Rising M2's are studying for Step 1 already?

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I know it's probably paranoia talking, but I've been seeing a disturbing number of people (on here/at my school) preparing for boards during the M1/M2 summer. What kind of study plan are you guys using? My school is systems based, so we've probably covered about half of the Step 1 content already in M1, so I DO have background for stuff I could be studying/reviewing, but I don't know if I am nuts to be trying to do so...

...On the other hand, I don't want to be looking back at the end of M2 kicking myself in the face that I didn't use my time wisely to review the M1 stuff that seems brand new again
 
Your classmates will soon learn what a waste of time it is and find something better to do like join a kickball league or go out trolling for girls at the club.

Unless you really struggled with something in particular in first year, I'd pretty much avoid doing any "studying" this summer. If you absolutely feel compelled to do SOMETHING, maybe re-read BRS Physiology, but that's about it. Enjoy your summer, recharge, and come back in August ready to dominate second year. Even if your curriculum is a little different, much of what's important for the boards will be learned during year 2. The best Step 1 prep I did was busting my ass the first two years (with a break during the summer) so when dedicated studying time came, it truly was a "review."
 
Your classmates will soon learn what a waste of time it is and find something better to do like join a kickball league or go out trolling for girls at the club.

Unless you really struggled with something in particular in first year, I'd pretty much avoid doing any "studying" this summer. If you absolutely feel compelled to do SOMETHING, maybe re-read BRS Physiology, but that's about it. Enjoy your summer, recharge, and come back in August ready to dominate second year. Even if your curriculum is a little different, much of what's important for the boards will be learned during year 2. The best Step 1 prep I did was busting my ass the first two years (with a break during the summer) so when dedicated studying time came, it truly was a "review."
I agree. Anything you review now you're probably going to forget by Step1 anyways. Not to mention you're going to need all of your energy for MS2, so getting burned out halfway through because you were reviewing during the summer won't be very good. That will hurt you too, because MS2 will be higher yield no matter what.
 
It was supremely frustrating to see classmates of mine studying throughout the yr for step 1. It is completely unnecessary unless you slacked off 1st yr. We were given 5 wks at my school to prepare for Step 1 and that is MORE than enough time. It is so easy to burn out I would be very cautious about how far in advance you start studying.
 
We finish second year in December, so I'm going to spend a little time this summer going back through and annotating the biochem sections of first aid and reviewing a bit of path/micro, but we're talking like 10 hours throughout the whole summer.
 
I did poorly my first year. my average for the entire year was a 77. My first semester of gross and phys killed me, but i improved somewhat during the 2nd semester. my question is should i be reviewing these subjects right now during this summer or not and if so any books that are highly recommended? I'm not a great test taker and feel compelled to study soemthing since my grades werent so hot. some of my classmates are studying for step 1 or m2 year believe it or not.
 
I think as a MAXIMUM you could annotate the review books as you do the subjects in classes. I agree that studying between M1/M2 is going to be a waste. At best, your recall prior to step 1 will be "Oh hey I remember this figure" as opposed to the concept/point of the figure.

I've been annotating, and for the most part its eased any anxiety I have about discrepanices between my lecture exams and the USMLE. It's also nice to see the same material presented different ways.

Then again, the "studying step 1 between m1/m2'ers" are probably also people that took multiple MCAT classes and/or prestudied for med school...
 
This thread is full of people who have to justify other peoples behavior so they can sleep at night. Who cares what people are doing, worry about yourself godammit...

And to the people saying its impossible to study during summer, you're flat wrong. 95% of learning in the first 2 years is on your own....


My biggest pet peeve is people who are constantly worrying about what others do...**** man :laugh::laugh:
 
To OP...if you wanna study, go study. If you don't, don't. It's as simple as that. Studying because everyone else is studying all summer is stupid...and if you're in med school you know better than to be a blind sheep and follow everyone lol.

I have 15 weeks off between MS1/MS2. Most people in my class are doing SOMETHING because thats far too long to not look at anything medical.
 
