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Is there any place I can get the retention rates of osteopathic schools?
 
wannabeaDO said:
Is there any place I can get the retention rates of osteopathic schools?
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Probably not. I've asked that question at each of the three D.O. schools I've interviewed at and everyone that I've asked (interviewers and students) guesses at the answer. They've all told me high, all guessing >95% but that doesn't mean much without any data to back it up.
 
Nova told us, 98-100% of the class graduates, those who don't usually drop out because of family reasons.
 
I have heard similar numbers. I am currently in chiropractic school and don't like it all but am finishing it up (graduate in December) and then hopefully going to D.O. school- but we've lost at least 40-45% of our class- mostly b/c they don't screen well and accept nearly anybody- it's very frustrating!
 
wannabeaDO said:
Is there any place I can get the retention rates of osteopathic schools?
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yes it's published in JAOA, I don't remember which issue but it was sometime last year? it's online now at http://www.jaoa.org/ . I think around 3-5% drop out of each class for various reasons, which seems pretty normal
 
britt11 said:
I have heard similar numbers. I am currently in chiropractic school and don't like it all but am finishing it up (graduate in December) and then hopefully going to D.O. school- but we've lost at least 40-45% of our class- mostly b/c they don't screen well and accept nearly anybody- it's very frustrating!
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Yeah, that's a common problem with certain health professional schools.
 
Just for reference, I asked this specific question while on tour at PCOM. The answer was about 10 students end up dropping out of each class (roughly). So 10/270 is under 5%... Sounds about right.
 
eklip53 said:
Just for reference, I asked this specific question while on tour at PCOM. The answer was about 10 students end up dropping out of each class (roughly). So 10/270 is under 5%... Sounds about right.
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PCOM's class size is 270????
 
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A friend of mine attends KCUMB and she said they've lost 6 first years due to dropping out for various reasons and another 3 first years were about to be dismissed for academic reasons. That's 9 before first year is over. But that's the norm, I believe.
 
Are you counting folks who leave your particular class to take more time (i.e. the five or six year plan due to repeating classes) as dropping out of your class?
 
ShyRem said:
Are you counting folks who leave your particular class to take more time (i.e. the five or six year plan due to repeating classes) as dropping out of your class?
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If you're talking to me, it's not my class, it's my friend's class. I didn't think to ask her if they were taking more time or will be back next year. She just said that's how many they lost.
 
I think true "drop out" (i.e. left medical school forever) numbers are rather low. The numbers of folks who have to repeat entire years can be quite high, particularly in years where the administration gets a while hair up their butt and change entire curriculae and test schedules than in other years.
 
ShyRem said:
I think true "drop out" (i.e. left medical school forever) numbers are rather low. The numbers of folks who have to repeat entire years can be quite high, particularly in years where the administration gets a while hair up their butt and change entire curriculae and test schedules than in other years.
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Even if every single one of them dropped out; 9/241 is only ~3.8% which is impressive in my mind.
 
ShyRem said:
I think true "drop out" (i.e. left medical school forever) numbers are rather low. The numbers of folks who have to repeat entire years can be quite high, particularly in years where the administration gets a while hair up their butt and change entire curriculae and test schedules than in other years.
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Well she did say that three 1st year students were being dismissed for academic reasons so I don't think they let you repeat a year there.
 
MLT2MT2DO said:
Even if every single one of them dropped out; 9/241 is only ~3.8% which is impressive in my mind.
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No your numbers are wrong. This is only the first year class and it's only half the year. So that 3.8% is the drop-out rate after only 4 months of med school. You have no idea what it'll be after the full year is over or after second year. I heard the first two years is when you lose most of the people you'll lose from your class.
 
Just Joshin said:
No your numbers are wrong. This is only the first year class and it's only half the year. So that 3.8% is the drop-out rate after only 4 months of med school. You have no idea what it'll be after the full year is over or after second year. I heard the first two years is when you lose most of the people you'll lose from your class.
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Holy cripes, caffeine much? Simmadownna. I didn't mean to imply that this was all that wouldn't make it from said class.

I would think the first semester of medical school would be when the majority of those that wouldn't make it in medical school would fail/drop due to the shock overload.

Again you posted those "heresay" numbers not knowing if any of those are simply having to repeat in the upcoming class, have taken personal leave, or what. 3.8% is not a horrible worst case scenario number in my mind, call me overly optimistic.
 
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Holy cripes, caffeine much? Simmadownna. I didn't mean to imply that this was all that wouldn't make it from said class.

I would think the first semester of medical school would be when the majority of those that wouldn't make it in medical school would fail/drop due to the shock overload.

Again you posted those "heresay" numbers not knowing if any of those are simply having to repeat in the upcoming class, have taken personal leave, or what. 3.8% is not a horrible worst case scenario number in my mind, call me overly optimistic.
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Actually, I couldn't have calmer when I posted. Don't mistake pointing out your error as me having too much caffeine.

Nowhere has it been shown that most people who leave or are forced out of med school do so in the first semester. Given the threads on allo about this, it seems most people last one full year, some longer. I also said that the school doesn't seem to have a repeat the year option so no one is repeating the year. Some might have taken a leave, but no one is repeating the year. And again I say that I disagree that 3.8 drop-out rate after only one semester is impressive. To me it isn't.
 
I'm class of 2012, and our class size went down from 272 the week of orientation to current size of 262. I have for a fact that a couple of people are on leave for the year due to personal reasons and that we lost ~7 for academics. The policies here are often fair (but not always in my opinion), that you get a chance to remediate up to 3 sections if you have academic difficulties. That is three sections over the 1st two years, so if you unfortunately have to do all three and are unsuccessful in the first year, then you are dismissed. But to note, also I have not seen a pic of the graduating classes that have more than 250 or so. We may lose some more this year, who knows.

Also another thing that skews graduating class numbers is the number of students doing fellowships in Anatomy, Path, or OMM. This year I think there are a total of 8.
 
A first year student at KCUMB won his/her appeal and is back at school after having been dismissed for academic difficulties.

I've heard that at some schools, the appeals process is a formality. I'm glad that at KCUMB, they're fair about it and willing to overturn a dismissal if the situation warrants another look.
 
In the documents above, does the match participation count both match programs or just one or the other? I'm assuming that AOA and ACGME match separately, but I don't really know how that works.
 
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