RVU vs. DMU, reputation

[Member23456]

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Hello:

I have been accepted at both RVU and DMU and am having trouble weighing
the pros/cons of each school. I've read a lot of negative things about RVU's
"for profit" status and this has me worried.

So far, my reasons for attending RVU would be:
-location
-family atmosphere
-Global health honors track

My reasons for attending DMU would be:
-reputation, track record
-technology (sim labs, etc.)
-lower cost

I enjoyed interviewing at both schools. I want to go into emergency medicine;
I just don't want to be in a situation where a reputation might hinder that.

Thoughts? Advice?


thanks

 

[dntke1518]

Hello:

I have been accepted at both RVU and DMU and am having trouble weighing
the pros/cons of each school. I've read a lot of negative things about RVU's
"for profit" status and this has me worried.

So far, my reasons for attending RVU would be:
-location
-family atmosphere
-Global health honors track

My reasons for attending DMU would be:
-reputation, track record
-technology (sim labs, etc.)
-lower cost

I enjoyed interviewing at both schools. I want to go into emergency medicine;
I just don't want to be in a situation where a reputation might hinder that.

Thoughts? Advice?


thanks

Alot of people here are going to go nuts over the for-profit status of RVU and the fact that it is such a new school. That being said I had heard somewhere that RVU had a pretty good match this year. Personally, I would go to DMU because it is a very established school, it is cheaper, and it is boss status...

 

[seap3]

Just go to DMU.

 

[WDeagle]

Is this real life?

 

[musclemilk619]

DMU not even a question

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Honestly there are almost no DO schools, established or otherwise, that can compete with DMUCOM. Combine that with the fact that it is almost 10k a year cheaper than RVU and you have a clear winner. Emergency medicine? Look through the DMU match lists, nearly 10-15% of their class goes to high quality EM residencies.
It's just the truth, there is almost no competition. This is not a debate between a school like CCOM or MSU v.s DMU, this is a debate between a school that literally only matched one class ( With about 30ppl dropping out, and the majority going to community programs) and a top ranked DO school that has matched nearly 100 classes through out its extensive history and has an expansive alumni network. Even without the potentially of for-profit status hindering students, DMU dominates in every aspect.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

DMU for sure.

 

[ManBroDude]

Let's just say I ranked RVU as "Middle Tier" and DMU as "God Tier".

 

[dntke1518]

Honestly there are almost no DO schools, established or otherwise, that can compete with DMUCOM. Combine that with the fact that it is almost 10k a year cheaper than RVU and you have a clear winner.

Let's just say I ranked RVU as "Middle Tier" and DMU as "God Tier".

👍 these

 

[DocEspana]

dead horse. I'm beating it.
DMU.

 

[MT Headed]

OP, what do you mean by the superior location of RVU?

If by "location" you mean that RVU is close to well-established friends / family / support network, then RVU > DMU for you. You should stay in Colorado.

If by "location" you mean that it's cooler to live in the mountains than in a cornfield, then DMU >>> RVU. Even us non-DO lurkers know that.

 

[DocEspana]

I was toying around with AACOM documents today and apparently RVUCOM is the school with the third highest rate of students listing "location" as the top reason why they selected the school.

Just behind Touro-CA and PNWU and just above TouroCOM-NY.

I have no idea what to make of that. Just passing on the stat since it was inquired about in the previous comment.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Alot of people here are going to go nuts over the for-profit status of RVU and the fact that it is such a new school. That being said I had heard somewhere that RVU had a pretty good match this year. Personally, I would go to DMU because it is a very established school, it is cheaper, and it is boss status...

Not trying to pick on you but because a lot of misinformation gets passed along on SDN by what people heard somewhere without actually looking at the data I have to respond to the comment that RVU had a good match list this year:

RVU actually had a pretty crappy match- I would guess one of worst of the osteopathic matches (I haven't looked at them all this year). It contained very few specialty matches, almost no allopathic matches, and the IM/Peds/EM matches almost universally were to very small, unknown community programs. 2 of the IM matches were to hospitals with fewer than 100 beds TOTAL. All-in-all, RVU was not well recieved. From that alone, the OP should choose DMU but there are a lot more intangibles that DMU has that RVU does not.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Not trying to pick on you but because a lot of misinformation gets passed along on SDN by what people heard somewhere without actually looking at the data I have to respond to the comment that RVU had a good match list this year:

RVU actually had a pretty crappy match- I would guess one of worst of the osteopathic matches (I haven't looked at them all this year). It contained very few specialty matches, almost no allopathic matches, and the IM/Peds/EM matches almost universally were to very small, unknown community programs. 2 of the IM matches were to hospitals with fewer than 100 beds TOTAL. All-in-all, RVU was not well recieved. From that alone, the OP should choose DMU but there are a lot more intangibles that DMU has that RVU does not.

