Retook the mcat and I did worse by a point, but my score distribution improved in 2 sections.

[mrh125]

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[NuttyEngDude]

Some schools like GW (I think) take the best of each subsection, so you might not be as bad as you think, BUT some average and others will consider you to have regressed.

 

[mrh125]

Some schools like GW (I think) take the best of each subsection, so you might not be as bad as you think, BUT some average and others will consider you to have regressed.

do you know any other schools that do that or have more info on it? if schools take the average i regressed by .5. I had a huge list of schools to apply to, but now idk.

 

[WillburCobb]

What's your list of schools?

 

[LostinLift]

You say you have good ECs, how are your letters? Do you have the money/time to blow on an application season? Look at the GPA/MCAT Grid for your race and see what your chances roughly are

https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html

 

[mrh125]

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[mrh125]

You say you have good ECs, how are your letters? Do you have the money/time to blow on an application season? Look at the GPA/MCAT Grid for your race and see what your chances roughly are

https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html

my letters are absolutely stellar from my professors, dr i worked with etc. I want to get in a school this application season (preferably MD), I'll apply to however many MD schools it takes.

 

[AkGrown84]

I'd say apply broadly (and look at each specific school and how they check out MCATs......BUY the MSAR and scour the websites), and you may have a chance. A 28/29 MCAT isn't necessarily a death sentence as long as the rest of your application looks good. Apply *strategically*.....meaning no Hopkins, Mayo, etc. If you're realistic about where you apply to, you'd have a shot. Also, I don't know how open to DO you are, but you'd be a very strong applicant there. I applied both DO and MD with a 25 MCAT (6P/10V/9B.....Physics/Gen Chem killed me, clearly), and ended up with 3 MD and 4 DO interviews. I'll be matriculating in the fall.

If you want to be a physician, this will not keep you from that. You just have to either apply smart and/or apply DO.

 

[mrh125]

I'd say apply broadly (and look at each specific school and how they check out MCATs......BUY the MSAR and scour the websites), and you may have a chance. A 28/29 MCAT isn't necessarily a death sentence as long as the rest of your application looks good. Apply *strategically*.....meaning no Hopkins, Mayo, etc. If you're realistic about where you apply to, you'd have a shot. Also, I don't know how open to DO you are, but you'd be a very strong applicant there. I applied both DO and MD with a 25 MCAT (6P/10V/9B.....Physics/Gen Chem killed me, clearly), and ended up with 3 MD and 4 DO interviews. I'll be matriculating in the fall.

If you want to be a physician, this will not keep you from that. You just have to either apply smart and/or apply DO.

how many and what MD schools did you apply to if you don't mind me asking? I bought the msar and my list above is pretty much what i'm going to apply to and based off of that and a few other sites. The rest of my app is great it's just these scores. Also, what was your gpa?

 

[AkGrown84]

it's really long.
MD:
University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati.
I took out crieghton because they require humanities letters of recommendations

DO: everything

Ok.....I think you may not have thought this through. You have waaaaaaaayyy too many state schools in there. It's a pretty rare instance that some of your choices even consider OOS applicants. U of Hawaii, for instance. If you're not a resident of Hawaii, of Hawaiian descent, or a resident of Alaska (there's a weird unspoken relationship between Hawaii and AK), then they pretty much don't look at your application. Many others in your list are similar, but to a slightly less stringent aspect. Buy the MSAR, and calculate the percentage of OOS applicants are accepte/matriculate and go from there. Otherwise, you'll be wasting a LOT of money.

 

[mrh125]

Ok.....I think you may not have thought this through. You have waaaaaaaayyy too many state schools in there. It's a pretty rare instance that some of your choices even consider OOS applicants. U of Hawaii, for instance. If you're not a resident of Hawaii, of Hawaiian descent, or a resident of Alaska (there's a weird unspoken relationship between Hawaii and AK), then they pretty much don't look at your application. Many others in your list are similar, but to a slightly less stringent aspect. Buy the MSAR, and calculate the percentage of OOS applicants are accepte/matriculate and go from there. Otherwise, you'll be wasting a LOT of money.

I got the MSAR and I've been using OOS data (Pretty much taking every school w/ over 50%). My parents do own a house in hawaii so maybe that'd help.

 

[AkGrown84]

how many and what MD schools did you apply to if you don't mind me asking? I bought the msar and my list above is pretty much what i'm going to apply to and based off of that and a few other sites. The rest of my app is great it's just these scores. Also, what was your gpa?

