Classification: Medical Fellow Specialist, payroll class-number 9556.
            Post-Graduate Training Year and Stipend (Second for change in rank during year).

            PGY-____ at $ __________ from _________ to _________
            PGY-____ at $ __________ from _________ to _________

            Medical fellow specialists are subject to the withholding of federal and state income taxes. Medical Fellow Specialists pay tuition and associated fees by payroll deduction, approximately $80.00 per pay period (subject to change without notice). Medical fellow specialist stipends have been supplemented by the Department to cover the cost of tuition and associated fees. Advanced credit towards graduation does not increase a medical fellow specialist's rank or benefits, which are calculated based upon the number of successfully completed formal post-graduate years of medical education in laboratory medicine and pathology, following medical school graduation.
             

            deschutes

            Thing
            Moderator Emeritus
            10+ Year Member
            Jul 24, 2004
            4,703
            1
            On location
            1. Attending Physician
              I meant that all residents, everywhere, pay tuition - not just at UMN.

              At any rate, apart from about 3 minutes of thought devoted to the issue (mostly trying to figure out what the issue actually was), it didn't factor into my decision-making at all. UMN quotes a PGY-1 salary of 43k/year. If the problem is serious enough to impoverish the residents, it will be dealt with. I don't think a credible program would want to put its reputation at such stake.
               

              2005

              Member
              7+ Year Member
              15+ Year Member
              Jul 30, 2003
              53
              0
              middle of freaking nowhere
                I don't know of any place else that charges residents tuition as most places don't consider them students and a lot of residency programs (not specifically pathology) are based out of hospitals, not universities. Regardless, you are correct. It should not be the major deciding factor as UMN seems to have a good pathology program.
                 
                About the Ads
                This thread is more than 16 years old.

                Your message may be considered spam for the following reasons:

                1. Your new thread title is very short, and likely is unhelpful.
                2. Your reply is very short and likely does not add anything to the thread.
                3. Your reply is very long and likely does not add anything to the thread.
                4. It is very likely that it does not need any further discussion and thus bumping it serves no purpose.
                5. Your message is mostly quotes or spoilers.
                6. Your reply has occurred very quickly after a previous reply and likely does not add anything to the thread.
                7. This thread is locked.