Really? Wow. Thanks for that info. Very valuable.

 

[Colodostudent]

Really? Wow. Thanks for that info. Very valuable.

Instatewaiter has been an RVU hater since day one, and his own personal bias is coming through, nothing more, so don't buy into his bull.

The match is listed at other sites on SDN. Go take a look at it for yourself. If you think places like the Cleveland Clinic, Univesity of CO, BAMC, Hershey at Penn State, Univ of Kansas, Wayne State, Univesity of KY, Univer of IA, Oklahoma, , etc... etc.. are bad programs, you don't know what your looking at.

Compare this match to the other new DO schools that have graduated this year, or for that matter, last year, and you'll see RVU was fine, if not better than fine.

 

[Member23456]

On the location note, I have a much, much better support network in CO. However, I'm sure I can establish myself decently at DMU.

On the match results note- for it being RVU's first match ever, I think it's pretty impressive.

All in all, it is hard to ignore DMU's long-standing history.

Thanks for the all the input/facts?/opinions

 

[DocEspana]

Instatewaiter has been an RVU hater since day one, and his own personal bias is coming through, nothing more, so don't buy into his bull.

The match is listed at other sites on SDN. Go take a look at it for yourself. If you think places like the Cleveland Clinic, Univesity of CO, BAMC, Hershey at Penn State, Univ of Kansas, Wayne State, Univesity of KY, Univer of IA, Oklahoma, , etc... etc.. are bad programs, you don't know what your looking at.

Compare this match to the other new DO schools that have graduated this year, or for that matter, last year, and you'll see RVU was fine, if not better than fine.

I'm gonna call about 90% of this a gross overstatement. But the best way to do this is to simply let people go ahead and check out the match list with this thought in mind "which of these are allopathic. Which of these are large allopathic. which of these are also competitive fields at large allopathic schools. and which are competitive spots regardless of AOA/ACGME"

And then run other places recent matches through that same filter. I personally found the AOA matches for RVU to be totally fine. Not bad, and a few very bright spots, just didnt make my jaw drop even in the context of first graduating class. It was regular. And thats not a bad thing. But when you look at the ACGME spots (and for that matter, the military spots) I felt ridiculously underwhelmed.

Its not about the success of the matching. People matched. They're doing what they want, I imagine. They'll be doctors with prescribing rights. But the debate has always been "what will allopathic places think" because there is a lingering fear that either there will be some pressure on the AOA and RVU will be the bargaining chip, or that the negative views (if they exist. i think they do) might leech over to other DO schools (I dont think this is likely at all though).

but make your own opinions.

 

[boone95]

Not trying to pick on you but because a lot of misinformation gets passed along on SDN by what people heard somewhere without actually looking at the data I have to respond to the comment that RVU had a good match list this year:

RVU actually had a pretty crappy match- I would guess one of worst of the osteopathic matches (I haven't looked at them all this year). It contained very few specialty matches, almost no allopathic matches, and the IM/Peds/EM matches almost universally were to very small, unknown community programs. 2 of the IM matches were to hospitals with fewer than 100 beds TOTAL. All-in-all, RVU was not well recieved. From that alone, the OP should choose DMU but there are a lot more intangibles that DMU has that RVU does not.

I can't just let an outrageously hostile comment like this slide by without making sure the readers now how absurd her entire post is.

RVU did not have a crappy match, period. There is no way to quantify how "good" a match is, but a majority of my classmates matched to places they wanted to go... take that however you want.

RVU was well-received, based on the number of interviews many of us received from both DO and MD programs, and based on people matching where many of them wanted.

