Sacrifice during medical school

[Rollo]

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Just thought I'd mention my experience that even in real life 90% of religious folks you meet have superficial knowledge. I can't remember the last time I met someone who knew there were many gospels and the four in the bible were the only ones chosen to be included.

More to the point, I think that the reason many (I won't arbitrarily quantify this to make it sound like it is anything more than a claim based on nothing) non-religious people are used to taking time to intellectually and honestly explore the things they are bashing. Religious fact is often defended by begging the question (e.g. the classic: God exists. -Why? -The bible says so. -Why should I believe that? -Because the bible is the word of God).

Your mistake is assuming that the people who disagree with you are ignorant to your ideas. Perhaps we have looked at it, intellectually and honestly, and still disagree with you.

I agree with you that 90% (arbitrary quantity) of religious folks have superficial knowledge hence your example of "classic" religious fact being defended by begging the question. This basically becomes a chicken and egg argument....non-religious young adults are non-religious and show extreme hatred towards anything religious (as clearly evidenced by responses in this thread) because they were brought up with the mindless dogma of "...because the Bible says so". Whose fault is it? The religious folk with superficial knowledge who brought up these kids who chose to rebel against something that didn't make sense to them? Or the non-religious young adults who are too scared to intellectually and honestly explore religion to the depth that the ideas and principles behind it demand because it reminds them of overbearing and legalistic parents?

For what it's worth, there are quite a few prominent authors out there who have defended religious (specifically Christian since Islam forbids intellectual scrutiny of the Koran and Hinduism is just a conglomerate of spiritual ideas and beliefs without any basis in reality) ideas and philosophy with logic and reason. CS Lewis is a famous author that comes to mind. There are several others but for most religious and non-religious folks, reading couple of CS Lewis' work will keep them occupied and intellectually challenged for some time.

 

[SlickNickMD]

Wow, you seem like such a cool person. 👎

Why so many judgemental, close-minded people to religion on these forums? Everyone on here thinks they are so wise and educated on the topic, when in reality you probably have never even touched a Bible or any other religious texts. I respect your opinion, and would never think of mocking it.. Why feel the need to mock those who have faith or believe in God? I feel sorry for you.

This post REEKS of insecurity, literally nothing I said is judgmental of "religion". My beliefs are a combination of pagan and African/Egyptian spiritualism, nontheistic satanism, and agnosticism. Christians think anything that goes against their religious views is an attack, get over yourself. That's like me asking you to stop judging me with the biblical quotes. My views on religion are literally the opposite of closed mindedness. Feel sorry for you too buddy😉

 

[Suncrusher]

A bit of a broad generalization, yeah?

It's par for the course for him. He's the same poster who wondered aloud how anything could be too girly for a gay guy.




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[Rollo]

I wonder how religious people got the reputation of being judgmental and intolerant? Weird.

Guy raised as a strict Roman Catholic echoes this sentiment.

And non-religious people are completely non-judgmental and tolerant of ANY and ALL worldviews, right? Oh so that's why they DON'T ridicule or humiliate or poke fun at beliefs and principles that religious folks hold dear to....

 

[MilkmanAl]

non-religious young adults are non-religious and show extreme hatred towards anything religious

Whoa, whoa, whoa, seriously? What kinds of reactions were you expecting when you hauled off and call people "idiots" and "******s," among other things, for not sharing your beliefs? Who is doing the hating, again?

I, for one, don't "show extreme hatred towards anything religious," I just don't believe in it and choose not to make it part of my life. I don't find it at all worthwhile, but that doesn't mean other people don't or can't.

And non-religious people are completely non-judgmental and tolerant of ANY and ALL worldviews, right? Oh so that's why they DON'T ridicule or humiliate or poke fun at beliefs and principles that religious folks hold dear to....

I didn't say that non-religious people weren't judgmental, dude. Chill out.

