Robbins Path basis of disease 7th ed?

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i just got a book list for my M1 year next year -- it says Robbins pathologic basis of disease 7th edition. i can only find up to 6th edition online. does 7th edition exist, or does this even matter that much??? thanks for any responses.

 

[eagle26]

If there is a 7th, it hasn't been printed yet. Maybe it's a typo. I wouldn't worry about it. Path is path.

 

[eagle26]

btw, you take pathology during your M1 year? What school? Most, including mine, don't do path until M2.

 

[sundown]

Creighton - they lump biochem, histo, cell bio, and apparently path into a vaguely named "Molecular and Cellular Biology I" class. i figured this was a non issue - i'll just go for the 6th ed. thanks again for the response

 

[ItsGavinC]

6th is the edition we are using here at my dental school, and it is the current version.

 

[southerndoc]

Originally posted by eagle26
btw, you take pathology during your M1 year? What school? Most, including mine, don't do path until M2.

All the PBL schools do path during M-1 and M-2 years. Some traditional schools also do path during their first year.

 

[cmz]

The difference between the 6th and 7th ed is the content. The 6th ed offers A LOT more content than the 7th ed. Think of the 7th ed as a more scaled back version of the 6th (wow, I said the same thing three times).

 

[southerndoc]

Originally posted by cmz
The difference between the 6th and 7th ed is the content. The 6th ed offers A LOT more content than the 7th ed. Think of the 7th ed as a more scaled back version of the 6th (wow, I said the same thing three times).

Are you serious? I guess I should order another 6th ed then (my current 6th has about had it!).

I really loved all the content in Robbins.

We are talking about the full Robbins and not the Basic Path book, right?

 

[firebreather3]

Robbins Basic Pathology (Little/Mini Robbins) is in its 7th Edition.
Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease (Big Robbins) is in its 6th Edition.

Big Robbins is better....

 

[southerndoc]

Originally posted by firebreather3
Robbins Basic Pathology (Little/Mini Robbins) is in its 7th Edition.
Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease (Big Robbins) is in its 6th Edition.

Didn't the OP post about the 7th ed of Pathologic Basis of Disease instead of Basic Path? Maybe I'm hallucinating (again).

 

[DrMom]

I was given a 5th edition of Big Robbins. Do you guys think I can get away without buying a newer one?

 

[cmz]

Well from what I've read (and compared by sheer weight)... yeah... we're talking about the full Robbins, 6th ed... unless there is a full Robbins 7th ed out.. if so, I will kindly remove my foot from my ass... er mouth.

 

[sacrament]

Originally posted by docuw
Both big and baby Robbins are now in their 7th Ed. It isn't out in mass numbers yet. Also, most schools are still sticking to the 6th Ed., until the profs get a chance to look at it I think. I don't think the 6th Ed. is outdated yet though.

B&N search

That link leads to the Baby Robbins. I couldn't find a 7th ed. of Big Robbins on that website; I do not believe it yet exists. (Amazon does not show a 7th ed. either, nor does the publisher's website mention one.)

 

[ItsGavinC]

7th Ed. for Big Robbins does NOT exist at this time.

 

[8744]

Listen to your Uncle Panda...not to mention scads of others on this forum:

Do not blindly go out and buy all the books on the so-called "required list" unless you have a lot of money and don't care about the cost.

While Robbins is a nice book to have and one of the few "required" textbooks that I am not sorry I bought, you will absolutely not need it in first or second year. And probably not in third or fourth. It is a reference book which is absolutely dry reading unless you want to know some specific thing about a disease. In that case, they have maybe eight copies at our library and your's probably has the same. Plus, as was pointed out, it is "online" through your school, you can get it for your PDA, and they even sell a baby Robbins which is small enough to slip in a pocket.

Same with most physiology texts. Like Guyton which is another one I'm glad I bought but have never really needed.

Okay?

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by Panda Bear
While Robbins is a nice book to have and one of the few "required" textbooks that I am not sorry I bought, you will absolutely not need it in first or second year. And probably not in third or fourth. It is a reference book which is absolutely dry reading unless you want to know some specific thing about a disease.

I disagree. There are only 2 books that I truly needed during medical school -- Big Robbins and Netter's. Big Robbins is a dry book, but Path is arguably the most important preclinical subject in med school. Maybe it's just that my school's pathology class was very difficult, and the course director expected a lot out of us, but my Robbins was worn ragged by the end of my 2nd year. It's the only book I had in med school that I actually read cover-to-cover. And I definitely felt very well prepared for clinics, largely because of a solid foundation in pathology.

