Rotation Experiences

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Rotation 5: Nuclear Pharmacy

It's very different. I love the math. I always love math though.

I don't mind the work. I have to work 4am to noon this weekend.

Hardest part...EVERYTHING IS HEAVY. HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY! I can hardly pick up anything. LOL....

I get things hot (radioactive) all the time while drawing doses etc.

I made my hands radioactive yesterday and spend over 3 hrs washing my hands and it's still radioactive!!!!!!!!! 😱

Is radiation hormesis a true theory? :laugh:
 
Rotation 5: Nuclear Pharmacy
I get things hot (radioactive) all the time while drawing doses etc.

I made my hands radioactive yesterday and spend over 3 hrs washing my hands and it's still radioactive!!!!!!!!! 😱

Is radiation hormesis a true theory? :laugh:
Do you not wear gloves??
There was another intern when I was doing my internship that poked her finger with 110 mCi of MAA in the syringe. It was hot for like 2-3 days:meanie:
 
Do you not wear gloves??
There was another intern when I was doing my internship that poked her finger with 110 mCi of MAA in the syringe. It was hot for like 2-3 days:meanie:

I did....but I made a HUGE mess...Tech99 spilled all over the hood....took my gloves off to survey my hands and it was HOT!

Wash it for 3 hrs straight with soap, shaving cream, windex, acohol, etc and still hot now. 🙄

I am so embarrassed though...made the hood super HOT 3 days in a row...my preceptor is so nice but I am so embarrassed...I need to be there again at 4am....wish me luck! lol
 
I did....but I made a HUGE mess...Tech99 spilled all over the hood....took my gloves off to survey my hands and it was HOT!

Wash it for 3 hrs straight with soap, shaving cream, windex, acohol, etc and still hot now. 🙄

I am so embarrassed though...made the hood super HOT 3 days in a row...my preceptor is so nice but I am so embarrassed...I need to be there again at 4am....wish me luck! lol

How is the neighbor? How was the visit from the ex?
 
How is the neighbor? How was the visit from the ex?

Neighbor and I have a date tonight. Ex coming to see me tomorrow.

Thanks for asking. 🙂
 
Rotation the 7th: Nuclear Pharmacy

Pros: Great, laid-back environment. Not commonly taught in school I think so if you want experience in this field this is your chance. Lots of learning about radio-pharmaceuticals. The hours are either great or terrible, not sure how I feel about them. For me it was a mix of either 2am-9am or 9am-5pm.

Cons: Well, if you are not going into nuclear pharmacy this probably isn't the most practical rotation. And of course there is how you glow in the dark if you keep spilling stuff (not naming any names here :meanie:).

Overall: I like it. Somewhat math heavy, but not really once you get used to it. The preceptor spends a lot of time going over various topics with me, way more one on one time than my other rotations so far. Lots of practice sterile compounding, which is probably the only transferable skill. :laugh: Would do again. 👍
 
Rotation the 7th: Nuclear Pharmacy

Pros: Great, laid-back environment. Not commonly taught in school I think so if you want experience in this field this is your chance. Lots of learning about radio-pharmaceuticals. The hours are either great or terrible, not sure how I feel about them. For me it was a mix of either 2am-9am or 9am-5pm.

Cons: Well, if you are not going into nuclear pharmacy this probably isn't the most practical rotation. And of course there is how you glow in the dark if you keep spilling stuff (not naming any names here :meanie:).

Overall: I like it. Somewhat math heavy, but not really once you get used to it. The preceptor spends a lot of time going over various topics with me, way more one on one time than my other rotations so far. Lots of practice sterile compounding, which is probably the only transferable skill. :laugh: Would do again. 👍

Can you actually pick up some of the things in there? The shields are so heavy that I can hardly draw doses. lol
 
Can you actually pick up some of the things in there? The shields are so heavy that I can hardly draw doses. lol

Eh, the shields for the vials don't bother me, it's the syringe shields that mess me up. So awkward! I have a hard enough time with a syringe without adding a bulky shield that won't stay in place! :laugh:

How do you like the hours? I am not sure I like getting up when most people have only just went to bed. :laugh:
 
Eh, the shields for the vials don't bother me, it's the syringe shields that mess me up. So awkward! I have a hard enough time with a syringe without adding a bulky shield that won't stay in place! :laugh:

How do you like the hours? I am not sure I like getting up when most people have only just went to bed. :laugh:

I haven't had many CRAZY hours yet...lol...Only crazy ones I got was last weekend I had to work 4am to Noon Saturday and Sunday...I got Monday and Tuesday off though...