 

[Suncrusher]

And non-religious people are completely non-judgmental and tolerant of ANY and ALL worldviews, right? Oh so that's why they DON'T ridicule or humiliate or poke fun at beliefs and principles that religious folks hold dear to....

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And I can guarantee you that you will run into countless people in medicine who have given up hope and have become so engulfed by the darkness of sickness and death that the idea of an all knowing and all loving God becomes a joke to them. I can't blame them easily though. We all need defense mechanisms to deal with the tragedy of life and death that we will encounter day in and day out.

Some of us aren't mature enough to deal with it. Those of us who are have to find a way to keep both our sanity and reality in check.

Superficial knowledge about religions in this thread doesn't surprise me since people in medicine generally tend to be one-dimensional in their knowledge base.

It's all superficial knowledge these idiots have. In fact, you will find that even in real life 90% of anti-religious folks you meet have superficial knowledge because they are more concerned with "fitting in" and "being cool/advanced/progressive" than taking the time to intellectually and honestly explore the very thing that they are bashing.

There is definitely intolerance and closed-minded stereotyping going on in this thread, and a whole lot of it is coming from one person.

This thread started out asking what you wouldn't give up in med school. You went further, saying that anyone who gives up faith must have been too immature to handle it, and then started name-calling. Take a step back and get some clarity.

I realize that scarshapedstar attacked religion first, but the rest of us ignored him/her and maybe you should do the same.

Anyway...personally, I would not give up relationships. What I like best so far about medical school are the occasional opportunities to care for and have meaningful interactions with people at a vulnerable and emotional time of their life, and I feel like I would stop caring as much about other people if I were unhappy or unfulfilled in my personal life.

 

[circulus vitios]

Wow, you seem like such a cool person. 👎

Why so many judgemental, close-minded people to religion on these forums? Everyone on here thinks they are so wise and educated on the topic, when in reality you probably have never even touched a Bible or any other religious texts. I respect your opinion, and would never think of mocking it.. Why feel the need to mock those who have faith or believe in God? I feel sorry for you.

Because it's ridiculous.

 

[Butler]

And non-religious people are completely non-judgmental and tolerant of ANY and ALL worldviews, right? Oh so that's why they DON'T ridicule or humiliate or poke fun at beliefs and principles that religious folks hold dear to....

Reserved until I find a way to post this image lol.

 

[thepoopologist]

😱 This is my point exactly. This is one of the more rediculous things I have ever heard. So do you not believe in any history book or texts? The Bible, the book that I base my life on, certainly was not written to make money. In fact, many of the men writing this book, especially the Gospels in the New Testament, were prosecuted and executed for their beliefs. Im not here to preach, just to defend my beliefs against comments like this. Open up your mind a little bit...

I can't say I completely believe history books either. I believe some version of the events took place, biased toward the writers nationality/beliefs/etc. What would make me completely write off those books is if an omnipotent, all knowing being were inserted into the events.

It's all superficial knowledge these idiots have. In fact, you will find that even in real life 90% of anti-religious folks you meet have superficial knowledge because they are more concerned with "fitting in" and "being cool/advanced/progressive" than taking the time to intellectually and honestly explore the very thing that they are bashing.

I was a churchgoer for 8 years and while my knowledge is superficial now, it wasn't always that way. I'm simply giving my opinion based on my experience, and my experience tells me that religion is just another form of rationalization. Religion sees something and provides an explanation based on the bible. Science sees something and provides an explanation based on what is seen and tested.

I'm not writing off the existence of something greater than human beings, I'm saying that I don't accept the theories I've heard thus far.

 

[PlayUltimate15]

My experience has actually been different than both sides posted above. I find that a majority of people I have encountered have a relatively superficial knowledge of their beliefs... whether they've read a bit of Dawkins or a bit of the Gospel of John. People have very interesting stories and in my opinion, the most interesting people I meet are often the ones who have delved more deeply into their beliefs (no matter what they are).

Ignorance is confined neither to atheists nor religious folk.

