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[ChineseKid]

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Hey guys

Googled and searched the forum but there wasn't any topic on this, so I asked 😀

In addition, are there any sort of charts for the average MCAT, GPA for each scool like there are for MD/DO forum?

Sorry for asking so much, just started researching into DPM


Cheers!

 

[dyk343]

All schools will take your money. Not all residencies will give you a residency. Particularly the Veterans affairs, or VA residencies. Its harder for Canadians without a green card but there are still plenty that make it thru.

 

[hamptongirl]

Hey guys

Googled and searched the forum but there wasn't any topic on this, so I asked 😀

In addition, are there any sort of charts for the average MCAT, GPA for each scool like there are for MD/DO forum?

Sorry for asking so much, just started researching into DPM


Cheers!

Have you shadowed podiatrists in Canada?
What is the scope of practice in canada?
I'd be interested in knowing if podiatry is a well established career in Canada.
Are chiropodys a direct competition to podiatrists?

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Hey guys

Googled and searched the forum but there wasn't any topic on this, so I asked 😀

In addition, are there any sort of charts for the average MCAT, GPA for each scool like there are for MD/DO forum?

Sorry for asking so much, just started researching into DPM


Cheers!

There is a very comprehensive booklet about this put together by the APMA. I'm on my iPod right now, but if no ones links it to you, I'll get to it in a couple hours after class. Or you can google for it.

also, a while back some members made some spreadsheets with the school breakdown. This was during the summer like June/July if you wanna look for those too.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Okay I lied. It's not the APMA that puts the book out - it's the AACPM. This explains why I always have such a hard time finding it when I google for it.

Here's the link. Obviously, you can download the pdf if you don't want to have to keep searching for it.

http://www.aacpm.org/html/careerzone/pdfs/AACPM CIB-2013 Entering Class.pdf

 

[ChineseKid]

Okay I lied. It's not the APMA that puts the book out - it's the AACPM. This explains why I always have such a hard time finding it when I google for it.

Here's the link. Obviously, you can download the pdf if you don't want to have to keep searching for it.

http://www.aacpm.org/html/careerzone/pdfs/AACPM CIB-2013 Entering Class.pdf

Have you shadowed podiatrists in Canada?
What is the scope of practice in canada?
I'd be interested in knowing if podiatry is a well established career in Canada.
Are chiropodys a direct competition to podiatrists?

@Max: Thanks for the link. I shall read it right now!
@hamptongirl: I have not shadowed any podiatrist in Canada, mainly because the profession is not well know. As you may know, Canada is divided into provinces and a lot of the medical jurisdictions are provincial. Therefore, only in some provinces are there podiatric 'doctors.' In addition, the profession podiatrist is just not well known in Canada. Most of our foot 'doctors' (I say this because I read somewhere we cant call podiatric doctors) are actually chiropodtrics

 

[ChineseKid]

so anyone got any more inputs?

it seems like all schools except Des Monies are ok with Canadians (?)

 

[ManUnderFire]

so anyone got any more inputs?

it seems like all schools except Des Monies are ok with Canadians (?)

exactly

 

[ChineseKid]

exactly

right, but someone mentioned how Canadians wont get residency

 

[heeltoe]

right, but someone mentioned how Canadians wont get residency

Only certain hospitals/programs accept foreign graduates (Canadians for example). I should rephrase that, only a few programs will actually sponsor the visa you would need once you graduate. As long as you are careful about what programs you apply to and ensure that they sponsor the appropriate visa you should be fine. It is not required that you have a green card, this may make things easier but it is not a requirement. There are Canadians (and other foreign grads) that graduate every year and all of them find residencies.

 

[darazon]

Be careful with Midwestern. Unless they changed their policy, International students must have the cost of attendance for the entire 4 years (tuition and living expenses) in a US bank account before they will authorize your visa papers.

 

[ManUnderFire]

Only certain hospitals/programs accept foreign graduates (Canadians for example). I should rephrase that, only a few programs will actually sponsor the visa you would need once you graduate. As long as you are careful about what programs you apply to and ensure that they sponsor the appropriate visa you should be fine. It is not required that you have a green card, this may make things easier but it is not a requirement. There are Canadians (and other foreign grads) that graduate every year and all of them find residencies.

This is what I was told at my interviews. Of course it places an added challenge to our plates, but obtaining residency as a foreigner is not a challenge that hasn't been overcome before.

 

[ChineseKid]

I would like to keep all the Canadian questions in this thread in case people need to read up on as well.

so..
how do fellow Canadians contact DPM for shadowing and LORs?
I managed to email/call a few local DPMs and even contact BC's Podiatrist Association. Yet, either I get ignored or turned down.
Am I doing something wrong?

 

[ManUnderFire]

I would like to keep all the Canadian questions in this thread in case people need to read up on as well.

so..
how do fellow Canadians contact DPM for shadowing and LORs?
I managed to email/call a few local DPMs and even contact BC's Podiatrist Association. Yet, either I get ignored or turned down.
Am I doing something wrong?

First email. Then call. Then show-up to their office (invited or not) with your CV, in this order. It's much harder to reject someone to their face. Eventually someone will give you the time of day. Also, keep emails and phone calls as short as possible (people are lazy readers/listeners) and try not to divulge too much information....don't tell them you NEED to shadow 20hrs right off the bat! Just say you'd like to speak with the pod about your future options in podiatry...when you're finally standing in front of the pod, that is the time to strike and ask to shadow. Like I said before, harder to reject someone when they're standing in your face.