Sure you can get it online now, but for me there's a big difference between reading a book on a computer and having the book right in front of you. Oh -- and Baby Robbins is a waste of money -- it's just a watered-down version of Big Robbins. I would just say skip the Baby Robbins altogether and just get the real thing.

 

[sacrament]

Originally posted by AJM
I disagree. There are only 2 books that I truly needed during medical school -- Big Robbins and Netter's. Big Robbins is a dry book, but Path is arguably the most important preclinical subject in med school. Maybe it's just that my school's pathology class was very difficult, and the course director expected a lot out of us, but my Robbins was worn ragged by the end of my 2nd year. It's the only book I had in med school that I actually read cover-to-cover. And I definitely felt very well prepared for clinics, largely because of a solid foundation in pathology.

Sure you can get it online now, but for me there's a big difference between reading a book on a computer and having the book right in front of you. Oh -- and Baby Robbins is a waste of money -- it's just a watered-down version of Big Robbins. I would just say skip the Baby Robbins altogether and just get the real thing.

I agree; I read Big Robbins like a demon. (The other two essential books would be an anatomy atlas [although I prefer Rohen's to Netter's] and, I believe, a succinct pharm book. Take this from somebody who bought ALL of the required books and is now kicking himself.)

edit: oh, and a comprehensive histology atlas. Saved me a LOT of time in the lab peering through a microscope.

 

[8744]

I don't want to imply that Robbins is useless, I too, have used mine...but not to the extent that I couldn't just as easily have read it in the library for free.

Also, I don't know anybody who studied for Step 1 using Robbins for pathology. Or Guyton for physiology, for that matter. Everybody uses condensed review books because it is truely impossible to master the contents of a textbook. On the other hand, it is neither inconceivable nor particularly difficult to master the contents of BRS Pathology. I would say that a guy who knows the "Grid Book" inside and out is a pretty knowledgable fellow and will do great on Step 1.

But I am not flaming you guys who "wore out" your Robbins. In fact, I admire you.

I cannot agree more about Netters or some other anatomical atlas. I did wear mine out in the last two years.

Does anybody know of a good "pocket atlas" of the ectopic brain variety?

 

[sacrament]

Originally posted by Panda Bear
Also, I don't know anybody who studied for Step 1 using Robbins for pathology.

There is this ***** who wrote an Amazon.com review (I don't even remember of what book, but it wasn't Big Robbins) who swore that he memorized Big Robbins cover-to-cover ( 🙄 ) and got some ungodly score on Step One, and suggested that anybody who didn't do so was a lazy jackass. I wish it was possible to respond to those reviews... 😡

 

[ENTSteven]

HI there Steven here,

there is no 7th edition, only 6th is the current one.

However when I was a medical student I already have made some pathology notes and available online, and not only path, others as well, which will be helpful to you i hope

medicine for all (all one word) dot com

Feel free to have a look!

Steven

 

[docuw]

Too right. I was getting the Basic Path or whatever that other one is confused with Pathologic Basis of Disease. I called the publisher and they dont even have the 7th Ed. coming. So, rest easy knowing that the 6th Ed. is the one to buy. And, here at Creighton, Robbins is one of those books you will need to buy. The pathology is integrated into MCBI and MCBII, and then into each organ system at an M2. Dr. Hunter teaches almost verbatim from Robbins. First day of school he says "all you have to do to pass boards is memorize Robbins." We had one guy in our class that did (perhaps your favorite Amazon reviewer) - he got a 260.

 

[sjyudits]

I love the big Robbins. In fact I love it so much that I tried reading it cover to cover for boards. I TRIED, I sure did. I heard all that nonsense that memorizing robbins is enough to do well on boards, and I believed it. . .at first.

I had about 10 weeks to study for boards. After three weeks of intensely reading that monster for 12 hours every day (against everyone's advice), I managed to plow through a total of 9 out of the 32 chapters. My brain was totally fried, AND I realized that even big Robbins does not cover a lot of what you need to know for Step 1.

In fact, at the end of those awful 3 weeks, I went back and started studying for boards from scratch, using the review books like most of my wiser classmates were doing. When I got to my pathology week, I read BRS path cover to cover, and MANY of its topics were not even mentioned in Robbins, and let me tell you, even BRS path does not mention 100% of topics that Step 1 might cover.

