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Same old sad story
Try for the Federal Prisons and earn a rep for good work there. And re-enter residency.
Sigh. Another example of a screwed up system where residents are treated worse than the janitor - irrespective of mouthing off. Likely they deserved it too.
Buddy of mine did just this... got released from a general surgery program (as a PGY-5 no less) for too many mouthings-off to the OR ancillary staff.
Sigh. Another example of a screwed up system where residents are treated worse than the janitor - irrespective of mouthing off. Likely they deserved it too.
Treating support staff like crap is completely unacceptable behavior. I wouldn't tolerate it in a surgeon, nor a janitor. Both would be terminated.
Really? Really? If you fire a PGY5 for "mouthing off" you will find your program blacklisted by applicants, and rightfully so.
Really? Really? If you fire a PGY5 for "mouthing off" you will find your program blacklisted by applicants, and rightfully so.
I could not agree with you more. However, there are many, and I mean many who believe and tout this mantra that everyone is equal and equally valuable and should be treated equally. They want to make the phlebotomist who draws the blood on equal footing as the Surgeon who just performed a life altering surgery. This thinking has and is gaining traction and will probably get worse before it gets better. We are NOT all the same and the priveleges afforded physicians should not and do not need to be afforded phlebotomists, nurses, nursing assistants etc.Let me put it in the clearest possible wording: in the real world surgeons are valuable, anme. tcillary staffs are not valuable.
Let me put it in the clearest possible wording: in the real world surgeons are valuable, ancillary staffs are not valuable.
Mouthing off to ancillary staff as a surgeon... WHO CARES in my opinion... You cant teach everyone manners. But I agree, you have to try to be polite to everyone. One other observation, stress, long hours, awesomie responsibility, time pressure all come into play in that simple (mouthing off) incident. I know at times people can look at me right in the face and say good morning to me and I can just walk by just not even realizing i just ignored someone who was trying to be nice. Hard to spread sunshine everywhere.
Seriously. I repeat again - it's not 1975 anymore.
The days where surgeons (resident or attending ) get to throw instruments, berate staff, and generally act like petulant children are gone. In some backwards programs those days are dying a slow painful death. In the vast majority they are dead already.
And good riddance.
Well, to answer your rhetorical question, state medical boards care. Many, maybe most, of them have clauses about professional behavior, to include treatment of ancillary staff. Physicians can, and do, get formally penalized for their unruly behavior by their state's licensing authority.
That's actually false, by the way.
P.S. I hold multiple state licenses.
It's not false at all. I hold multiple state licenses as well.
Good, then you know you're wrong. In fact, you won't get denied any state license for that.
Oh, and before this turns into a pointless back and forth, since state license application forms are online, just point me to the state licensing authority that asks about this. It's really simple.
Before I do that, you'll have to point to some place I said anything about license denial or getting asked about this issue on an application. Here's a hint: you won't find it.
Oh, so when you say that "you'll be penalized" by the state licensing authority, other than not issuing you a license, what penalty do they lay on you? This is going to get hilarious.
There are all sorts of penalties available to a board short of license denial or revocation. Off the top of my head, one could be given a letter of reprimand, placed on probation, forced to pay a fine, or - as I've already mentioned - mandated to attend anger management counseling.
Oh, so when you apply for a state license, your contention is that they will grant it and reprimand you simultaneously? Or are you basically just making up stuff off the top of your head at this point?
The denial point was in reference to renewal, not initial application. You can keep trying to move the goal posts on this as much as you want, but it won't change the fact that you're the only one who has tried to make this about a license application. You're also speaking in circles in hopes that it will make you look smart. It's pure sophistry and it won't work. Everyone reading this thread can see it, except you, of course. You remind of this guy:
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Oh, so to be clear, you're claiming that you're only referring at this point to license RENEWALS now in unspecified states where physicians are supposedly given renewed licenses with simultaneous reprimands? Just to be clear.