GPA is 3.5c and 3.55s. I am non-traditional, and have unique EC's. I also have killer writing skills (my degree is in History.....which I do love, but is basically a degree in reading and writing about history!), and most of my interviewers had mentioned something about either my PS or essays during interviews, so I'm sure that helped. I applied to Creighton, Drexel, Loma Linda, Temple, TCMC, USUHS, U of AZ, U of KS, U of WA, and Western Michigan. I applied strategically to state schools (and only three of them) because of the low OOS acceptance rate. UW is technically my "state" school (Alaskan resident) through the WWAMI program, so I'm considered IS there. I have significant ties to U AZ and U KS, which is why I applied there. I ended up with interviews from UW, U KS, and Drexel. Ultimately rejected from all three, and the feedback from two basically was "if only for that MCAT score.......". Which stinks, but made me feel a *little* better that it was something as simple as that.

I also applied to about a dozen DO schools, and received ii's from PNWU (again, regionally biased, but I'm in that region), Touro Nevada, PCOM, and LMU-DCOM. Of those, I cancelled my PNWU interview because I'd already been accepted to PCOM, and that was my first choice DO school......I'll be leaving for Philadelphia this summer!

 

[AkGrown84]

I got the MSAR and I've been using OOS data (Pretty much taking every school w/ over 50%). My parents do own a house in hawaii so maybe that'd help.

I'd still rethink the Hawaii app. Unless you are a resident yourself, are Hawaiian, or Alaskan, they accept only geniuses. Seriously.....look at the MSAR data, and those handful of OOS students each year are either insanely gifted or from Alaska.
Source: my cousin works for the U of Hawaii and tried to get me to apply there. Logistics just wouldn't work with a family.

 

[WillburCobb]

it's really long.
MD:
University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati.

I took out creighton because they require humanities letters of recommendations and I don't have one. Any recommendations of what to cut off? This list comes from MSAR, us news and LizzyM data.


DO: everything

I'll comment on what I know (though some of this is contigent on your state of residency):

Edit - I noticed CA as your state of residency so I've updated this

Pretty much no chance at the following:

USD - No chance unless you have STRONG ties (i.e., grew-up there), or are native american.
UND - I know we have a pretty awesome hockey team and our 100+ F summers with 85%+ humidity and -30+ F (-70 when you factor in windchill) is a god send for most people, but unfortunately 0% chance unless you're a former long term resident, WICHE, MN, or native. 7 spots are reserved for native american students and 11 OOS spots are reserved for MN/WICHE applicants, the rest go to IS.
Tulane - They have a very strong preference for MCAT > GPA. IIRC the means for matriculants are ~34 MCAT 3.4 GPA
Oregon - For OOS you pretty much need a 3.6+ and 32+ for consideration
Hawaii - Slim chances unless you have STRONG ties
U of MN - Very slim chance at TC campus, 0% at the Duluth campus
Brown - Most matriculants come from their BS/MD program
U of Wash - Unless you truly are commited to rural health, no chance.

I would consider adding NYMC to your list.

 

[terp720]

it's really long.
MD:
University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati.

I took out creighton because they require humanities letters of recommendations and I don't have one. Any recommendations of what to cut off? This list comes from MSAR, us news and LizzyM data.


DO: everything

what state are you from? Some of these schools don't make sense to me unless you are a resident or have really strong ties to the area.

 

[mrh125]

what state are you from? Some of these schools don't make sense to me unless you are a resident or have really strong ties to the area.

California, what schools should I take out? I took out utah's medical school bc it requires ties to their area.

 

[mrh125]

I'd still rethink the Hawaii app. Unless you are a resident yourself, are Hawaiian, or Alaskan, they accept only geniuses. Seriously.....look at the MSAR data, and those handful of OOS students each year are either insanely gifted or from Alaska.
Source: my cousin works for the U of Hawaii and tried to get me to apply there. Logistics just wouldn't work with a family.

makes sense, will do. I'd love to go to med school in hawaii though

I'll comment on what I know (though some of this is contigent on your state of residency):

Edit - I noticed CA as your state of residency so I've updated this

Pretty much no chance at the following:

USD - No chance unless you have STRONG ties (i.e., grew-up there), or are native american.
UND - I know we have a pretty awesome hockey team and our 100+ F summers with 85%+ humidity and -30+ F (-70 when you factor in windchill) is a god send for most people, but unfortunately 0% chance unless you're a former long term resident, WICHE, MN, or native. 7 spots are reserved for native american students and 11 OOS spots are reserved for MN/WICHE applicants, the rest go to IS.
Tulane - They have a very strong preference for MCAT > GPA. IIRC the means for matriculants are ~34 MCAT 3.4 GPA
Oregon - For OOS you pretty much need a 3.6+ and 32+ for consideration
Hawaii - Slim chances unless you have STRONG ties
U of MN - Very slim chance at TC campus, 0% at the Duluth campus
Brown - Most matriculants come from their BS/MD program
U of Wash - Unless you truly are commited to rural health, no chance.

