roosvelt university vs chicago state vs rosalind franklin pharmacy schools

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I have already been accepted to these three schools and i need help in deciding on which one is the best one . i have dug up some information about the ins and the outs of the schools.I need help in deciding.Any information would be helpful specially from currents students perspective ?
i currently live in Chicago .
is Chicago state safe in terms of closing down ? how about Rosalind Franklin quarter system ? what do you guys say about these schools ?
Thank you .

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I would look at accreditation, reputation, price, and location


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The future of Chicago State is up in the air. I wouldn't recommend it because there is a decent chance it might be shut down. The other two schools are very new and expensive.
 
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thank you guys .
ya Chicago state is not the best suited in terms of the location and their future .
is Roosevelt 3 year program well managed ? how about in regards to grading and assessments , which one you think is chill(easily manageable ) ?
or any red flags you guys think should be mentioned about these three schools ?
 
price wise those two are private , ill keep that in mind.
 
Just out of curiosity, why is it possibly being shut down? Because it sucks?

No, but that helps. The university itself is run like a banana republic and is expected to lose regional accreditation. The budget won't last the academic year. And then the lawsuit payouts for retaliation.
 
How did I miss hearing about Chicago State? So there are now SIX pharmacy schools in IL, silly me thinking IL only needs about 2 pharmacy schools (one upstate & one downstate.)

My recommendation, go to UIC or SIUE....if you can't get accepted to either, I would reconsider being a pharmacist. I wouldn't go to a a "new" school. Now I realize every "old" school was once a "new" school, but there are real issues with rotation spots with new schools, and the fact that at best, their reputation is unknown/pending. And new schools tend to be far more expensive than old schools. Technically SIUE is a new school, but it's public and it's tuition is reasonable (well, reasonable when compared to new private schools.)
 
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SIUE is biased against students from northern Illinois. Most of their students are from southern Illinois and to a lesser extent central Illinois. UIC just has a generic Illinois preference.
 
I would go to Midwestern over Chicago State, Roosevelt, or Rosalind Franklin. The students I've encountered from Rosalind Franklin have not been very bright or prepared for rotations.
 
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I would go to Midwestern over Chicago State, Roosevelt, or Rosalind Franklin. The students I've encountered from Rosalind Franklin have not been very bright or prepared for rotations.

I'd agree, while I would still consider it a new school, it's been around for almost 20 years and has a good track record.

The fact that the OP did not mention Midwester, UIC or SIUE leads me to believe he doesn't have the credentials to get accepted at any of those schools.
 
I'd agree, while I would still consider it a new school, it's been around for almost 20 years and has a good track record.

The fact that the OP did not mention Midwester, UIC or SIUE leads me to believe he doesn't have the credentials to get accepted at any of those schools.
Midwestern CCP opened in 1991 - 26 years - older than a lot of students applying and the second oldest school in IL. Midwestern is expensive, so go to UIC if you get in

Agree that OP probably could not get into one of the established schools.
 
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i was accepted to mid western. tuition wise + location from where i live both Midwestern and siue are not a possible choice .
all i hear about Chicago state is horrendous things . someone told me they might be forced to close in the coming year due to the budget impasse going on. What would possibly happen to students if a school forced to close ?
 
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i was accepted to mid western. tuition wise + location from where i live both Midwestern and siue are not a possible choice .
all i hear about Chicago state is horrendous things . someone told me they might be forced to close in the coming year due to the budget impasse going on. What would possibly happen to students if a school forced to close ?

In short, they will be sol. They will be able to transfer to another school, if accepted. They will have to choose someone to maintain their records. More than likely it would be either Northeastern Illinois or UIC. The other public universities in the state are not required to do anything if another public closes. Some of the other smaller, regional universities like Eastern and Western are struggling. The University of Illinois system is doing the best.

Politically, Chicago State is a hot potato. The school has major intrinsic structural issues and no one wants to address them.
 
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In short, they will be sol. They will be able to transfer to another school, if accepted. They will have to choose someone to maintain their records. More than likely it would be either Northeastern Illinois or UIC. The other public universities in the state are not required to do anything if another public closes. Some of the other smaller, regional universities like Eastern and Western are struggling. The University of Illinois system is doing the best.