4am to Noon was okay I guess...I only slept 6 hours the entire weekend though....I CANNOT fall asleep before midnight...so I end up sleeping at most midnight to 3am so 3 hrs a night only. 🙁

I haven't went to bed before midnight since I was a kid...so sleeping before midnight is very hard for me...I can't do it.

I have a 1am to 9am shift this coming Friday though....

My plan is to take benadryl at 6pm and sleep till midnight...that's 6 hrs of sleep...but I am not sure if that will work or not b/c again sleeping before midnight has always been very hard for me.

I am use to staying up very late and sleeping at 2am or 3am and getting up at 11am or noon! that's my favorite schedule! haha...

You take benadryl to sleep when you have the 2am to 9am shifts? I don't know how else to do it....No one can naturally sleep at 6pm! That's crazy.
 
The syringe shields are annoying! I agree! check your gloves after each dose...most likely you will be HOT!
 
Get thick blinds or wear a night mask plus maybe some ear plugs. I would try melatonin before benadryl personally, it supposedly works good for night shift workers. Plus it's natural! :meanie:
 
why do you guys do so much math? The computer does all the math for me .. I don't have to think at all lol. Once I enter the calibration time it does everything else.
 
why do you guys do so much math? The computer does all the math for me .. I don't have to think at all lol. Once I enter the calibration time it does everything else.

My guess would be they are trying to teach them the process and the rationale behind it. So that they actually understand what they are doing and not plugging and chugging from the computer.
 
My guess would be they are trying to teach them the process and the rationale behind it. So that they actually understand what they are doing and not plugging and chugging from the computer.
I did do the theoretical stuff in the beginning but it was mostly decay rates, eluting the generator etc. Maybe other rotations get more in depth. The pharmacists here don't even know more than the basics since the system makes this job pretty much brainless. The techs can do 100% of what the pharmacists at a much lower rate which makes me wonder if nuclear pharmacy should even require a pharm.D or not.
 
I did do the theoretical stuff in the beginning but it was mostly decay rates, eluting the generator etc. Maybe other rotations get more in depth. The pharmacists here don't even know more than the basics since the system makes this job pretty much brainless. The techs can do 100% of what the pharmacists at a much lower rate which makes me wonder if nuclear pharmacy should even require a pharm.D or not.

Confused by this. You're saying nuclear pharmacies should just be run by techs without pharmacist oversight?
 
Confused by this. You're saying nuclear pharmacies should just be run by techs without pharmacist oversight?
Pretty much at the pharmacy I am rotating at. The techs can make everything that the pharmacist does. The only that that they don't do is take new orders, and I am sure that they can do that as well. Honestly, I believe that nuclear pharmacy shouldn't require a Pharm.D. It should be its own certification because nothing we learn in school is relavent to the field.
 
Pretty much at the pharmacy I am rotating at. The techs can make everything that the pharmacist does. The only that that they don't do is take new orders, and I am sure that they can do that as well. Honestly, I believe that nuclear pharmacy shouldn't require a Pharm.D. It should be its own certification because nothing we learn in school is relavent to the field.
You're like the delusional public who thinks community pharmacists just have a 2 year degree and only know how to count by 5.
 
You're like the delusional public who thinks community pharmacists just have a 2 year degree and only know how to count by 5.
lol ok. Theres no drug interactions here, the pharmacists don't need to verify when the techs draw up doses. The quality control isn't even done by the pharmacist. No patient counseling. All the pharmacists say that nothing they learned in pharmacy school has anything to do with nuclear. It's not like retail at all. I am just speaking honestly here.
 
lol ok. Theres no drug interactions here, the pharmacists don't need to verify when the techs draw up doses. The quality control isn't even done by the pharmacist. No patient counseling. All the pharmacists say that nothing they learned in pharmacy school has anything to do with nuclear. It's not like retail at all. I am just speaking honestly here.

I'm concerned that quality isn't well controlled....
 
I'm concerned that quality isn't well controlled....
If the kits don't pass qc, they are remade. This happens very rarely. The quality is ultimately determined by the customers, which have very few complaints when they do their imagining so it is not a problem.
 
lol ok. Theres no drug interactions here, the pharmacists don't need to verify when the techs draw up doses. The quality control isn't even done by the pharmacist. No patient counseling. All the pharmacists say that nothing they learned in pharmacy school has anything to do with nuclear. It's not like retail at all. I am just speaking honestly here.