I know it's probably paranoia talking, but I've been seeing a disturbing number of people (on here/at my school) preparing for boards during the M1/M2 summer. What kind of study plan are you guys using? My school is systems based, so we've probably covered about half of the Step 1 content already in M1, so I DO have background for stuff I could be studying/reviewing, but I don't know if I am nuts to be trying to do so...

...On the other hand, I don't want to be looking back at the end of M2 kicking myself in the face that I didn't use my time wisely to review the M1 stuff that seems brand new again

What else are you doing this summer? If you are like me and have 15 weeks off...maybe try something like GunnerTraining to review MS1 stuff. It only takes like 1 hour a day and keeps your fresh on the important stuff.

DO NOT cancel vacation or alter plans to study though, things just worked out this way for me. I have A LOT of free time so I can spend an hour or 2 studying.
 
Why do you even care??

I dont get why its any of your business or concern if you classmates are studying.

Do your own thing man.

Agree. Until you can truly learn to not give a **** about what other people doing/saying, you'll never reach your potential (100% srs)
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with studying during the summer, but as for reviewing... for most people the first year topics are what, 10% tops of the USMLE? Reviewing biochem / anatomy / phys is not a very good use of your time.

I don't remember exactly what I did but I'm pretty sure I preread portions of Robbins. I didn't retain hardly anything but it was just nice to see what I would be going over in the following year.
 
Retaining knowledge is 99% about repetition. Repetition repetition repetition. Study early and at a reasonable pace, and you'll get a lot more repetitions and retain more for test-day. It may be shocking, but you can have a life even if you do board review.

Anecdotes aren't the same as facts, but everyone I can think of who scored >250 started studying >6 months out. There is a point of diminishing returns, but I don't know where that starts. You're also going by a systems based curriculum, so you won't see anything from this year before you start reviewing for Step 1.

It's always better to be overprepared than underprepared.
 
Don't study this summer. Do research or clinical work or volunteer work....anything but study. Everybody I know that scored big (think >250) studying more than 3 mos but not more than 5 prior to the exam. Pouring you energy and time into something interesting this summer will make you a far more attractive residency candidate than the marginal benefit of studying. Plus, you won't go insane. If you feel that your school prepares people for Step 1 well, then there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to do 6 mos of studying.
 
Even if your curriculum is a little different, much of what's important for the boards will be learned during year 2.

I guess if your curriculum is only "a little different" than traditional, then this is true, but for those of us with an integrated systems based curriculum, it is flat out wrong. I have seen everything (phys, path, etc.) for neuro, musculoskeletal, cardio, pulmonary, renal, etc. already and won't see it again second year; however, I'm pretty sure those are very important topics.

Retaining knowledge is 99% about repetition. Repetition repetition repetition. Study early and at a reasonable pace, and you'll get a lot more repetitions and retain more for test-day. It may be shocking, but you can have a life even if you do board review.

👍 I love all these people talking about not getting burnt out by reviewing/studying over the summer, but I doubt 1-2 hours of reviewing will lead to burn out. If you can't handle 1-2 hours a day of doing something over the summer, how the hell are you going to handle 80+ hours of work/wk throughout residency? If you're studying 10-12 hours/day on the other hand, then you probably are running the risk of burnout.
 
I honestly feel like its just too far in advance and without any sort of structure I wont get anything productive done but waste my time and get depressed I don't remember biochemistry. I bought first aid though, but yeahh... wont be opening that until the start of second year. I can understand where some people are coming from wanting to get a head start but I just dont get how you have the motivation/focus/direction to do so considering how FAR away the test is. Then again I'm one of those last minute studier types.. never was in college but it turned out all of ms1 that was me.
 
My biggest pet peeve is people who are constantly worrying about what others do...**** man :laugh::laugh:
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Yea, you may not burn out with 1 to 2 hours a day, but you probably won't learn much of anything either. This is also ignoring the fact that the vast majority of first year stuff on Step 1 is pretty friggin easy or is just rote memorization for later on. Neither of which necessitate much of your summer being occupied with trying to study for something you have no real idea of the endpoints with.
 