All in all, I am sadder that I wasted those three weeks reading the first 400 pages of Robbins that I could have used to learn pharm or anatomy better, but wiser, in that I realized that Robbins is that long mostly because of the prose.

Don't make the same mistake I made. I say buy big Robbins to use as a reference book, or (if you med school doesn't give you lecture notes to study from) to use as daily reading for studying during your path course. But whatever you do, DON'T use it to study for boards (except for reference).

 

[dr barb]

Originally posted by ENTSteven


there is no 7th edition, only 6th is the current one.

I just bought the 7th edition from my school bookstore yesterday. It does indeed exist, but as a previous poster remarked, it is a scaled back version. Still large and by no means a "little Robbins," it's probably 3/4 the size of the 6th edition. Since I do not plan on being a pathologist, I'm guessing this version will suffice.

 

[Street Philosopher]

Originally posted by DrMom
I was given a 5th edition of Big Robbins. Do you guys think I can get away without buying a newer one?

this is my question too

 

[docuw]

There is a different text all together. There is Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease and Robbins Basic Pathology. Two different texts. Pathologic Basis of Disease is only in the 6th edition, and there is not 7th planned in the near future according to the publsiher. Basic pathology is a smaller 900 page book in its 7th Ed.

Re: 5th Ed. I had the pocket 5th Ed and the big 6th Ed. I found that when I wanted to use only the pocket version (say at small group), I was getting some misinformation. So I went and bought the pocket ed in 6th as well. My opinion is that this book is one of the most important texts you will buy in the first 2 years other than a Netter's. You should spring for the new edition to keep current on the genetics, epidemiology, etc. Get the 6th Ed.

Good luck!

 

[DrMom]

Thanks!

I'll probably keep my 5th ed & "steal" my study parnter's 6th as necessary. 😉

 

[sacrament]

Originally posted by dr barb
I just bought the 7th edition from my school bookstore yesterday. It does indeed exist, but as a previous poster remarked, it is a scaled back version. Still large and by no means a "little Robbins," it's probably 3/4 the size of the 6th edition. Since I do not plan on being a pathologist, I'm guessing this version will suffice.

The book you are referring to is a different book with a similar name. Although not literally "little," the book you have IS, in fact, the one known as "Little Robbins."

ed: should have kept scrolling, docuw answered this

 

[nuprin]

Originally posted by sacrament
There is this ***** who wrote an Amazon.com review (I don't even remember of what book, but it wasn't Big Robbins) who swore that he memorized Big Robbins cover-to-cover ( 🙄 ) and got some ungodly score on Step One, and suggested that anybody who didn't do so was a lazy jackass. I wish it was possible to respond to those reviews... 😡

does this review sound familiar?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...gy_img_2/002-6038304-2785664?v=glance&s=books

"This is one my pearl for all second year students preparing for the boards: This book is the gold standard for being properly prepared for the Boards. I memorized this book, Ganong's Physiology, Katzung's pharm review, Jawetz's Micro review. I also memorized Lippincot's Biochem, NMS Neuroscience, NMS Genetics. I broke 255 and am now a first year resident at my first choice for neurosurgery (and I only wanted the most prestigous programs).

If you have high aspirations, then you must memorize Robbins' pocket companion also. It is so much more thorough than the BRS and retains some element of succinctness. There are no path questions on the boards that you won't be able to get if you memorize this book from cover to cover.

That is the key. Memorize this book and the others mentioned above and you too can pick where you want to do your residency. "

 

[sacrament]

Originally posted by nuprin
does this review sound familiar?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...gy_img_2/002-6038304-2785664?v=glance&s=books

"This is one my pearl for all second year students preparing for the boards: This book is the gold standard for being properly prepared for the Boards. I memorized this book, Ganong's Physiology, Katzung's pharm review, Jawetz's Micro review. I also memorized Lippincot's Biochem, NMS Neuroscience, NMS Genetics. I broke 255 and am now a first year resident at my first choice for neurosurgery (and I only wanted the most prestigous programs).

If you have high aspirations, then you must memorize Robbins' pocket companion also. It is so much more thorough than the BRS and retains some element of succinctness. There are no path questions on the boards that you won't be able to get if you memorize this book from cover to cover.

That is the key. Memorize this book and the others mentioned above and you too can pick where you want to do your residency. "

I think that's it.

WOW, it's so simple to ace the boards! Just memorize roughly 4500 pages, and you too can get a 255. This guy is a tool.