I will agree that religion-bashing seems to come easy to some users on SDN. However, sometimes I sigh and shake my head when I read fiery comments from people with religious convictions. I don't think anyone represents their beliefs well by being a jerk.

 

[ICanDoAllThings]

This post REEKS of insecurity, literally nothing I said is judgmental of "religion". My beliefs are a combination of pagan and African/Egyptian spiritualism, nontheistic satanism, and agnosticism. Christians think anything that goes against their religious views is an attack, get over yourself. That's like me asking you to stop judging me with the biblical quotes. My views on religion are literally the opposite of closed mindedness. Feel sorry for you too buddy😉

Insecurity? Don't really see how that fits into what I am saying.I am completely secure in my faith, and am not the type of Christian to judge others for their beliefs. All I was saying is everyone in this thread is trying to mock people with beliefs in God with a smug attitude, which to me came across in your original post. I apologize if you didn't mean it that way.

I am actually anti-organized religion, because religion consists of human nature, politics, money, and everything else that makes this world corrupt. My beliefs lie in Jesus Christ, who stands for far more than an organized religion; it is a relationship and a way of life. This is not because I was raised and fed this information, but because I studied the Bible and other religions and my eyes were opened to the truth. I pray that everyone does the same, we owe it to ourselves to seek the truth... If you actually study to learn what it is about and still believe that it is not for you, then that is your decision and I respect that. No hate and judging from me. I too agree that too many religious people are close minded and judgemental.

I am getting off on a tangent and I apologize, but just wanted to throw in 2 more cents. You CANNOT deny that Jesus Christ was a historical figure. He was either one of two things: a liar, lunatic/crazy person who literally committed suicide to prove a point or He was who He said He was. If it turns out that the first is true, then do you really think Christianity would be so prevalent today? Would the entire world use BC/AD to base our dating off of? Would the Bible be the most sold book in history and still be so popular today? The truth is he left an impact on this Earth that no one else ever has in the history of the world. If you haven't looked into it, check it out!

 

[ICanDoAllThings]

My experience has actually been different than both sides posted above. I find that a majority of people I have encountered have a relatively superficial knowledge of their beliefs... whether they've read a bit of Dawkins or a bit of the Gospel of John. People have very interesting stories and in my opinion, the most interesting people I meet are often the ones who have delved more deeply into their beliefs (no matter what they are).

Ignorance is confined neither to atheists nor religious folk.

I will agree that religion-bashing seems to come easy to some users on SDN. However, sometimes I sigh and shake my head when I read fiery comments from people with religious convictions. I don't think anyone represents their beliefs well by being an jerk.

Well said...

 

[searun]

The tragedy of a person's life is realizing that he hasn't lived it when facing death.

The defense mechanism at the end of someones life is to believe there is a God because it's nice to believe in second chances. Maybe there are, maybe there aren't, but there's no reason to go through this one thinking that there's another.

I find it hilarious that anyone would choose to live their life based on a book of religion that was most likely written by a flawed man looking to earn some money.
In a practical sense it has probably lessened the miserable existence led by some people and given others a guideline in how to live a moral life.

But c'mon.

The Buddha was not a flawed man trying to earn money. He was a very wealthy prince who walked away from it all and found enlightenment. As for Jesus, taking on the powers that be, knowing that he would be crucified, this is also a poor strategy for wealth accumulation.

 

[CatFactorial]

This thread is going nowhere and should be closed.

 

[Itwashambone]

My experience has actually been different than both sides posted above. I find that a majority of people I have encountered have a relatively superficial knowledge of their beliefs... whether they've read a bit of Dawkins or a bit of the Gospel of John. People have very interesting stories and in my opinion, the most interesting people I meet are often the ones who have delved more deeply into their beliefs (no matter what they are).

Ignorance is confined neither to atheists nor religious folk.

I will agree that religion-bashing seems to come easy to some users on SDN. However, sometimes I sigh and shake my head when I read fiery comments from people with religious convictions. I don't think anyone represents their beliefs well by being a jerk.