Yea, you may not burn out with 1 to 2 hours a day, but you probably won't learn much of anything either. This is also ignoring the fact that the vast majority of first year stuff on Step 1 is pretty friggin easy or is just rote memorization for later on. Neither of which necessitate much of your summer being occupied with trying to study for something you have no real idea of the endpoints with.

OP is on a systems based curriculum and has already done pathophys on half of the systems.
 
If you feel that your school prepares people for Step 1 well, then there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to do 6 mos of studying.

Do you also only study for class exams like 2-3 days before? No sarcasm, legitimately curious
 
👍 I love all these people talking about not getting burnt out by reviewing/studying over the summer, but I doubt 1-2 hours of reviewing will lead to burn out. If you can't handle 1-2 hours a day of doing something over the summer, how the hell are you going to handle 80+ hours of work/wk throughout residency? If you're studying 10-12 hours/day on the other hand, then you probably are running the risk of burnout.

EDIT: I'm not so much studying to ace Step 1...rather I don't want to be rusty. I have 16 weeks off dude. The brain works much like a muscle in terms of getting used to endurance. You can't be lazy for 16 weeks then expect to study 8 hours a day all of a sudden. Keep it "in shape" over the summer and you'll be glad when school starts. You wouldn't want your starting running back to play his first game without practicing all summer. Maybe the analogy is laughable to you guys, but for me it applies. Therefore I don't care lol

Exactly.

Here was my day today....

-Slept in til 9
-Went for a 4 mile run
-Played golf with friends
-Watched a baseball game
-Trained legs at the gym
-Reviewed micro for 3 hour in first aid and GT (we did micro MS1)
-Currently watching another baseball game, about to go out with some friends for beers later.

OMG ^^^ SOUNDS LIKE SUCH A MISERABLE DAY!!! 😉

brb thinking that if you spend a tiny bit of time studying you're gonna burn out and kill yourself.


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I agree with UAAWolf, wtf would you care about what others do? And who are we to decide and tell others it's a waste of time? Yea, over the M1/M2 summer, I just went over First Aid and the sections we already covered in M1 which was like 11/17 sections. I skipped embryo b/c it's frickin boring and I won't remember most of it even if I do study it. Didn't take me too long. I pretty much said if all my friends got a regular 9-5 job, I can study for that much. Now I'm done with those 11 sections and I got 2 weeks remaining to do whatever I want. 🙂
 
I agree with UAAWolf, wtf would you care about what others do? And who are we to decide and tell others it's a waste of time? Yea, over the M1/M2 summer, I just went over First Aid and the sections we already covered in M1 which was like 11/17 sections. I skipped embryo b/c it's frickin boring and I won't remember most of it even if I do study it. Didn't take me too long. I pretty much said if all my friends got a regular 9-5 job, I can study for that much. Now I'm done with those 11 sections and I got 2 weeks remaining to do whatever I want. 🙂

And maybe I'm really stupid or something, but I definitely forgot some of the viruses/bacteria in micro. Maybe all these guys are just smarter than me lol. A few extra reps on that stuff won't hurt.

And LOL @ embryo comment...most boring class ever
 
I guess if your curriculum is only "a little different" than traditional, then this is true, but for those of us with an integrated systems based curriculum, it is flat out wrong. I have seen everything (phys, path, etc.) for neuro, musculoskeletal, cardio, pulmonary, renal, etc. already and won't see it again second year; however, I'm pretty sure those are very important topics.

What is it that most schools cover during MS2 that puts integrated schools at a disadvantage in terms of Step 1 studying?
 
eh, I've only really skimmed through all the replies.
I'm in between M1 and M2. I have a 4 week clinical preceptorship scheduled for July. Other than that, I'm playing with my kids all summer.

That said, I am reviewing 1st year stuff all summer using Gunner Training, and starting to look at M2 info (which I have a strong background in, so what I'm doing is not new to me). Keeping up with flashcards is hardly something that will burn me out. I skip a day or two sometimes, but I am keeping up with the basic schedule I set up at the beginning of the summer. I don't consider it studying for Step 1 though, more just review to keep it fresh, and because I actually want to know all of this stuff long-term (well except maybe some of the biochem lol)

To each his/her own. Don't worry about what other students are doing, just do what you think will work for you. I really doubt it will make a difference in board scores or lifetime achievement or happiness 😉
 
What is it that most schools cover during MS2 that puts integrated schools at a disadvantage in terms of Step 1 studying?