Politically, Chicago State is a hot potato. The school has major intrinsic structural issues and no one wants to address them.
that is crazy.That is school is definitely isn't the choice for me . i just don't want take that risk .The only thing that attracted me was the more reasonable tuition . how do yo feel about either Rosalind or Roosevelt?
thanks for the response, i appreciate it .
 
that is crazy.That is school is definitely isn't the choice for me . i just don't want take that risk .The only thing that attracted me was the more reasonable tuition . how do yo feel about either Rosalind or Roosevelt?
thanks for the response, i appreciate it .
Chicago state's Pharmacy school isn't closing down anytime soon and I can prove this because my friend who is a student there currently in the PHARMD program told me that they have meetings and they inform them on whats going on. They even told them if anything the school wouldn't close for another 10 years. They plan to stay open as long as possible for many years. Everyone keeps throwing around rumors which are not true. People need to not just believe what they hear.
 
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Chicago state's Pharmacy school isn't closing down anytime soon and I can prove this because my friend who is a student there currently in the PHARMD program told me that they have meetings and they inform them on whats going on. They even told them if anything the school wouldn't close for another 10 years. They plan to stay open as long as possible for many years. Everyone keeps throwing around rumors which are not true. People need to not just believe what they hear.

I'm pretty sure they told the students at that Hawaiian school that they would be fine. That didn't end too well.

Why would the administration admit they are failing? Everyone would stop paying tuition. The school is there to make money so they will do anything to suck in every tuition dollar they can.
 
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Colleges will usually deny they are closing until they are forced to do it. Look at Sweet Briar almost closing and Indiana Tech Law School. If you admit closure is likely people start transferring out or not enrolling and it guarantees you will close that much sooner.
 
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I'm pretty sure they told the students at that Hawaiian school that they would be fine. That didn't end too well.

Why would the administration admit they are failing? Everyone would stop paying tuition. The school is there to make money so they will do anything to suck in every tuition dollar they can.
the pharmacy college is not a part of the undergrad and csu is in the process of bringing in a new president to get things sorted and they will be remodeling this summer.
 
the pharmacy college is not a part of the undergrad and csu is in the process of bringing in a new president to get things sorted and they will be remodeling this summer.

I stand corrected. Btw, I have a bridge I'm looking to sell for cheap. You interested?
 
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The fates of all programs in a colleges are combined. You cannot separate undergrad and grad. They are part of the same school and impact each other. If undergrad goes down in flames, so do you. How did UIC become a major research school? It was with the merger of the medical campus and the circle campus into one school. They were stronger together than separate.

Chicago State U doesn't have the money to do any remodeling. They are struggling to pay for routine maintenance. The problems of the institution are so great; I don't know if one person can change it.
 
I guess in a way they do impact one another (mainly in reputation), but technically are two separate entities. When the undergrad program can borrow money from the professional program just to make it through the semester, it's a good thing there are separate accounts. The professional program is funded by student loans, corporate donations, etc versus the rest of the school which depends almost solely on state funding, and when the governor hasn't passed a budget for over two years, well....

A lot of the issues can be solved simply. Like making sure janitors aren't getting 75K salaries. and having a more reasonable student:teacher ratio. too many people were on payroll to do absolutely nothing.
 
Latest news in this sad saga is that the interim Dean of the college of pharmacy at CSU was skimming money from snpha for personal gain.
 
hello
I have already been accepted to these three schools and i need help in deciding on which one is the best one . i have dug up some information about the ins and the outs of the schools.I need help in deciding.Any information would be helpful specially from currents students perspective ?
i currently live in Chicago .
is Chicago state safe in terms of closing down ? how about Rosalind Franklin quarter system ? what do you guys say about these schools ?
Thank you .

ALWAYS CHOOSE ANY SCHOOL OVER CHICAGO STATE COLLEGE OF PHARMACY.

IF YOU HAVE FAILED A CLASS IN A PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL BEFORE: At all cost stay away from CSU COP: They make a note of you and will plan to fail you in one of the DMTM classes in the third year. (Mind you, they need money. This is because they know if you go to the courts they look at academic history, so if they fail someone like that it just corroborates the past; sad, but some of these people are very evil people. The DMTM classes are essay questions and allow the professors to grade how they want).

AFRICANS (who speak like Africans) should steer clear of Chicago State University COP:

1. The people in administration do not like Africans and would not do anything to help if an African is being screwed up by a Professor (African in trouble? Snooze…. snore, waste their time and scam them in tuition).

2. Schedule an appointment to meet with one of the Deans or DMTM Professors and they will see another student who just walked in over you.