The pharmacists get calls all the time here from doctors asking why certain images show up the way it did. One of our patient's red blood cells didn't get tagged and the doctor told us a list of meds the patient was on and ask if it had anything to do with WHY the tagging failed. Pharmacists are asked questions everyday about drug interactions, why certain scan images look the way it do, and why doses fail on patients etc.

Techs can't take any therapy orders. The pharmacist must take all therapy orders and doctors call and ask questions everyday that techs will not know the answers to. Also I believe only pharmacist can do the red blood cell tagging and the Iodine 131.
 
Get thick blinds or wear a night mask plus maybe some ear plugs. I would try melatonin before benadryl personally, it supposedly works good for night shift workers. Plus it's natural! :meanie:

Benadryl worked very well for me last night....but I can see it stop working if I take it for a long time...same with melatonin though...
 
The pharmacists get calls all the time here from doctors asking why certain images show up the way it did. One of our patient's red blood cells didn't get tagged and the doctor told us a list of meds the patient was on and ask if it had anything to do with WHY the tagging failed. Pharmacists are asked questions everyday about drug interactions, why certain scan images look the way it do, and why doses fail on patients etc.

Techs can't take any therapy orders. The pharmacist must take all therapy orders and doctors call and ask questions everyday that techs will not know the answers to. Also I believe only pharmacist can do the red blood cell tagging and the Iodine 131.
At my site the tech actually does all the RBC tagging because the pharmacists hate how long it takes. The only thing I don't see the techs do is the I131. You do have a point on the questions on the imaging. The pharmacists do their best to answer, but they said most of the time it is a courtesy when they look it up because the techs should are too scared to ask their superiors and the questions are not in their field of training. Keep in mind my view of nuclear is probably different than most because this pharmacy I am rotating at has their own way of doing things. A lot of the things are not done by the book. The techs are also very experienced so they probably have more responsibilites than most.
 
At my site the tech actually does all the RBC tagging because the pharmacists hate how long it takes. The only thing I don't see the techs do is the I131. You do have a point on the questions on the imaging. The pharmacists do their best to answer, but they said most of the time it is a courtesy when they look it up because the techs should are too scared to ask their superiors and the questions are not in their field of training. Keep in mind my view of nuclear is probably different than most because this pharmacy I am rotating at has their own way of doing things. A lot of the things are not done by the book. The techs are also very experienced so they probably have more responsibilites than most.

I would agree with you IF I knew everything about the job and could do it easily...but all the questions about imaging and drug interactions dealing with nuclear drugs etc. are NOT very easy to answer IMO. I do not know much at all as to why images appear the way it do and why things happen this way and that etc.

So I think a pharmacist is very much needed in this setting....if ANYONE could do this job easily without a PharmD...then I should be able to do everything without any questions. I should be able to answer all doctors questions etc.

But I can NOT....so I believe it's not a very easy job that anyone can do...A PharmD can't hurt.
 
I would agree with you IF I knew everything about the job and could do it easily...but all the questions about imaging and drug interactions dealing with nuclear drugs etc. are NOT very easy to answer IMO. I do not know much at all as to why images appear the way it do and why things happen this way and that etc.

So I think a pharmacist is very much needed in this setting....if ANYONE could do this job easily without a PharmD...then I should be able to do everything without any questions. I should be able to answer all doctors questions etc.

But I can NOT....so I believe it's not a very easy job that anyone can do...A PharmD can't hurt.
Well corporate's dream would to have the techs make the kits and doses and have a couple pharmacists in a call center only answering calls for all their pharmacies. Oops better not bring up any other ideas to phase us out..
 
APPE Rotation 4: Critical Care

Pros: Tons of exposure and experiences that helped me gain perspective and some knowledge in handling critical care patients. Putting in 12h days 90% of the time + projects + my MBA really pushed me and gave me a taste of what I imagine being in residency will be like. Wrote a lot of orders and progress notes which was a first and very uncomfortable at first but definitely feel better about it now. The experience helped a lot in learning what goes into a solid therapy recommendation during rounds.

Cons: None to really speak of. Its been hard to adjust (I'm a retail guy and this was my first hospital) and I'm still not there yet. I kinda wish I had gotten more direction about making the adjustment but I don't really know if there is any to be given.

General: In my experience so far, the hospital paradigm, especially critical care, is soooooo much more dynamic than community pharmacy. Additionally, developing a clinical picture mindset for patients and following their progression through treatment is a difficult concept to get the hang of when coming from community. I really thought I'd have more time to come home and read over critical care journal articles, review notes, etc but I had time for zilch. I've definitely learned a lot but its been more of the learning on the go with the time constraints which I'm not particularly good at and therefore makes me worried about the quality of resident I can be.