It's not that integrated curriculums put students at a disadvantage. It's just that traditional curriculums don't cover path (a very high yield topic) until second year, which is why MS2 is so strongly emphasized by those in a traditionally formatted curriculum. It's also why those same people say studying/reviewing MS1 stuff over the summer is a waste of time. Don't worry, there's not some big over arching topic that gets left out of integrated curriculums.
 
EDIT: I'm not so much studying to ace Step 1...

Not that acing step-I as a potential side effect of reviewing over the summer would be such a bad thing...Even if a huge percentage of it doesn't stick, every concept or disease or whatever that you do remember is one less thing to have to relearn when step-I rolls around. And doing a program like GT (like I know UAAWolf is) will ensure you keep reviewing things often enough to keep it in long-term memory over second year.

Here was my day today....

-Slept in til 9
-Went for a 4 mile run
-Played golf with friends
-Watched a baseball game
-Trained legs at the gym
-Reviewed micro for 3 hour in first aid and GT (we did micro MS1)
-Currently watching another baseball game, about to go out with some friends for beers later.

OMG ^^^ SOUNDS LIKE SUCH A MISERABLE DAY!!! 😉

brb thinking that if you spend a tiny bit of time studying you're gonna burn out and kill yourself.

Sounds like a rough day. I've been doing my GT while watching baseball (not sure if you are). There's so many breaks in the action that it's easy focus on studying until something actually happens (~4-5 times/game).
 
Even if your curriculum is a little different, much of what's important for the boards will be learned during year 2.

This is not true. In a systems-based curriculum, both years are high yield. If you do the respiratory system in first year, you're not going to do the respiratory system again in second year. If you do cardiology in first year, you're not going to do cardiology again in second year.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with studying during the summer, but as for reviewing... for most people the first year topics are what, 10% tops of the USMLE? Reviewing biochem / anatomy / phys is not a very good use of your time.

Re-read the OP. The poster is on a systems curriculum.
 
Yea, you may not burn out with 1 to 2 hours a day, but you probably won't learn much of anything either. This is also ignoring the fact that the vast majority of first year stuff on Step 1 is pretty friggin easy or is just rote memorization for later on. Neither of which necessitate much of your summer being occupied with trying to study for something you have no real idea of the endpoints with.

People shouldn't be allowed to reply to a post without reading the OP.
 
So do most "systems-based" programs do it all in one shot? My curriculum is systems-based, but still split into first and second year material. So we do cardiovascular system 1st year, covering all the anatomy/embryo/histo, physiology, some basic genetics, applicable biochem, etc. Then second year we do cardiovascular again, with path, pharm, etc. I thought that was a typical systems-based curriculum but obviously I was very wrong!
 
Sounds like a rough day. I've been doing my GT while watching baseball (not sure if you are). There's so many breaks in the action that it's easy focus on studying until something actually happens (~4-5 times/game).

Honestly, I'd rather study than subject myself to a baseball game. Sooo boring.
 
So do most "systems-based" programs do it all in one shot? My curriculum is systems-based, but still split into first and second year material. So we do cardiovascular system 1st year, covering all the anatomy/embryo/histo, physiology, some basic genetics, applicable biochem, etc. Then second year we do cardiovascular again, with path, pharm, etc. I thought that was a typical systems-based curriculum but obviously I was very wrong!

Mine is all a one shot deal. When we do the Musculoskeletal section, we study everything there is to know about it, including the path and pharm. When we finish it, that's it. It's done. In that kind of case, I think it's wise to review over the summer before MS2 because you've learned all there is to know about it (or at least, all your school plans to teach you about it)
 
Honestly, I'd rather study than subject myself to a baseball game. Sooo boring.

Have to have some interest in the game, otherwise I completely agree :laugh:
Mariners are in a nice fight for first in the division right now so I'm really into it, however NFL/NCAA football are miles ahead.