I would consider adding NYMC to your list.

will do. i'll take all those off. what exactly defines strong ties btw? Does having parents w/ a condo in hawaii count as strong ties? 😛 I will add NYMC, any other recommendations of what to add? thanks for your help I really appreciate it 🙂.

 

[AkGrown84]

California, what schools should I take out? I took out utah's medical school bc it requires ties to their area.

I'd take out pretty much every state school except those in California. If you grew up somewhere else, did undergrad somewhere else, or your parents are now in a different state, then think about applying to any of those states. Otherwise, good luck with that one. It really is a big, fat waste of $$ applying to most OOS schools. Sprinkle a couple in that you'd LOVE to go to, but your list is WAY too state-heavy.

 

[chenzt]

University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati.

I took out creighton because they require humanities letters of recommendations and I don't have one. Any recommendations of what to cut off? This list comes from MSAR, us news and LizzyM data.

I got the MSAR and I've been using OOS data (Pretty much taking every school w/ over 50%). My parents do own a house in hawaii so maybe that'd help.

... You must've read something wrong. The bolded are all schools that matriculate 50% OOS

Marshall - Can't apply unless you are resident of WV or a state that touches WV.
NE Ohio Med - only takes ohio residents, mostly via BS/MD

 

[terp720]

California, what schools should I take out? I took out utah's medical school bc it requires ties to their area.

in general OOS public schools (although there are some that are OOS friendly), but of the ones I know about:

-unless you have ties to Georgia, I don't think it's a good option.. they're not very OOS friendly as far as I understand
- UNC has only 20 spots reserved for OOS applicants, so their admissions criteria is higher for OOS (from them: Supplemental applications will typically be sent to qualified out-of-state applicants who meet the following academic criteria: science GPA (or BCPM) of 3.49; cumulative GPA of 3.59 and a total MCAT score of 33 or greater)
- not sure about CA residents but my understanding is that UWashington is not OOS friendly because of the WWAMI seats
- iffy on the SC schools... Columbia seems to only interview around 3% of OOS applicants, so odds really aren't that great

please correct me if I'm wrong!

 

[WillburCobb]

makes sense, will do. I'd love to go to med school in hawaii though


will do. i'll take all those off. what exactly defines strong ties btw? Does having parents w/ a condo in hawaii count as strong ties? 😛 I will add NYMC, any other recommendations of what to add? thanks for your help I really appreciate it 🙂.

Pretty much what @AkGrown84 said. Grew-up in the state but moved during high school or for college, your parents moved there after college, your significant other is attending med/grad/professional school or residency their, etc. Some of these latter ones are starting to stretch it though.

 

[mrh125]

I'd take out pretty much every state school except those in California. If you grew up somewhere else, did undergrad somewhere else, or your parents are now in a different state, then think about applying to any of those states. Otherwise, good luck with that one. It really is a big, fat waste of $$ applying to most OOS schools. Sprinkle a couple in that you'd LOVE to go to, but your list is WAY too state-heavy.

okay for clarification, what exactly counts as a state school? I want to apply broadly as possible and maximize my chances of getting in.

 

[boomboompow]

I'd take out pretty much every state school except those in California. If you grew up somewhere else, did undergrad somewhere else, or your parents are now in a different state, then think about applying to any of those states. Otherwise, good luck with that one. It really is a big, fat waste of $$ applying to most OOS schools. Sprinkle a couple in that you'd LOVE to go to, but your list is WAY too state-heavy.

Check out my MDapps for MD schools that were OK with a low verbal score (7-8). It'll be tough, but you can get into an MD school.

 

[terp720]

okay for clarification, what exactly counts as a state school? I want to apply broadly as possible and maximize my chances of getting in.

MSAR will tell you whether it is public or private

 

[mrh125]

University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati.

I took out creighton because they require humanities letters of recommendations and I don't have one. Any recommendations of what to cut off? This list comes from MSAR, us news and LizzyM data.



