MD & DO School "Research Symposium" Poster Listed on CV?

[TheBoneDoctah]

My school hosts a "research day/symposium" every year where students and residents can submit their work and present as a poster. From my understanding, pretty much everyone who submits their work is accepted.

Is this something that can be listed on my CV or should I only list regional/national conferences?

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[MSTPlease]

It gets listed. That’s part of why the ERAS “publications” numbers are so misleading.

 

[NickNaylor]

Definitely worth listing on your CV. Presentations are typically fair game for inclusion on CVs, and this would be a presentation - assuming you're actually presenting something.

 

[qrscomplex41]

Definitely worth listing on your CV. Presentations are typically fair game for inclusion on CVs, and this would be a presentation - assuming you're actually presenting something.

What about publication of a manuscript in your school's internal online journal? Can that be listed as a non-peer reviewed online publication in ERAS?

 

[qrscomplex41]

Do the research heavy fields frown upon including "publications" in your school's research symposiums or internal school journals?

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Definitely worth listing on your CV. Presentations are typically fair game for inclusion on CVs, and this would be a presentation - assuming you're actually presenting something.

What if you are 2nd/3rd author on the poster and did not present it? Do you still list it considering you put time into the project and it got presented as a poster?

 

[MSTPlease]

Do the research heavy fields frown upon including "publications" in your school's research symposiums or internal school journals?

Given how high their “publication” counts are, i doubt it.

What if you are 2nd/3rd author on the poster and did not present it? Do you still list it considering you put time into the project and it got presented as a poster?

Yes, it’s definitely listed.

 

[qrscomplex41]

Given how high their “publication” counts are, i doubt it.

I just assumed that was because so many people applying for those fields take research years.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Given how high their “publication” counts are, i doubt it.

What do you mean by this?

 

[Dox4lyfe]

What do you mean by this?

Average number of research activities/pubs for the competitive specialities are 10+ on NRMP charting outcomes since it includes things like posters, presentations, etc.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

This is kinda random, but does anyone know if there are any "places/websites" I can go for medical student assistance with publication fees? I know this is a long-shot, but my school informed me the other day that they wouldn't help pay the $750 open-access fee for my publication and, even though we paid this one, I am going to have a tough time coming up with that kinda money if I produce anything else publishable.

 

[MSTPlease]

I just assumed that was because so many people applying for those fields take research years.

Not really. My point is I did essentially 4 research years (a PhD) and got 3 publications in the way most people probably think when they say publications (peer-reviewed, primary research). I'm not even going to get into the differences between basic science vs clinical research vs case reports but given that "publications" on ERAS counts "first author nature paper" the same as "in-house middle author poster" I'm certain the double-digit averages for these specialties include those BS in-house research days at no penalty to the applicants. Sure, if that's the ONLY thing you have, it's not going to look good, but mixing it in with real stuff can't hurt. Don't forget college and other pre-medical school stuff is included in those counts too. My ERAS "publications" count was in the upper 30s and I wasn't even the most accomplished MD/PhD in my class. These numbers are meaningless.

 

[Dwan]

Not really. My point is I did essentially 4 research years (a PhD) and got 3 publications in the way most people probably think when they say publications (peer-reviewed, primary research). I'm not even going to get into the differences between basic science vs clinical research vs case reports but given that "publications" on ERAS counts "first author nature paper" the same as "in-house middle author poster" I'm certain the double-digit averages for these specialties include those BS in-house research days at no penalty to the applicants. Sure, if that's the ONLY thing you have, it's not going to look good, but mixing it in with real stuff can't hurt. Don't forget college and other pre-medical school stuff is included in those counts too. My ERAS "publications" count was in the upper 30s and I wasn't even the most accomplished MD/PhD in my class. These numbers are meaningless.

There's also widespread publication misrepresentation in every top field. Not only are people 4x counting the same poster presented at multiple settings, but the majority of "submitted" manuscripts disappear after application season. For example, from a study of dermatology applicants at UC Davis, Armstrong et al:
"Combined, the 317 applicants listed a total of 979 publications. Of these, 421 were published and 558 were listed as in preparation, submitted, or in press. Of the 558 unpublished manuscripts, 91 (16.3%) were eventually published. Among the 17 randomly chosen manuscripts that had been reported as “submitted to the JAAD,” only 6 manuscripts (35%) were indeed submitted to the JAAD according to the electronic submission tracking database."

A quick google search of "publication misrepresentation" shows it's prominent everywhere. To the OP, it's definitely fair to list it as long as you are honest about what it is, other applicants do far worse things.

 

[akuko2]

What if you are 2nd/3rd author on the poster and did not present it? Do you still list it considering you put time into the project and it got presented as a poster?

I would. I'm doing this for similar projects that I spent a decent amount of time working on, if anyone asks me abt it I'll just explain how my work contributed to the project. I've heard of other ppl putting lesser things on their CV, so I'm going to pack mine until someone tells me otherwise.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Another question:

What if you presented a project at your school symposium as a poster, but then presented that same project at a national conference. Would you only list the national conference on your C.V. since that is the "better" citation, or would you list both?

Also, I gave an oral/podium presentation at a regional conference and the conference printed a program with all the abstracts and the entire schedule of the conference. Would this be considered an "abstract publication?" I wouldn't think so because it's not an official journal, but I am not sure.

 

[Stagg737]

Another question:

What if you presented a project at your school symposium as a poster, but then presented that same project at a national conference. Would you only list the national conference on your C.V. since that is the "better" citation, or would you list both?

Also, I gave an oral/podium presentation at a regional conference and the conference printed a program with all the abstracts and the entire schedule of the conference. Would this be considered an "abstract publication?" I wouldn't think so because it's not an official journal, but I am not sure.

Both. Two separate presentations warrant two experiences. To the second one, if you presented a piece of your own published work at a conference then you'd mention the talk and the actual publication. If I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, then having the abstract printed in the booklet/agenda of speakers at the conference wouldn't be a separate line on your CV unless that booklet was published/distributed outside of that conference.

As an aside, you can also list research/presentations/lectures delivered from before med school in ERAS. I listed 2 presentations (lectures) on research I did from UG and grad school and was asked about them positively at interviews.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Both. Two separate presentations warrant two experiences. To the second one, if you presented a piece of your own published work at a conference then you'd mention the talk and the actual publication. If I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, then having the abstract printed in the booklet/agenda of speakers at the conference wouldn't be a separate line on your CV unless that booklet was published/distributed outside of that conference.

As an aside, you can also list research/presentations/lectures delivered from before med school in ERAS. I listed 2 presentations (lectures) on research I did from UG and grad school and was asked about them positively at interviews.

Yeah, it was just the abstract in the booklet for th conferences.

 

[Stagg737]

Yeah, it was just the abstract in the booklet for th conferences.

Others may disagree, but I wouldn't include it. Probably wouldn't be a big deal if you did though.

 

[NotaCop]

Yeah, it was just the abstract in the booklet for th conferences.

Published abstract usually refers to when it is included in a supplement to a real journal, thus you would be able to find it online via their index and it would have its own full citation. This most commonly happens with national conferences and annual meeting but may also be the case for smaller ones too.

So no, in this case you would not list it as such.