Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
Not interested in overseas, btw.
And nasrudin, yes, agreed on all points, and all of those factors are the main factors I have already accounted for in my initial selections for 2011. Just wanted to get input on this one issue I had an open question about.
I am one of those lawyers, Old Grunt ... there should be more of us!
I'm really not concerned about not getting in because of my age, or about "discrimination". I was thinking more about school "cultures", and the goal of my inquiry was simply efficiency: one of the various facets of the best bang for the application buck factor (especially with all the schools that give automatic secondaries, or automatic secondaries based on numbers, which means an extra 75-100 bucks or so a pop; you gotta choose smart).
p.s., don't worry mspeedwagon. I promise I won't whine about anything on this forum, and in any event the MCAT score is just fine.
Your best bet is almost always your state schools, especially if you live in a state that protects its med school seats for state residents. As others have already suggested, there is no school that discriminates against older applicants. There *are* some schools where nontrads tend to congregate, but that is a matter of personal preference as much as anything.Are there med schools that are known or perceived to be especially willing -- or reluctant -- to accept uber non-traditional (i.e., second career, nearing 40) students?
I am one of those lawyers, Old Grunt ... there should be more of us!
I'm really not concerned about not getting in because of my age, or about "discrimination". I was thinking more about school "cultures", and the goal of my inquiry was simply efficiency: one of the various facets of the best bang for the application buck factor (especially with all the schools that give automatic secondaries, or automatic secondaries based on numbers, which means an extra 75-100 bucks or so a pop; you gotta choose smart).
p.s., don't worry mspeedwagon. I promise I won't whine about anything on this forum, and in any event the MCAT score is just fine.
there is no school that discriminates against older applicants. QUOTE]
I had to laugh at this. Of course, no school "officially" discriminates. But I can say, after having interviewed at several programs, that there are schools who make it clear that they are not interested in the older applicant. And too, it may just be the individual interviewer you get on a particular day who has that particular bias. But I was told on a couple of occasions, and in very definite terms, that I was wasting an interview slot that would be better given to a younger applicant.
Yes, no one officially discriminates, but as has been mentioned in other threads, if you think discrimination doesn't happen at all, you are being incredibly naive.
Luckily, there are schools that are very willing to court the older applicant.
But I was told on a couple of occasions, and in very definite terms, that I was wasting an interview slot that would be better given to a younger applicant.
Dude, half the folks here are talking through their ****.
There ARE non-traditional friendly schools. I know this because the dean of my school acknowledged that they look for and actively recruit second career older students. Indeed, my class if full of non-traditional students. The names are out there, I can name a couple, but will only do so if you PM me.
Btw, I'm in an american MD school if that matters to you.
While some schools are more active than others in trying to "court the older applicant," med schools cannot have a policy of discrimination against older applicants. To have such a policy would be illegal. I'll grant you that individual interviewers and adcoms can and do have biases, but biases exist against many groups, not just nontrads. There are also adcoms who are biased in favor of otherwise qualified nontrads, including myself.I had to laugh at this. Of course, no school "officially" discriminates. But I can say, after having interviewed at several programs, that there are schools who make it clear that they are not interested in the older applicant. And too, it may just be the individual interviewer you get on a particular day who has that particular bias. But I was told on a couple of occasions, and in very definite terms, that I was wasting an interview slot that would be better given to a younger applicant.
Yes, no one officially discriminates, but as has been mentioned in other threads, if you think discrimination doesn't happen at all, you are being incredibly naive.
Luckily, there are schools that are very willing to court the older applicant.
Again, the fact that some schools are less active in recruiting nontrads does not mean they are biased against nontrads and will not accept qualified nontrads into their class.PAGuyana said:There ARE non-traditional friendly schools. I know this because the dean of my school acknowledged that they look for and actively recruit second career older students. Indeed, my class if full of non-traditional students. The names are out there, I can name a couple, but will only do so if you PM me.
Dude, half the folks here are talking through their ****.
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I hate squashing nuts here with some of those here, but take a look at the University of Penn. stats. Every year, almost w/o fail, the average age of their class is 23 with range of 21-28. Now how non-traditional friendly do you think they are???? I'm talking for non-traditionals in their late 30s or 40s.
http://www.med.upenn.edu/admiss/2006_class.html
Look, you can't discriminate based on age, I'm not arguing, but almost any medical school can choose a class pool and justify their decision on whatever basis w/o letting on to an alternative agenda. And the fact is there are medical school where older students/non-traditionals have a better shot--law or no law. Just like their is no age discrimination in the work force, fat discrimination, ugly discrimination, race discrimination, etc.