... You must've read something wrong. The bolded are all schools that take less than 50% OOS

Marshall - Can't apply unless you are resident of WV or a state that touches WV.
NE Ohio Med - only takes ohio residents, mostly via BS/MD

wait what? I calculated out of state students accepted and got totally diff numbers off the msar that was just released. starting with university of new mexico which shows
74.20%.

 

[mrh125]

MSAR will tell you whether it is public or private

and public ones are automatically state schools? I don't get it.

 

[WillburCobb]

okay for clarification, what exactly counts as a state school? I want to apply broadly as possible and maximize my chances of getting in.

State schools receive the majority of their funding from the state govt. There are some exceptions like VCU and EVMS which receive a bit more private funding so they are willing to take more OOS applicants but tend to favor the home state/region

 

[terp720]

wait what? I calculated out of state students accepted and got totally diff numbers off the msar that was just released. starting with university of new mexico which shows
74.20%.

what are you calculating? I'm looking at the MSAR and it shows that 4% of their class is OOS.

 

[chenzt]

wait what? I calculated out of state students accepted and got totally diff numbers off the msar that was just released. starting with university of new mexico which shows
74.20%.

How did you get that number...

 

[chenzt]

and public ones are automatically state schools? I don't get it.

Yes... public = publicly supported = aka the state gov supports it.

Also, we're talking about matriculating numbers, since there isn't many reliable sources of accepted numbers. USNWR costs $30 that most of us probably wasn't willing to shell out.

 

[mrh125]

How did you get that number...

nevermind I just realized I was using number of applicants verified >_<, I should use number interviewed right?

 

[mrh125]

what are you calculating? I'm looking at the MSAR and it shows that 4% of their class is OOS.

i was using apps verified, i should be using interviewed right?

 

[DK2014]

Take out the schools in red: I would state the reasons why you have little to no shot at these schools, but that would take too much time. Most of it is due to you having lower stats, low OOS %'s, no ties to the area, or absurdly high tuition costs.

University of new mexico, Marshall, Central michigan, university of missouri-kansas, Frank H. netter, University of s. carolina greenville, florida state, university of arkansas, n.e. ohio medical uni, Commonwealth medical school (PA), tennessee, Michigan State, wright state university, boonshoft university of s dakota, cooper medical school of rowan, university of n dakota, university of AZ tucson, Rush, university of s. carolina: columbia, louisiana state N.O., florida atlantic uni, University of Kansas, UC Riverside, Virginia tech, university of oklahoma, oakland university, Virginia commonwealth, Albany, nevada, george washington, indiana school of medicine, medical school of WI, university of illinois, Tulane university, oregon, fsu, jefferson, university of hawaii, college of nebraska, UC Davis, temple, uni of vermont, university of washington, university of kentucky, university of minnesota, medical college of georgia, toledo, chicago-med franklin, buffalo, brown, university of ny upstate medical, state uni of ny downstate ,university of colorado, chapel hill, tufts, uc irvine, and university of cincinnati

 

[terp720]

i was using apps verified, i should be using interviewed right?

ok.. so if you were just looking at how many they interview out of the apps they get for OOS, it would be 3%

 

[AkGrown84]

wait what? I calculated out of state students accepted and got totally diff numbers off the msar that was just released. starting with university of new mexico which shows
74.20%.

Are you looking at IS vs OOS applications? Because I don't think ANY state school has an OOS matriculant percentage over 50%! Most are between 0% and 15ish%. If it says "public" on MSAR, it's a "state" school. There are very few private universities that have heavy regional or state bias, so those are always your best bet when applying out of state.

 

[chenzt]

wait what? I calculated out of state students accepted and got totally diff numbers off the msar that was just released. starting with university of new mexico which shows
74.20%.

what are you calculating? I'm looking at the MSAR and it shows that 4% of their class is OOS.

Ahhh I see, you divided 833/1122... Those are applicants. 74.2% of ppl applying to new mexico are OOS. But only 4 out of their class of 100 are OOS. So the real percentage is 4%.

Personally, I think you should use matriculating numbers.

 

[mrh125]

Are you looking at IS vs OOS applications? Because I don't think ANY state school has an OOS matriculant percentage over 50%! Most are between 0% and 15ish%. If it says "public" on MSAR, it's a "state" school. There are very few private universities that have heavy regional or state bias, so those are always your best bet when applying out of state.

ok, should i be applying to the schools closer to 15% OOS? I have a lot less options than I thought I did =/ based off of this and I should specifically search for private schools im guessing

 

[DK2014]

ok, should i be applying to the schools closer to 15% OOS? I have a lot less options than I thought I did =/ based off of this.

