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[hy2026]

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Dr. David W. Golde, a world renowned expert in blood disorders, and the chief physician at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center died last week.
He committed suicide.

It is weird how people at the top end their lives. I mean, we are dying to go to any medical school, working our asses off. We would do anything to have what he had, to be at Cornell.

Yet he ended his life with his own hand. No matter how diffcult your life is, I think suicide is wrong. What do I know, though, it is just sad to see a famous and talented doctor end his own life.

 

[dave613]

Dr. David W. Golde, a world renowned expert in blood disorders, and the chief physician at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center died last week.
He committed suicide.

It is weird how people at the top end their lives. I mean, we are dying to go to any medical school, working our asses off. We would do anything to have what he had, to be at Cornell.

Yet he ended his life with his own hand. No matter how diffcult your life is, I think suicide is wrong. What do I know, though, it is just sad to see a famous and talented doctor end his own life.

What?? where did you read this? that is a terrible tragedy

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Wow, that's a shock and a tragedy!! Why did he commit suicide?

All that i can say is from the outside it seems so easy to say "how could anyone do it?", but until you are in a position of severe depression you can not possibly understand how the irrational mind works, when suicide seems like the right approach to a problem that seems insurmountable and relentless.

 

[Blake]

2 '' well-known '' physician suicides in less than a week. There's definitely a problem 🙁

 

[ericdamiansean]

2 '' well-known '' physician suicides in less than a week. There's definitely a problem 🙁

Who else?

 

[aphistis]

2 '' well-known '' physician suicides in less than a week. There's definitely a problem 🙁

Not that I expect it to make any difference in this neurosis-infested board, but maybe someone will read this and actually realize there's more to being successful than cutting throats to be the best at everything.

 

[Blake]

Who else?

Robert Howard, a former olympian.

 

[the other Dr.]

Wow, that's a shock and a tragedy!! Why did he commit suicide?

All that i can say is from the outside it seems so easy to say "how could anyone do it?", but until you are in a position of severe depression you can not possibly understand how the irrational mind works, when suicide seems like the right approach to a problem that seems insurmountable and relentless.

So true! People don't make rational decisions to kill themselves. This is so typical of the general public ignorance and intolerance of mental illness and the ease at which we pass judgment on someone whose situation we cannot possibly understand.

 

[IndyZX]

Not that I expect it to make any difference in this neurosis-infested board, but maybe someone will read this and actually realize there's more to being successful than cutting throats to be the best at everything.

Yeah, cause that's what everyone on this board does. Please.

 

[leechy]

Yet he ended his life with his own hand. No matter how diffcult your life is, I think suicide is wrong. What do I know, though, it is just sad to see a famous and talented doctor end his own life.

I'm curious - what reasons do people have for suicide being morally wrong? I can think of one or two (i.e., leaving family behind), but they don't apply to all suicides.

 

[hy2026]

I'm curious - what reasons do people have for suicide being morally wrong? I can think of one or two (i.e., leaving family behind), but they don't apply to all suicides.

I do not know actually. I did not mean that it is morally wrong to commit suicide.

I wanted to commit suicide when I was in high school and it just seems silly now. I kind of meant it that way.

But certainly, I do not want to judge people who commit suicide. I mean, what do I know about morality and suicide?

 

[the other Dr.]

So basically if you commit suicide you are making an irrational decision and are not thinking clearly due to depression or drugs? Perhaps in many cases, but not always. I am sure there are people who make a rational decision to end their life. Either way, you can't make a judgement.

you missed the point.

 

[principessa]

A lot of people feel that suicide is morally wrong because they consider it a form of murder.

Aside from that, I think it's just selfish to kill yourself and leave your family behind. Not only have they lost you, but you're basically telling them, "You're not worth living for." What a horrible thing to do.

 

[Ajay]

I'm curious - what reasons do people have for suicide being morally wrong? I can think of one or two (i.e., leaving family behind), but they don't apply to all suicides.

Whether or not suicide is immoral depends on your moral code. Though many people believe that there is one set of morals, this is not true. Moral matters are very much matters of personal conscience, which means that each and every one of us has a personal responsibility to determine whether our behaviour is moral. I personally believe that power over one's own life is the greatest freedom one can have, thus making suicide an amoral act, not an immoral one.

I do not advocate a person randomly killing him/herself. In fact, ethical concerns can also weigh heavily into the equation, as one must consider one's family and friends and so on. Moreover, suicide resulting from depression is not a well thought out choice, because when the bouts of depression subside, one usually becomes less suicidal.

Just a few things to think about.

 

[medtechv79]

I don't think suicide is right either. I had a friend commit suicide and it leaves a lasting impact on everyone involved. WHat makes life soo bad u have to kill yerself? Actually don't answer that....there are ppl with a realy bad life...but its better to pull through than just give up and end it all.
Besides I think alot of suicide being wrong has to do with morality and religion which could be kinda a touchy subject.

 

[Ajay]

but its better to pull through than just give up and end it all

Let's all empathize a little.

 

[the other Dr.]

A lot of people feel that suicide is morally wrong because they consider it a form of murder.

Aside from that, I think it's just selfish to kill yourself and leave your family behind. Not only have they lost you, but you're basically telling them, "You're not worth living for." What a horrible thing to do.

Unless you come from a rotten family who couldn't care less if you off yourself.

 

[Ypo.]

Well, I'm with Dr. Kevorkian on this one. I think its your own right if you don't want to wear a seat belt or if you want to end your own life.

