Roseman vs UNE (both OOS)

[doctordentist444]

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I am a PA resident for reference. I don't have a super big draw to staying on the east coast vs going west, I don't have family close at either school.

UNE:
Pros:
- Small class size
- High student happiness
- Good faculty and student relationships
- Longer breaks
- True P/F - 70% pass. Also non-competitive
- Most days aren't 8-5, get out earlier
- Progressive state and university
- Interdisciplinary campus
- Small campus and feels very similar to where I went to undergrad so transition would probably be pretty smooth for me.
- Will have a car.

Intermediate:
- Really the only things to do are eat or do outdoorsy things, not a good or bad thing but feels limited. Especially during the winter.
- Better food than Utah for sure lol.

Cons:
- Wear business casual clothes
- 2 hrs from closest city
- Long winters - I like the cold but winters are really long in New England lol
- D4 externship, no control over location you are placed or when. Causes students to often have to pay double rent or end apartment leases just to move away for a month and then when they come back, have to fight for housing again. Have to move your life for a month and have no say over it…
- Not very diverse
- Limited research funding
- Parking is hell - experienced it and heard it first hand from all the locals, students, and faculty.

Roseman:
Pros:
- Of course, 3 year program.
- Cheaper, but drastically
- Newer, nicer facilities
- Block schedule - relieves from stress
- Collaborative, non-competitive
- More lax on missing lecture, I think this is a con in case of emergencies ofc we should have to attend class.
- More diverse
- Assuming more research funding - if someone that knows and can comment on this would be helpful.
- Will have a car.

Intermediate:
- More interested in the nearby states and exploring if have time.
- Also seems limited in things to do besides outdoorsy things. Again, not a bad thing.

Cons:
- Less breaks, more of a grind
- Cant access recorded lectures
- High pass threshold of 90% (although I've heard its not hard to achieve?)
- Apparently have to fight for patients (unsure how true this is?)
- May need to do a GPR/AEGD to feel ready? Get mixed reviews on if people actually feel ready after 3 years or not.
- Conservative state - a rough time to be in a red state.

Honestly I feel really stumped. I like both and I think I would be happy at both. It seems like UNE has less intense cons but I feel conflicted about the Roseman cons because I hear such polarized opinions. Some people swear it's fine and others will say over and over again not to attend. I'd like to choose sooner rather than later but unsure how to pick and feel confident in my choice.

 

[macsak]

I am a PA resident for reference. I don't have a super big draw to staying on the east coast vs going west, I don't have family close at either school.

UNE:
Pros:
- Small class size
- High student happiness
- Good faculty and student relationships
- Longer breaks
- True P/F - 70% pass. Also non-competitive
- Most days aren't 8-5, get out earlier
- Progressive state and university
- Interdisciplinary campus
- Small campus and feels very similar to where I went to undergrad so transition would probably be pretty smooth for me.
- Will have a car.

Intermediate:
- Really the only things to do are eat or do outdoorsy things, not a good or bad thing but feels limited. Especially during the winter.
- Better food than Utah for sure lol.

Cons:
- Wear business casual clothes
- 2 hrs from closest city
- Long winters - I like the cold but winters are really long in New England lol
- D4 externship, no control over location you are placed or when. Causes students to often have to pay double rent or end apartment leases just to move away for a month and then when they come back, have to fight for housing again. Have to move your life for a month and have no say over it…
- Not very diverse
- Limited research funding
- Parking is hell - experienced it and heard it first hand from all the locals, students, and faculty.

Roseman:
Pros:
- Of course, 3 year program.
- Cheaper, but drastically
- Newer, nicer facilities
- Block schedule - relieves from stress
- Collaborative, non-competitive
- More lax on missing lecture, I think this is a con in case of emergencies ofc we should have to attend class.
- More diverse
- Assuming more research funding - if someone that knows and can comment on this would be helpful.
- Will have a car.

Intermediate:
- More interested in the nearby states and exploring if have time.
- Also seems limited in things to do besides outdoorsy things. Again, not a bad thing.