ID is still my fav, but critical care is my second fav now 🙂
 
APPE: Community Management (Walgreens pharmacy supervisor)

Pros: Great chance to see what the pharmacy supervisor actually looks for and does on a day to day basis. If you are thinking about community management this is clearly the rotation for you. Also a great chance to network with the person who actually does the hiring. Easy A.

Cons: A little boring at times. Lots of meeting...I mean a LOT of meetings, lol.

Overall I really enjoy this one. I had no experience with Walgreens so it was fun to see how they do things. The preceptor was great and highly tailored the experience based on my experience level. Contrary to things I had heard on SDN I was never asked to spy on any pharmacists or pretend to be a patient, etc.
 
APPE: Hospital Practice

Pros: Well, it's a required rotation so not much in the way of a choice, lol. It has been good though. The preceptor has given me lots of learning opportunities with patient cases, presentations, topic discussions, journal club, etc. Easily more academic than any previous rotation. The pharmacist seem to enjoy asking me questions and having me look stuff up.

Cons: Can get a little annoying having to constantly work on the next project and balance the daily activities. A few late times I have stayed late to finish stuff up (yuck).

Overall I am very glad I had to do this rotation. I have got to observe a bunch of cool stuff, like an autopsy, PICC line nurse, etc. Some boring stuff too, like a dietitian, but oh well. It is obvious the site enjoys have students and quizzing us and teaching us, which is really nice. I wish this one had come earlier in my schedule but otherwise I am very happy with it.

EDIT: And so ends my rotational experiences. I hope you find it as fun/informative to read them as I did to write them!
 
You end in feb owl? Is that normal?

At UF, we have rotations from March of 3PD year to February of 4PD year. February must be owl's month off so he's done but there's only 2 weeks left on the February rotation for those of us who've already had a month off. We then go back to classes for 8 weeks to do one more pharmacotherapy course (which is really just a disease state presentation), an herbals class, some electives, and our immunization certification course. UF is the only school I know of that has a schedule like this. It kinda sucks to have to go back to class but it's kind of a nice mini-break/vacation.
 
At UF, we have rotations from March of 3PD year to February of 4PD year. February must be owl's month off so he's done but there's only 2 weeks left on the February rotation for those of us who've already had a month off. We then go back to classes for 8 weeks to do one more pharmacotherapy course (which is really just a disease state presentation), an herbals class, some electives, and our immunization certification course. UF is the only school I know of that has a schedule like this. It kinda sucks to have to go back to class but it's kind of a nice mini-break/vacation.

No I had my month off earlier so technically I still have two weeks left as well. I figured six weeks out of an eight week rotation was enough time to post about it though. 😉
 
APPE: Hospital Practice

Pros: Well, it's a required rotation so not much in the way of a choice, lol. It has been good though. The preceptor has given me lots of learning opportunities with patient cases, presentations, topic discussions, journal club, etc. Easily more academic than any previous rotation. The pharmacist seem to enjoy asking me questions and having me look stuff up.

Cons: Can get a little annoying having to constantly work on the next project and balance the daily activities. A few late times I have stayed late to finish stuff up (yuck).

Overall I am very glad I had to do this rotation. I have got to observe a bunch of cool stuff, like an autopsy, PICC line nurse, etc. Some boring stuff too, like a dietitian, but oh well. It is obvious the site enjoys have students and quizzing us and teaching us, which is really nice. I wish this one had come earlier in my schedule but otherwise I am very happy with it.

EDIT: And so ends my rotational experiences. I hope you find it as fun/informative to read them as I did to write them!

Great stuff! I very much enjoyed reading this..Good luck with your future endevaours!
 
So the light at the end of the tunnel is coming ever so close, i'll take a go...

Medical Mission
Pros: Worked with a diverse team of medical, dental, optometry, PT folks. Did a lot of stuff you weren't able to do in the states. Formed a prospective study from the trip and presented at midyear. Made some friends that I still see once in a while and got to see the knowledge base of other disciplines although usually 2nd or 3rd years. Got some damn good rum. Very demanding preceptor
Cons: For the length of 12 days, slept about 3-4 hours everyday. Lots of concurrent projects going on, mentally and physically and psychologically exhausting. Very demanding preceptor. Near the end wanted to just go home and say **** this. Food was ok, had diarrhea a couple times.