No, you should be applying to schools closer to 20%.

 

[AkGrown84]

ok.. so if you were just looking at how many they interview out of the apps they get for OOS, it would be 3%

In my opinion, you should look at two things when considering an OOS public school: percentage of OOS applicants interviewed, and then percentage of OOS accepted or matriculated. Many times, it's hard to get an interview at those schools, and just as hard to get an acceptance.

Example: U of Kansas had somewhere around 4,000 OOS applicants last year. They interviewed 135, accepted 29, and 14 matriculated. Their IS stats are much more favorable and they accept roughly half of their IS interviewees.

 

[terp720]

Are you looking at IS vs OOS applications? Because I don't think ANY state school has an OOS matriculant percentage over 50%! Most are between 0% and 15ish%. If it says "public" on MSAR, it's a "state" school. There are very few private universities that have heavy regional or state bias, so those are always your best bet when applying out of state.

UVA and UVM have high OOS percentages for their class! but yeah.. not common

anyway @mrh125 you want to be looking at least at the % of their class that is OOS or the % of OOS that they interview (from their total OOS applicants), not just how many of their applicants are OOS.
but MSAR doesn't tell you OOS acceptances, which I think would be ideal

 

[AkGrown84]

No, you should be applying to schools closer to 20%.

Agreed.

 

[terp720]

In my opinion, you should look at two things when considering an OOS public school: percentage of OOS applicants interviewed, and then percentage of OOS accepted or matriculated. Many times, it's hard to get an interview at those schools, and just as hard to get an acceptance.

Example: U of Kansas had somewhere around 4,000 OOS applicants last year. They interviewed 135, accepted 29, and 14 matriculated. Their IS stats are much more favorable and they accept roughly half of their IS interviewees.

yes, these are the two numbers I gave him

 

[AkGrown84]

yes, these are the two numbers I gave him

Yeah....I'm slow on my phone, and by the time I had it all typed up and hit enter, there was a half dozen new posts! Darn slow fingers!

 

[chenzt]

Agreed.

20% OOS? that still seems really not worth the effort...

 

[terp720]

Yeah....I'm slow on my phone, and by the time I had it all typed up and hit enter, there was a half dozen new posts! Darn slow fingers!

lol it's okay.. we said the same thing:
"percentage of OOS applicants interviewed, and then percentage of OOS accepted or matriculated."
" the % of their class that is OOS or the % of OOS that they interview (from their total OOS applicants), not just how many of their applicants are OOS.
but MSAR doesn't tell you OOS acceptances, which I think would be ideal"

 

[AkGrown84]

20% OOS? that still seems really not worth the effort...

It's not...unless you really have a compelling reason for that specific school. That's why you whittle the list down to a couple public schools and the rest are private.

 

[mrh125]

20% OOS? that still seems really not worth the effort...

20% seems decent. At this point im willing to take a few hits if it gives me more of a chance of getting in.

 

[WillburCobb]

20% OOS? that still seems really not worth the effort...

Agree 100% because this can still be misleading. UND for example I've seen being listed, at times, as accepting over 20% OOS (where as last year it was closer to 15%). However, this number will change as a function of how many OOS students matriculate into the 7 INMED spots and how many OOS students who are former long term ND residents (i.e., graduated from an ND high school) matriculate into the IS spots (the 11 MN/WICHE OOS spots are constant). This % can serve as a guide, but you need to be aware of the population that makes-up the % for it to really have a useful purpose.

 

[DK2014]

20% seems decent. At this point im willing to take a few hits if it gives me more of a chance of getting in.

20% is the lowest I'd go. Also, I suggest reading the mission statements for a lot of the schools you have on your list... for example, unless if you grew up in the inland empire, don't bother with riverside. Your mcat will hold you back from california schools, unless if you are URM.

Florida schools also have very high OOS tuition rates. You really need to do more research about your schools.

 

[mrh125]

20% is the lowest I'd go. Also, I suggest reading the mission statements for a lot of the schools you have on your list... for example, unless if you grew up in the inland empire, don't bother with riverside. Your mcat will hold you back from california schools, unless if you are URM.

Florida schools also have very high OOS tuition rates. You really need to do more research about your schools.

What on earth is the inland empire? 😛 Also I don't care about prices id pay anything for a us md school