Yes, of course Law2Doc, no one over 30 with competitive stats applies to Penn but yet they can be found at other schools...yes, of course.
And let's qualify the discussion here, the OP's question was about the type of non-traditional applicants pushing 40 switching careers, not a 28 y/o who took a couple of years off to travel the world...
And btw, this is not all a number's game. I'm sure work experience and life experience matters, but apparently to some schools more than others.
Yes, of course Law2Doc, no one over 30 with competitive stats applies to Penn but yet they can be found at other schools...yes, of course.
And let's qualify the discussion here, the OP's question was about the type of non-traditional applicants pushing 40 switching careers, not a 28 y/o who took a couple of years off to travel the world...
And btw, this is not all a number's game. I'm sure work experience and life experience matters, but apparently to some schools more than others.
Besides what L2D already pointed out, keep in mind that the reported range is only for the *matriculants,* not the acceptees. In other words, a 35-year-old who was accepted to Penn but chose to matriculate elsewhere would not show up on that page. And again, we need to compare apples to apples. How many 35+ year-old nontrads will have a stats power combination of a 3.8+ GPA and a 35+ MCAT? Even the majority of trads can only wish they had stats like that.Yes, of course Law2Doc, no one over 30 with competitive stats applies to Penn but yet they can be found at other schools...yes, of course.
I pointed out that there is discrimination, period. Fat discrimination, ugly discrimination, boring discrimination, alma mater discrimination. Whenever there's one or more human beings between you and what you want, the decision is necessarily subjective.weren't you the one pointing out the other day that there is age discrimination in residencies? I didn't think it just began at that level....
Rejection hurts.
I agree.Doesn't mean they don't accept 30s/40s people, but you just got to be stellar. Like the youngens they accept.
...Of course, if you're a superstar and you're excellent at everything, then the world is your oyster.
There are students of all ages at all med schools across the country. There are no schools that are "non-trad phobic".
Now, having said that, I've been flat out told I didn't get an interview because I was "outside the normal age range for our med school applicants." But I also happen to know that it has students my age. And no, I won't name names. It's a fine institution. They just didn't like me and couldn't (wouldn't?) say why.
Apply broadly. Put your best foot forward and give it your best shot. Don't *not* apply to schools because you *think* they don't want a non-trad. They all want the best applicants they can get that fit their school. Make them want you. If you're the best applicant, you'll get acceptances. And grow a thick skin. Rejection hurts.
I read ya'. Sounds like there's probably not any "definitely do" or "definitely don't" schools. So unless someone tells me otherwise, I'll just keep it at the factors already in my calculus.
I personally find it very hard to gauge the "does this community have any use for me and my experiences factor?" (don't they all? or the flip side, who does?) or the "would I fit in?" (I generally feel fine wherever I am). So aside from geography (I'm not that picky), cost (it's all a lot of money, even Cali in state now!), so-called "rank" (whatev'), it's darn hard to narrow things. I'm thinking dart board.
Fitting an environment or a relationship is still extremely important in the adult world, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a pubescent cliqueishness. Would you marry someone you didn't feel you had a good fit with? Have you ever been on a date with someone that had all the right traits "on paper" so to speak but you just didn't like them?That's funny about the "fitting in" factor - the last time I felt like I didn't fit in was, maybe, when I was... 14? I will take some flack for this, but the whole process seems vaguely adolescent to me...
Now, having said that, I've been flat out told I didn't get an interview because I was "outside the normal age range for our med school applicants." But I also happen to know that it has students my age. And no, I won't name names. It's a fine institution. They just didn't like me and couldn't (wouldn't?) say why.
Fitting an environment or a relationship is still extremely important in the adult world, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a pubescent cliqueishness. Would you marry someone you didn't feel you had a good fit with? Have you ever been on a date with someone that had all the right traits "on paper" so to speak but you just didn't like them?
Whether or not an ADCOM likes you is an entirely subjective and arbitrary process. If they don't, chances are you wouldn't fit at that school anyway. I wouldn't want to spend four years of my life up close and personal with someone I wasn't compatible with.