3. When one of the Dean’s of the COP sees a group of AFRICAN students and sees the need to tell them “We are happy to have you all here”; It is because he or she knows how badly they treat AFRICANS and hence sees the need to say that(damage control).

4. THE CHANCE OF YOU NOT GRADUATING, OVERPAYING AND BEING IN GREATER DEBT IS GREATER IF YOU ARE AFRICAN.

5. All the students who are usually failed in their DMTM classes are AFRICANS; and they are almost always failed at grades like a 69. Something. For a non-African to be failed they will have to have a really low D.

Eg: a) African girl who was being screwed up by DMTM I Professors (3times). They stuck it to her till it pierced her eyes and made her blind (4 +years flushed down the toilet, no degree, overpaid by over $30,000; yes, she was smarter than many of the students who were passed. Just unfortunately met some DMTM professors who screwed her up. Whether out of sheer jealousy or the hate entrenched in their hearts none can tell). Every student or former student knows someone who had a low or mid D and was non-African who was passed in DMTM; They pass students based on cronyism. If even this is what fate had for her, they could have made it a faster sad end by just letting her retake the exam the second time she took the class since it was a weird enough situation and end it at that. They kept her coming and coming so they could make money off her (Poor girl ignored the warning of loved ones not to return because she was in deep student loan debt). And yes, all three Deans knew about it!

When a student wonders why students supposed to be on rotations are not on rotations and those who are not qualified are on rotations, it just goes to prove the assertion that they pass based on favoritism. That is being “fair across the board” alright. Ahem!
b) African boy was told to retake 30 hours of undergraduate classes after being dismissed and reapply for readmission. Took 30 hours and was not readmitted when they almost always admit everyone in that situation back.

c)African girl who was deducted 10 points off her exam when she spoke up that a professor was always standing over hear head during exams (She was actually going to be deducted 20 points off but had a faculty member go and plead with the professor, so she was deducted 10 points off instead). Aint that something?

d) African boy and non-African friends send picture of past exams to someone. Only African boy dismissed.

SOME OF THE PROFESSORS MAY HAVE THEIR WIRES SCREWED IN THEIR HEADS AND FEIGNING NORMAL. Nothing can explain what some of them do. Yes, Africans, they will accept you to the school because the law prohibits discrimination and they need you to support their claim of diversity. This diversity is so overrated; it would make you an adversary!

Who should go to CSU COP?
Asians (Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc..) although I personally don’t recommend to anyone.: You have professors in the academic standing committee, and coordinating DMTM and in administration who will vouch for you.
African AMERICANS (The Dean has your back): Will probably get them to throw out a question or two out for you if you have to be dismissed so you are not. Also, you have your PEOPLE coordinating or facilitating the DMTM classes; they could pass you even if your grade is so far from a pass. And yes, this really happens.
Arabs, Caribbean’s, Mexicans
Caucasians:
In general, they just do not mess with them, because they know they will take them on.

GENERAL WARNING TO ALL AND SUNDRY
1. Chicago State is not CHEAP/affordable: You will end up overpaying; they may not deliver on their promise of in-state tuition. Remediation (about half the class or more will have to remediate at some point in time= $6,000 per summer school).

2.Too many grievances are filed in this school and result in nothing being done internally; professors on the committee side with their colleagues since they see it as their career. What are the sutdents paying for this crappy treatment and education?

2.Grieving about a class to the Chairman of the department is utter waste of your time. Go only to be told about the prerogatives of the professor to grade and asked if you were the only one who was treated like that.

3. Rudeness trickles down from COP administration to the professors.

4. Do your research before committing to this school; if anything, overlook this school when choosing schools on PHARMCAS (Save yourself the stress; pharmacy school is already stressful on its own. You don’t need all the other crap that comes with this school).

5. Word on the curb is that the professors may actually be able to manipulate things in the exam taking system.

6. Another conspiracy theory, is that the professors can actually see who wrote the evaluations about them in their electronic system (Write a bad eval and everything goes downhill for you from that point onwards).Yikes!

7. The professors who fail students are maintained because they are their money-makers.

CSU COP is BAD BUSINESS!!! Your aim of a six-figure salary could turn into a six-figure debt with no degree. Might as well gamble your tuition in a casino (safer bet)!
 
Chicago state's Pharmacy school isn't closing down anytime soon and I can prove this because my friend who is a student there currently in the PHARMD program told me that they have meetings and they inform them on whats going on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, as has already been mentioned, that is EXACTLY the same thing HCOP students were told the week before their school closed down. Search the history and you can find the long, sad thread on it.