Cons:
- Less breaks, more of a grind
- Cant access recorded lectures
- High pass threshold of 90% (although I've heard its not hard to achieve?)
- Apparently have to fight for patients (unsure how true this is?)
- May need to do a GPR/AEGD to feel ready? Get mixed reviews on if people actually feel ready after 3 years or not.
- Conservative state - a rough time to be in a red state.

Honestly I feel really stumped. I like both and I think I would be happy at both. It seems like UNE has less intense cons but I feel conflicted about the Roseman cons because I hear such polarized opinions. Some people swear it's fine and others will say over and over again not to attend. I'd like to choose sooner rather than later but unsure how to pick and feel confident in my choice.

utah is a red state, but SLC is pretty blue...

 

[doctordentist444]

utah is a red state, but SLC is pretty blue...

very true

 

[OncePreDent]

Roseman:
Pros:
- Of course, 3 year program.
- Cheaper, but drastically
- Newer, nicer facilities
- Block schedule - relieves from stress
- Collaborative, non-competitive
- More lax on missing lecture, I think this is a con in case of emergencies ofc we should have to attend class.
- More diverse
- Assuming more research funding - if someone that knows and can comment on this would be helpful.
- Will have a car.

I'll just talk about your Roseman Pro's/Con's:
3-year huge pro, the biggest one about Roseman over UNE. It is significantly less expensive to go to Roseman than UNE. I was also deciding between UNE and Roseman when I was accepted and when you factor in 1 less year of tuition and 1 extra year of income, Roseman is for sure worth it.

- Assuming more research funding - if someone that knows and can comment on this would be helpful.

There is limited research funding at Roseman University. If you want to go to research conferences, you will likely need to pay for flight, hotel, etc. Research at Roseman is typically lit. reviews/not original research. However, there are a few original research projects, but those can be more difficult to get on. Roseman, however, has extremely supportive faculty when it comes to research. Plenty of projects you can join (lit. reviews), and the research department welcomes people with no previous research experience with open arms.

Roseman is Collaborative; even between people who want to specialize, everyone wants each other to succeed in the dental school. (at least most people [95%]).

- More lax on missing lecture, I think this is a con in case of emergencies ofc we should have to attend class.

Roseman can be lax on missing lectures. It depends on the course, some faculty require you to sign in (most classes do not).

- Less breaks, more of a grind

This is for sure going to be true. However, you get mini break after passing assessments which is nice.

- Cant access recorded lectures

For sure a big con, completely agree and not sure why we don't have access to recordings whenever we want.

- High pass threshold of 90% (although I've heard its not hard to achieve?)

Block schedule is heavenly; 90% can be stressful but for sure doable (typically, around 15% of the class has to reassess any given assessment) My lowest score has been a 93% so far and there are many people who never have to reassess.

- Apparently have to fight for patients (unsure how true this is?)

I don't believe this is the case at Roseman. If you are on a good team/work well with your team you will be able to do any procedures you want to do. I have people on my team that are interested in peds/want more experience with pedatric patients so the people who aren't interested in peds typically will give them more experience with children. If someone is interested in OS or extractions and other people aren't, they can give those people more experience in that field. However, this can be team specific (Most of the teams work this way)

- May need to do a GPR/AEGD to feel ready? Get mixed reviews on if people actually feel ready after 3 years or not.

So we haven't had a 3 year program graduate yet. My class will be the 1st group and I can tell you that the people that are engaged and actively seeking out continuing education and trying to learn as much as possible and getting as much experience as possible feel ready to graduate right now (and we are D2s about to turn D3s). These are the people going on weekend trips to learn about implants, etc.
I do not fall in this group, I am probably the average student clinically and I think I would feel ready to graduate in another 6-9 months based on how the last full year of clinic has gone for me. I think +90% of my class is not planning to do a GPR/AEGD after graduating from the 3 year program.

- Conservative state - a rough time to be in a red state.

I don't think this should be an issue. The majority of people in Utah are conservative and extremely friendly to everyone. Whether it's the faculty, students, patients, or anything outside of school Utah is an extremely safe and welcoming community. I have only had positive interactions with the people in Utah. If you are looking for somewhere that is more liberal, I would recommend living in Sugar House or SLC instead of South Jordan or Sandy Utah. We have some of our classmates that drive from SLC to South Jordan (about a 20 minute drive to school).