Going to MLB games are a blast though
 
Not that acing step-I as a potential side effect of reviewing over the summer would be such a bad thing...Even if a huge percentage of it doesn't stick, every concept or disease or whatever that you do remember is one less thing to have to relearn when step-I rolls around. And doing a program like GT (like I know UAAWolf is) will ensure you keep reviewing things often enough to keep it in long-term memory over second year.

I'm pretty embarrassed to admit some of the stuff I've forgotten from first year haha. The nice thing is, upon review it comes back almost instantly. Like I said, with my learning style I can't put something away for a year without looking at it and then hope to know it great for boards.

I have friends who study like 1-2 hours for a test and rock it. Great for them, but I have to do what works for me...
 
So do most "systems-based" programs do it all in one shot? My curriculum is systems-based, but still split into first and second year material. So we do cardiovascular system 1st year, covering all the anatomy/embryo/histo, physiology, some basic genetics, applicable biochem, etc. Then second year we do cardiovascular again, with path, pharm, etc. I thought that was a typical systems-based curriculum but obviously I was very wrong!

This is why I try to always say my school is an integrated, systems-based curriculum, because there are different ways to organize a systems-based curriculum. I'm not really sure which one is more typical though.

Honestly, I'd rather study than subject myself to a baseball game. Sooo boring.

I used to feel that way too, but last summer I was so bored moving that I gave in and put baseball on since it's the only thing on during the summer.

Mine is all a one shot deal. When we do the Musculoskeletal section, we study everything there is to know about it, including the path and pharm. When we finish it, that's it. It's done. In that kind of case, I think it's wise to review over the summer before MS2 because you've learned all there is to know about it (or at least, all your school plans to teach you about it)

I agree. It's easier to review things than learn new things, so it's much less taxing. You can quickly look over things and reactivate those synaptic connections, so they don't disappear by this time next year when step-I rolls around.

NFL/NCAA football are miles ahead.

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 though NCAA>NFL. I'm glad football season isn't in the spring or I'd fail step-I for sure.

I have friends who study like 1-2 hours for a test and rock it. Great for them, but I have to do what works for me...

Those people suck, you shouldn't be friends with jerks like that. JK. I always wonder how much those people actually retain though. I'm not as good at cramming info into short-term memory, but when I learn something, it sticks pretty well and upon reviewing, it all comes back.
 
A number of my classmates stopped attending classes halfway through the first year and started just prepping for boards.
 
Just want to give a big 👍👍 for doing gunnertraining during the summer between ms1 and 2. It was the only thing I did that summer (besides research and having a good time), and like people said, it isn't too much work and puts you into 2nd year totally on top of your **** from first year and with spaced learning you can actually not forget that stuff over the course of the year. 2nd year is much easier/better if you have that kind of info at the tip of your tongue because it allows you to reason many things out instead of memorize it. Anyways, I'm a big gunnertraining fan and thought it was a huge part of me knocking step one out of the park. I think that the advice to totally check out and not worry about school stuff is fine, but if you are going to study over the summer GT is the way to go.
 
Just want to give a big 👍👍 for doing gunnertraining during the summer between ms1 and 2. It was the only thing I did that summer (besides research and having a good time), and like people said, it isn't too much work and puts you into 2nd year totally on top of your **** from first year and with spaced learning you can actually not forget that stuff over the course of the year. 2nd year is much easier/better if you have that kind of info at the tip of your tongue because it allows you to reason many things out instead of memorize it. Anyways, I'm a big gunnertraining fan and thought it was a huge part of me knocking step one out of the park. I think that the advice to totally check out and not worry about school stuff is fine, but if you are going to study over the summer GT is the way to go.

I saw your step I score/review and it's what got me really interested in trying GT. A week into my 1 month free trial and I am loving it! Thanks for the heads up about this awesome resource.
 
Just want to give a big 👍👍 for doing gunnertraining during the summer between ms1 and 2. It was the only thing I did that summer (besides research and having a good time), and like people said, it isn't too much work and puts you into 2nd year totally on top of your **** from first year and with spaced learning you can actually not forget that stuff over the course of the year. 2nd year is much easier/better if you have that kind of info at the tip of your tongue because it allows you to reason many things out instead of memorize it. Anyways, I'm a big gunnertraining fan and thought it was a huge part of me knocking step one out of the park. I think that the advice to totally check out and not worry about school stuff is fine, but if you are going to study over the summer GT is the way to go.