Oncology
Pros: Made my first recommendation that was accepted as a 4th year in an acute care setting! Learn the role of ambulatory care onco pharmacists. A brief view into hematology. Develop good relationship with nurses. Improved on basic chemotherapy agents understanding. Improved on management of heme/onco complication issues, better understanding of gastrointestinal malignant issues. Found out my weakness. The city was nice.
Cons: No rounding, kind of boring some of the days. Preceptor didn't have a lot of time.

Psychiatry
Pro: Interviewing psychiatric patients. Learn how to properly word what you meant to say. Improved on presentation skills. Learned a lot on psychiatric issues. Interactions with medical students. Truly interdisciplinary from nurse, social worker, lawyer, pharmd, md, family member, patient. Develop solid knowledge on psychiatric medication knowledge. Some MEMORABLE patients.
Con: disease state management all very similiar, 80% were schizophrenic or bipolar. Kind of unorganized. Preceptor ditched us more or so and had his PGY2 "care" for us. Attending psychiatrist was a nut case but a nice old fellow.

ID
Pro: Improved on HIV knowledge, and basic Antimicrobial stewardship responsibility. Micro lab explore. Food was good. Improved significantly on presentation skills. Evaluation of certain medication and adverse event reporting.
Cons: preceptor was bias toward other students, limited rounding. Stuck in the same place everyday. The city blows ****ing suck, had to drive to a bigger city to get some night life. The temp place I stayed at was scary lol roaches everywhere.

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APPE Rotation 5: Am Care

Pros: Working in a clinic doing DM/lipids/anticoag management is definitely great exposure to collabartive care practices and what some pharmacy could be. I don't think I really fully understood the whole picture of DM management until this rotation during which I would work up/counsel/make recommendatios on 3-4 pts/day. This really helped to solidify the guideline recommendations in my head on DM.

Cons: Pts often dont show up for clinic which makes for long, boring days. Some pts do show up but are unable to hold a focused conversation and thus makes the clinic meet less than beneficial.

General: I hate chronic conditions and am care as interventions generally take soooooo long to pay off/ be observable. However, I really liked the rotation as it helped me become more well rounded in assessing patients and making recommendations.



APPE Rotation 6: Internal Medicine

Pros: This rotation was very different than my ICU/CC rotation during which I worked up 16 pts daily. This rotation, I would follow very rudimentary basics like pud/dvt/crcl adjs on all the patients but only work up one patient per day. We would pick a patient and read review articles, guidelines, etc to be able to fully discuss the clinical picture the next day. It was a LOT of work, but I got more efficient at pulling better articles and self learning. I think this rotation has been pivotal in the process not due to it being internal medicine, but that the preceptor set the tone of demanding self learning to a degree way beyond previous preceptors (ton of disease states, drug monographs, and guidelines daily). I tend to think this helped to push me to perform as an independent practioner and prepare me for residency.

Cons: Only looking at one patient per day (wholistically) doesn't reflect the demands of the coming year in residency. Also wanted more of the pharmacist's perspective on how they approach each patient and a talk through on what they think about.

General: Hands down second best (after ICU) rotation based on the the strong push by the preceptor to make us into independently learning practioners.



APPE Rotation 7: Advanced Hospital

Pros: Lots of great things here. Very small hospital (30 beds) so I'm given the opportunity to input orders, charges, changes, etc. on a daily basis as an almost integral part of the work force. I also had the good fortune of being present during a computer software change for the initiation of bedside barcoding, implimentation of EMR, and changing of the pharmacy software. Its no EPIC, but it still has been a priceless experience at understanding how the foundation of it works and where issues arise with software and why (mostly the people in charge not fully understanding the software's proper usage).

Cons: Not a lot of evidence based medicine going on here. Can be trying at times when some practices are clearly from days gone by and not anywhere near the standard of care. I'll grant that one of the pharmacists entertains my questions about practices with a skeptical but listening ear.



Overall I'll note that the difference (in my experience overall) between having residency trained preceptors and non-residency trained is literaly night and day.

Next up: Infectious Diseases rotation!!!!!! :clap:
 
APPE Rotation 5: Am Care

Cons: Pts often dont show up for clinic which makes for long, boring days. Some pts do show up but are unable to hold a focused conversation and thus makes the clinic meet less than beneficial.
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I really enjoy my Am Care rotation, but this stuff definitely makes it tough. The appointment is supposed to be an insulin titration, but the pt doesn't bring in glucometer. Appointment for hospital discharge med rec, but they don't bring in any meds or discharge papers. Then there's the no-shows. I wonder how that affects the financial viability of some clinics. Granted rph billing is very small, but if it's an MD visit that no-shows, and there are multiple per day, that could be a big hit to your reimbursements.
 
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