I'm probably missing the obvious, but what is DMTM (diabetes medication therapy management?)

Remediation (about half the class or more will have to remediate at some point in time= $6,000 per summer school).

If true, that is reason enough not to go there. It shows that either the teaching there is abysmal, or the school is accepting students who aren't qualified to do the courseload. Either way, people should take their money and run from such a school
 
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6. Another conspiracy theory, is that the professors can actually see who wrote the evaluations about them in their electronic system (Write a bad eval and everything goes downhill for you from that point onwards).Yikes!

Students at every school think that is the case.

We can't see who wrote what. (Really) What we can see is WHAT THEY WROTE...and some of these missives are so detailed (complete descriptions of encounters, specific grades earned on assessments, and great detail about past grievances that weren't satisfactorily addressed in the eyes of the student) that it is incredibly easy to determine who wrote them. I don't let negative comments bother me- they usually flummox me more than anything else. I can't say the same for all other faculty.
 
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hello
I have already been accepted to these three schools and i need help in deciding on which one is the best one . i have dug up some information about the ins and the outs of the schools.I need help in deciding.Any information would be helpful specially from currents students perspective ?
i currently live in Chicago .
is Chicago state safe in terms of closing down ? how about Rosalind Franklin quarter system ? what do you guys say about these schools ?
Thank you .

I toured both RF and Roosvelt. I was accepted to both. I did not go to either.

Why?

Roosvelt is a three year program which is attractive. They have a day care on campus as they target the single mother demographic (which i suspect the federal government loves) (no cafeteria, food vender comes in sometimes) they require every student to have a Apple computer product to use for class which I saw as needlessly expensive and a turn off. Finally when you look at other three year programs nearby their cost is WAY too high. LECOM, another three year program in Erie, PA is around 26,000 USD while Roosevelt is 47,000 USD? I believe LECOM requires a uniform (suit and tie) which is a negative. The Roosvelt "campus" is in the middle of a parking lot in suburban Chicago. The building is small and ugly. One good thing is the interview system was the best one I was involved with (multiple mini .interviews with multiple faculty and questions). I did 17 pharmacy school interviews so I am somewhat of an expert on them.

RF is VERY expensive and a four year program. Very nice falculites and they said they use real human actors for pharamcy acting. Also they stressed "inter professionalism" with their MD program to differentiate. Very nice cafe and they even give you a free meal. This school underwhelmed me with their faculty and their emphasis on how marijuana will be huge for pharmacy when in reality it will probably not do much for the industry. The campus gym is lacking. The campus is north of Chicago near a pretty dangerous area. Better choice than Roosvelt. Finally at RF they measure your body for white coat measurements and also do jeopardy. I am a adult. I came here to interview not play immature games based on popular television shows. Disrespectful of my time.

I strongly recommend against attending either of these schools based on value and price.
 
Students at every school think that is the case.

We can't see who wrote what. (Really) What we can see is WHAT THEY WROTE...and some of these missives are so detailed (complete descriptions of encounters, specific grades earned on assessments, and great detail about past grievances that weren't satisfactorily addressed in the eyes of the student) that it is incredibly easy to determine who wrote them. I don't let negative comments bother me- they usually flummox me more than anything else. I can't say the same for all other faculty.
Students at every school think that is the case.

We can't see who wrote what. (Really) What we can see is WHAT THEY WROTE...and some of these missives are so detailed (complete descriptions of encounters, specific grades earned on assessments, and great detail about past grievances that weren't satisfactorily addressed in the eyes of the student) that it is incredibly easy to determine who wrote them. I don't let negative comments bother me- they usually flummox me more than anything else. I can't say the same for all other faculty.

This must be one of the con artist faculty of Chicago State COP posting. Good one there!You sure are good at putting up a good show.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, as has already been mentioned, that is EXACTLY the same thing HCOP students were told the week before their school closed down. Search the history and you can find the long, sad thread on it.



I'm probably missing the obvious, but what is DMTM (diabetes medication therapy management?)