A close friend of mine committed suicide about 4 years ago -she had been suffering from borderline personality disorder. It was really hard for me-but I understand how miserable she was-and the fact that she was too poor to afford proper treatment. I don't judge her-and I don't think anyone else has the right too, either.

I know we're all potential doctors here and that we all have a deep respect for human life, so I understand the opinions that differ from mine, as well.

 

[skypilot]

I definitely understand suicide when someone is in the end stage of a painful terminal illness. They should have the choice too choose an end with dignity.

It is just sad to see it when someone is at the peak of their career ... or in the middle of a little teenage angst. 🙁

 

[HessExpress]

To that poster on the olympian guy....he wasn't a physician yet, he was a 4th year med student, but he did kill his wife who was a neurosurgeon before jumping to his own death.

 

[LauraMac]

Dr. David W. Golde, a world renowned expert in blood disorders, and the chief physician at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center died last week.
He committed suicide.

It is weird how people at the top end their lives. I mean, we are dying to go to any medical school, working our asses off. We would do anything to have what he had, to be at Cornell.

Yet he ended his life with his own hand. No matter how diffcult your life is, I think suicide is wrong. What do I know, though, it is just sad to see a famous and talented doctor end his own life.

you have no idea what his life was like. all you know is what he did for a career. you have no clue if he was depressed or had any other mental illness. maybe something really bad in his personal life just happened. maybe he had no one that loved him. i hate when people say, "i don't understand how he could have killed himself. he had everything!" well what the hell do you know? when kurt cobain killed himself my dad said, "what a *******. he had so much money. what the hell was wrong with him that he thought he had to kill himself?" well christ, his life probably sucked. you just can't see inside someone else's head, and it's not fair to make any judgment about something like this.

A lot of people feel that suicide is morally wrong because they consider it a form of murder.

Aside from that, I think it's just selfish to kill yourself and leave your family behind. Not only have they lost you, but you're basically telling them, "You're not worth living for." What a horrible thing to do.

I completely disagree with this, too. If you had to do something as drastic as kill yourself, your family and friends must have just sucked. They probably treated you like **** your whole life, so why should you care if they might be upset that you kill yourself?


anyway, i'm sorry for the rant. i apologize if i'm offending anyone.

 

[IndyZX]

I completely disagree with this, too. If you had to do something as drastic as kill yourself, your family and friends must have just sucked. They probably treated you like **** your whole life, so why should you care if they might be upset that you kill yourself?

They must have sucked? Must have? 🙄

You were just saying something like 'you don't even know him! how can you say that!!', and now you say that his parents and friends must have sucked? Do you know this guys family?

anyway, i'm sorry for the rant. i apologize if i'm offending anyone.

"I HATE JESUS AND EVERYONE WHO LOVES HIM! (Sorry if I offended anyone.)"

 

[dwightbean]

christ. irritating thread.

 

[LauraMac]

They must have sucked? Must have? 🙄

You were just saying something like 'you don't even know him! how can you say that!!', and now you say that his parents and friends must have sucked? Do you know this guys family?
"I HATE JESUS AND EVERYONE WHO LOVES HIM! (Sorry if I offended anyone.)"

you're right. i'm sorry. they didn't necessarily suck. but they might have. what i was trying to say, although i did it poorly, is that we have no idea what other people go through in their lives. all we can see is what is on the outside, and i don't think it's fair to make judgments based on that.

 

[Neuronix]

Those of you who don't know it already will find out what it takes to be a top academic these days. It's so competitive that these guys become total workaholics to get into their position. Their careers come before anything. They put in so much work that they go through drug addictions, divorces, and relative isolation to have success. When they hit a wall, it can all come crashing down quickly.

My old roommate put it best, "there's just something wrong with every researcher I know that makes it impossible for them to function like a normal human being." More reasons not to be an MD/PhD...

 

[leechy]

Those of you who don't know it already will find out what it takes to be a top academic these days. It's so competitive that these guys become total workaholics to get into their position. Their careers come before anything. They put in so much work that they go through drug addictions, divorces, and relative isolation to have success. When they hit a wall, it can all come crashing down quickly.

My old roommate put it best, "there's just something wrong with every researcher I know that makes it impossible for them to function like a normal human being." More reasons not to be an MD/PhD...

Wow, this is very scary - I know academics work extremely hard, but I didn't know it was this bad. I guess I'm not going to touch the MD/PhD business with a ten-foot pole.

 

[Fermata]

Aside from that, I think it's just selfish to kill yourself and leave your family behind. Not only have they lost you, but you're basically telling them, "You're not worth living for." What a horrible thing to do.

Agree 100%.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

you have no idea what his life was like. all you know is what he did for a career. you have no clue if he was depressed or had any other mental illness. maybe something really bad in his personal life just happened. maybe he had no one that loved him. i hate when people say, "i don't understand how he could have killed himself. he had everything!" well what the hell do you know? when kurt cobain killed himself my dad said, "what a *******. he had so much money. what the hell was wrong with him that he thought he had to kill himself?" well christ, his life probably sucked. you just can't see inside someone else's head, and it's not fair to make any judgment about something like this.




I completely disagree with this, too. If you had to do something as drastic as kill yourself, your family and friends must have just sucked. They probably treated you like **** your whole life, so why should you care if they might be upset that you kill yourself?


anyway, i'm sorry for the rant. i apologize if i'm offending anyone.

I totally agree with the first part of your "rant".