I couldn't agree more. Philosophical debate of all things metaphysical is great, but that is rarely what happens here.

 

[SlickNickMD]

Insecurity? Don't really see how that fits into what I am saying.I am completely secure in my faith, and am not the type of Christian to judge others for their beliefs. All I was saying is everyone in this thread is trying to mock people with beliefs in God with a smug attitude, which to me came across in your original post. I apologize if you didn't mean it that way.

I am actually anti-organized religion, because religion consists of human nature, politics, money, and everything else that makes this world corrupt. My beliefs lie in Jesus Christ, who stands for far more than an organized religion; it is a relationship and a way of life. This is not because I was raised and fed this information, but because I studied the Bible and other religions and my eyes were opened to the truth. I pray that everyone does the same, we owe it to ourselves to seek the truth... If you actually study to learn what it is about and still believe that it is not for you, then that is your decision and I respect that. No hate and judging from me. I too agree that too many religious people are close minded and judgemental.

I am getting off on a tangent and I apologize, but just wanted to throw in 2 more cents. You CANNOT deny that Jesus Christ was a historical figure. He was either one of two things: a liar, lunatic/crazy person who literally committed suicide to prove a point or He was who He said He was. If it turns out that the first is true, then do you really think Christianity would be so prevalent today? Would the entire world use BC/AD to base our dating off of? Would the Bible be the most sold book in history and still be so popular today? The truth is he left an impact on this Earth that no one else ever has in the history of the world. If you haven't looked into it, check it out!

I believe Jesus Christ existed, whether or not he is the son of "God" is debatable. "Lunacy" can be contagious, all it takes is a common enemy and a great leader.

The easiest way to become an atheist/agnostic/religious free agent is to read every religious scripture, I'm glad you were active in seeking your faith instead of absorbing everything you were told. The truth of the matter is most of us are whatever religion we are because of where we were born, or what culture or even time period we were born into.


Ive heard these same arguments from many other religions about impact of one man, mostly Muslims. Let's not act like Christians didn't actively force their beliefs on others. The audacity of this country to commit one of the most successful genocides in human history and then try to convert the few Native Americans that were left to Christianity. Christians and Muslims do a great Job spreading their faith to the far reaches of the world, not sure if that says anything about the validity of those religions. Anyhow I don't have to believe in your Gods but I will defend your right to worship whatever it is you want to.


If you wanna go off on tangents we could discuss how my "truth" is the God in the Judeochristian bible and The "devil" are one in the same. The devil objectively seems to be the more rational and less evil alter-ego of God himself. I also don't associate Jesus with "truth", Satan is more of a symbol for "truth" and enlightenment than Jesus is. (In my opinion)

I don't take religion too seriously, I take bits and pieces of many different faiths and philosophies purging out what I consider immoral and making my own interpretations of what the deeper meaning in some of these ancient texts.


Anyhow why are we discussing this in this thread again? This is one of the worst thread derailments I've ever experienced

 

[SlickNickMD]

This thread is going nowhere and should be closed.

Meh we should just make a religion/spirituality thread, but these things never end well

 

[Jack is Back]

Let's be peaceful.

 

[Kinis]

Ignorance is confined neither to atheists nor religious folk.

Actually you'll find correlations between levels of education + IQ and how 'atheistic' a population is. So you can actually say that ignorance, in a given population, is, probably, going to be more confined to religious folk.
Just thought I'd through that out there 😀

 

[PsP for real]

Actually you'll find correlations between levels of education + IQ and how 'atheistic' a population is. So you can actually say that ignorance, in a given population, is, probably, going to be more confined to religious folk.
Just thought I'd through that out there 😀

Actually you'll find correlations between levels of education + IQ and how 'religous' a population is. So you actually say that ignorance , in a given population, is, probably going to be more confined to the atheistic folk.
Just though I'd through that out there 😀

Look I can insult people too! 👎

 

[pingouin]

Oh yay- another thread that has gone so off-topic we're never going to get it back. Closing.