If true, that is reason enough not to go there. It shows that either the teaching there is abysmal, or the school is accepting students who aren't qualified to do the courseload. Either way, people should take their money and run from such a school

DMTM is a third year class core class at CSU COP (It is an elective in most pharmacy schools). It is an advanced educational scam (Scamology 301) strategically positioned to swindle students who do not have a voice. They claim it prepares people for the board exams. Ask any student who has taken the board exam recently, and if they are honest with you, they will tell you it has no relevance to the boards. Here is why it is a fraudulent scheme in the name of education:

a) A student at a 69. something reviewed his exam and saw 9 points were not allocated to him (This was well enough points to get him to pass the class), when he pointed it out to the course coordinator(s) they told him they will not give him the points because he stated in his regrade request how many points he deserved back so the boy ended up with a D. If you have a D in DMTM and happen to have another D in another class, you would have to sit out and come and take the class in the fall(For DMTM 1) or Spring(For DMTM 2) of the next year. Total waste of time!

b)DMTM 1 has two exams. In one semester, students were allowed to review their first exam which was two hours long in a 1 hour review session. For the final exams which was 3 hours long some students went in to review their exams and did not even know they only had 30 minutes to review the exam. This was done so that students will not have enough time to review the exam. If your scenario was like the student describe above, it would not be enough time to find out all the errors. Viola, you will end up with a D and if you happen to have a D in another class there is their money and the waste of the students precious time!

ANY CHANGES TO HOW THEY START TREATING PEOPLE IS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX TO GET THEIR EVER DWINDLING ENROLLMENT UP! Schools have deadlines the year before the next class come in (And have 200+ students). If you are accepting applications all through June and supplemental through August of the the year the class starts (to get 64 students) it tells a lot.
 
DMTM is a third year class core class at CSU COP (It is an elective in most pharmacy schools). It is an advanced educational scam (Scamology 301) strategically positioned to swindle students who do not have a voice. They claim it prepares people for the board exams. Ask any student who has taken the board exam recently, and if they are honest with you, they will tell you it has no relevance to the boards. Here is why it is a fraudulent scheme in the name of education:

a) A student at a 69. something reviewed his exam and saw 9 points were not allocated to him (This was well enough points to get him to pass the class), when he pointed it out to the course coordinator(s) they told him they will not give him the points because he stated in his regrade request how many points he deserved back so the boy ended up with a D. If you have a D in DMTM and happen to have another D in another class, you would have to sit out and come and take the class in the fall(For DMTM 1) or Spring(For DMTM 2) of the next year. Total waste of time!

b)DMTM 1 has two exams. In one semester, students were allowed to review their first exam which was two hours long in a 1 hour review session. For the final exams which was 3 hours long some students went in to review their exams and did not even know they only had 30 minutes to review the exam. This was done so that students will not have enough time to review the exam. If your scenario was like the student describe above, it would not be enough time to find out all the errors. Viola, you will end up with a D and if you happen to have a D in another class there is their money and the waste of the students precious time!

ANY CHANGES TO HOW THEY START TREATING PEOPLE IS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX TO GET THEIR EVER DWINDLING ENROLLMENT UP! Schools have deadlines the year before the next class come in (And have 200+ students). If you are accepting applications all through June and supplemental through August of the the year the class starts (to get 64 students) it tells a lot.

You kinda sound like a crazy person a bit...
 
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thank you guys .
ya Chicago state is not the best suited in terms of the location and their future .
is Roosevelt 3 year program well managed ? how about in regards to grading and assessments , which one you think is chill(easily manageable ) ?
or any red flags you guys think should be mentioned about these three schools ?

I was accepted to Roosevelt. They seemingly take almost everyone. They have on campus daycare which is great if you have children. They tuition is astronomical and includes unnecessary luxuries such as mandating every student have a Apple brand laptop for their online classes which i saw as a huge turnoff. I would considered LECOM for 50% of the price and a lower CoL.
 
This must be one of the con artist faculty of Chicago State COP posting. Good one there!You sure are good at putting up a good show.

Oh no- you caught me. And I thought I was doing a good job of covering my tracks. What gave it away- my Bears Super Bowl XX Champions sweatshirt? The empty Giordano's box and Old Style cans in the back of my car? Or was it my awesome Chicago policeman mustache? Dang it...it must have been the mustache.
 
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Oh no- you caught me. And I thought I was doing a good job of covering my tracks. What gave it away- my Bears Super Bowl XX Champions sweatshirt? The empty Giordano's box and Old Style cans in the back of my car? Or was it my awesome Chicago policeman mustache? Dang it...it must have been the mustache.

Maybe it was the Chicago overcoat that you had your last student try on after dissing you.
 
You’re on my no fly list. Sorry, this decision cannot be appealed.
 
I'm interested in applying to CSU PHARM. Can you guys please tell me about ur stats including overall GPA, science & math GPA, and PCAT score. Thank you
 
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