All I know is it has helped me get micro/biochem crystal clear...and I certainly forgot that stuff right after the final 😀 Hell, ask me an obscure parasite 6 months from now and I'll forget it unless I keep up GT.

Repetition baby
 
There were several gunner types in my class who started studying for Step 1 during MS1.

I studied about 2-2.5 months in total (did some stuff over Xmas break), and I would say the key is not how much you study, but how well you organize and study. 2 months was almost more than enough. If, God forbid, I end up needed to retake Step 1, I know exactly what to study and what not to waste my time on now.
 
This thread is full of people who have to justify other peoples behavior so they can sleep at night. Who cares what people are doing, worry about yourself godammit...

And to the people saying its impossible to study during summer, you're flat wrong. 95% of learning in the first 2 years is on your own....


My biggest pet peeve is people who are constantly worrying about what others do...**** man :laugh::laugh:
I like this guy. 👍
 
why should anybody care what anybody else is studying over the summer? me no understand point of this thread.
 
why should anybody care what anybody else is studying over the summer? me no understand point of this thread.

There are 2 things I don't understand about posts like this: first, why even bother posting something that contributes nothing to the discussion? Second, the holier-than-thou attitude doesn't make any sense. Everybody cares about what other people do to one degree or another (and I would suggest that if you're on this forum, you are here for advice based on...what other people do!). I think the OP is pretty clear that it didn't occur to him to study over the summer, but when he realized other people are, he started to wonder whether he ought to be as well--whether it's a smart thing to do.

I just get super annoyed when people think they are so much better than others because they supposedly don't care what other people think, and I feel bad when people have responses like this to a perfectly reasonable question.
 
I know it's probably paranoia talking, but I've been seeing a disturbing number of people (on here/at my school) preparing for boards during the M1/M2 summer. What kind of study plan are you guys using? My school is systems based, so we've probably covered about half of the Step 1 content already in M1, so I DO have background for stuff I could be studying/reviewing, but I don't know if I am nuts to be trying to do so...​


...On the other hand, I don't want to be looking back at the end of M2 kicking myself in the face that I didn't use my time wisely to review the M1 stuff that seems brand new again

When are you taking Step 1? If you are taking it next summer then you likely will not remember stuff you study this summer anyway.

I would only study if there are important subjects (ex - physio) that you never learned right the 1st time.
 
EDIT: I'm not so much studying to ace Step 1...rather I don't want to be rusty. I have 16 weeks off dude. The brain works much like a muscle in terms of getting used to endurance. You can't be lazy for 16 weeks then expect to study 8 hours a day all of a sudden. Keep it "in shape" over the summer and you'll be glad when school starts. You wouldn't want your starting running back to play his first game without practicing all summer. Maybe the analogy is laughable to you guys, but for me it applies. Therefore I don't care lol

Of course not. But you don't need study 8 hours a day at the beginning of MS2.
 
There are 2 things I don't understand about posts like this: first, why even bother posting something that contributes nothing to the discussion? Second, the holier-than-thou attitude doesn't make any sense. Everybody cares about what other people do to one degree or another (and I would suggest that if you're on this forum, you are here for advice based on...what other people do!). I think the OP is pretty clear that it didn't occur to him to study over the summer, but when he realized other people are, he started to wonder whether he ought to be as well--whether it's a smart thing to do.

I just get super annoyed when people think they are so much better than others because they supposedly don't care what other people think, and I feel bad when people have responses like this to a perfectly reasonable question.

No where in that guys post did he say he was better than anyone..you inferred that. He's just saying people need to mind their own business...and shouldn't care what other people are doing.

I got **** constantly this year because I was the only one (yes only one) who skipped class daily. It got really annoying when people were making fun of me for it, but I didn't care because it worked for me. That's all the guy is saying, chill out....he isn't saying he's better than anyone.
 
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