I'm not saying where the OP should choose, because it's a very individualized decision, but I want everyone to know both sides, and understand 'instatewaiter' is outspoken, and not the majority.

 

[donkeykong1]

DMU. /done

 

[Instatewaiter]

Instatewaiter has been an RVU hater since day one, and his own personal bias is coming through, nothing more, so don't buy into his bull.

The match is listed at other sites on SDN. Go take a look at it for yourself. If you think places like the Cleveland Clinic, Univesity of CO, BAMC, Hershey at Penn State, Univ of Kansas, Wayne State, Univesity of KY, Univer of IA, Oklahoma, , etc... etc.. are bad programs, you don't know what your looking at.

Compare this match to the other new DO schools that have graduated this year, or for that matter, last year, and you'll see RVU was fine, if not better than fine.

I will confirm that I have been an RVU hater from day one. No doubt about that. I find for-profit medical education deplorable because fo the potential consequences for the students and the track record we have from pre-flexnor report med schools and the carribean. As an aside, I recently found out flexnor's grandson works at the hospital where i am a resident.

The fact that I am a "hater" does not change the fact that the match was not as good as people are making it out to be. Quite frankly it was piss-poor. Notice how you are struggling to find more than a handful of university programs to list. Notice those places are in crappy areas of the country- detroit, iowa, Oklahoma, kansas, cleveland. These are not exactly highly sought after locations or programs. I highly recommend people compare this match list to another DO school.

 

[COMedic2Doc]

I can't just let an outrageously hostile comment like this slide by without making sure the readers now how absurd her entire post is.

RVU did not have a crappy match, period. There is no way to quantify how "good" a match is, but a majority of my classmates matched to places they wanted to go... take that however you want.

RVU was well-received, based on the number of interviews many of us received from both DO and MD programs, and based on people matching where many of them wanted.

I'm not saying where the OP should choose, because it's a very individualized decision, but I want everyone to know both sides, and understand 'instatewaiter' is outspoken, and not the majority.

+1, especially considering a first match.

OP, the underlying question is where do you feel your better support network is, i.e. if family lives in Colorado then RVU may be a better choice for you. If on the other hand there's not a difference in support networks, then it's up to you to evaluate which school appeals to you more based on interviews and experiences with both programs.

RVU is a brand new "for profit" (realistically they are still investing a ton in their students) program, but this being said their COMLEX pass rates and match list will continue to put a lot of bias to silence over the years. DMU is also a good program, and both have pluses and minuses.

Both are dedicated to their students from what I hear and have positive learning environments, which is very positive. Good luck with your decision.

 

[Bacchus]

There's an RVU match thread in Osteo, I believe, detailing more explanations of their match list. Its worth checking out.

With that said, unless a SO prevents you from moving or family members will be dying in the next 4 years, you should go to DMU.

 

[dntke1518]

As for my comment about RVU's match my info came from SDN so take it with a grain of salt... Just trying not to bash.

On another note, for those who think Des Moines is a "cornfield" you are completely naive, sorry, I just get tired of hearing it.

^^ cornfield right?

 

[DocEspana]

As for my comment about RVU's match my info came from SDN so take it with a grain of salt... Just trying not to bash.

On another note, for those who think Des Moines is a "cornfield" you are completely naive, sorry, I just get tired of hearing it.

^^ cornfield right?

That's some crazy corn species you guys are growing over there.

 

[COMedic2Doc]

As for my comment about RVU's match my info came from SDN so take it with a grain of salt... Just trying not to bash.

On another note, for those who think Des Moines is a "cornfield" you are completely naive, sorry, I just get tired of hearing it.

^^ cornfield right?

LOL. Yep that's a city-style cornfield right? Actually Des Moines is a very nice city, and I've enjoyed spending the times there and around Des Moines that I have. 🙂

 

[dntke1518]

LOL. Yep that's a city-style cornfield right? Actually Des Moines is a very nice city, and I've enjoyed spending the times there and around Des Moines that I have. 🙂

You should see what we can do with our genetically modified corn

 

[COMedic2Doc]

You should see what we can do with our genetically modified corn

Ohhhh enticing, let's see here if we do a heterozygous cross between your corn and corn from another state, hmmmmmmmm...... 😀

 

[IDBasco]

You should see what we can do with our genetically modified corn