 

[ChineseKid]

Hmm interesting

seems like my approach was too direct then.
Will try your method!

 

[RyRy89]

How would one know which residency programs would sponsor Canadians? The possibility of not matching to a residency is a BIG problem for me if i'm going to be shelling out close to 200K in tuition. I know it's nowhere near the same issue as trying to get a residency from a Carib MD school, but it makes me a little uneasy knowing there's a chance I might spend 200K and not match😱

 

[ManUnderFire]

How would one know which residency programs would sponsor Canadians? The possibility of not matching to a residency is a BIG problem for me if i'm going to be shelling out close to 200K in tuition. I know it's nowhere near the same issue as trying to get a residency from a Carib MD school, but it makes me a little uneasy knowing there's a chance I might spend 200K and not match😱

First look here

http://www.casprcrip.org/html/casprcrip/pdf/Directory/Dir_Citizenship_mlc.pdf

Then here for program specific details of the programs available to you.

http://www.casprcrip.org/html/casprcrip/directory.asp

Remember, you don't necessarily need to match into programs that offer H1-Bs, although this would be best right off the bat if you want to remain in the US permanently. J1 visa programs require you to come back to Canada for at least 2 years before returning to the US....so there are options. The field is not as limited as most would have you believe.

 

[RyRy89]

First look here

http://www.casprcrip.org/html/casprcrip/pdf/Directory/Dir_Citizenship_mlc.pdf

Then here for program specific details of the programs available to you.

http://www.casprcrip.org/html/casprcrip/directory.asp

Remember, you don't necessarily need to match into programs that offer H1-Bs, although this would be best right off the bat if you want to remain in the US permanently. J1 visa programs require you to come back to Canada for at least 2 years before returning to the US....so there are options. The field is not as limited as most would have you believe.

Would it be correct to say that doing well on the exams would allow me to be competitive enough to match into a residency?

 

[buBBa15]

Would it be correct to say that doing well on the exams would allow me to be competitive enough to match into a residency?

Well that is an idea well established and frankly encouraged....

 

[josebiwasabi]

Would it be correct to say that doing well on the exams would allow me to be competitive enough to match into a residency?

getting good grades won't guarantee you a residency spot but it'll keep your doors open. this is important, because as an international student you can't apply to a lot of residency programs. that said, you don't want to be one of those people ranked in the top quarter of their class with terrible people skills. the clinical years are a whole different ball game.

having good grades will never hurt you. a person with terrible grades and terrible clinical skills probably won't (and shouldn't, for the sake of the profession...) get a residency. a person with great grades and terrible clinical skills will probably get a residency somewhere. maybe not one that they wanted, but they'll get one.

 

[heeltoe]

Remember, you don't necessarily need to match into programs that offer H1-Bs, although this would be best right off the bat if you want to remain in the US permanently. J1 visa programs require you to come back to Canada for at least 2 years before returning to the US....so there are options. The field is not as limited as most would have you believe.

I would double check your info. You are right about the going back to the home country but I disagree with not matching into an H1B program.

Hospitals that offer J1 visas typically do so for researchers and post docs not residents. The H1B is the one that is needed for residency and employment through residency as per the definitions outlined by the visa.

Foreign students going into 3-4 year should really look into this as the hospitals and caspr and anyone else who hasnt gone through this process is generally clueless or wrong. Hospital HR's are usually a good place for info confirming visa status/requirements. Hospitals that do the H1B will be able to answer you immediately as to what visa you need when you call them.

 

[TheFootDoc]

Would it be correct to say that doing well on the exams would allow me to be competitive enough to match into a residency?

1. Study hard.

2. Be com/passionate.

3. Give your 100% at whatever it is you're doing.

We are all here to learn and there are time and place for different kinds of learning. As long as you can do the 1-2-3 above, I don't see why a program would not like you regardless of your status.

A few weeks ago a residency director told me that in general a program would accept an applicant as long as they "like" the applicant regardless of visa status (of course the program must be a willing sponsor of the H1B Visa). Is it an uphill battle? Probably. But as they say, you miss a 100% of shots you don't take.

Good luck 👍

 

[RyRy89]

Just giving Canadians a heads up that I visited RBC and BMO and neither bank was willing to offer me a high enough LOC to cover tuition and expenses. RBC has a set maximum of $75,000 over 4 years for podiatry, and BMO has a set maximum of $100,000. I did read of some people getting $200,000 offers in the distant past but that was probably because they grouped podiatry into Medical/Dental which they no longer do. Both banks said they may be able to get more depending on how well my complete financial colonoscopy goes but the chances of me getting close to $200k for school is unlikely. When I asked for the reason why banks were not giving out as much when the potential for earnings was high, they told me that it's because those earning potentials are only in the USA and not in Canada, which carries a bigger risk.

 

[darazon]

I would like to keep all the Canadian questions in this thread in case people need to read up on as well.

so..
how do fellow Canadians contact DPM for shadowing and LORs?
I managed to email/call a few local DPMs and even contact BC's Podiatrist Association. Yet, either I get ignored or turned down.
Am I doing something wrong?

Contact Dr, Green. He will hook you up. He was the residency director for the old Vancouver program.

Dr. Howard Green, DABPS, FACFAS
Head, Dept of Podiatry
Vancouver General Hospital
University of British Columbia

E: [email protected]
T: 604-560-5588

 

[darazon]

Just giving Canadians a heads up that I visited RBC and BMO and neither bank was willing to offer me a high enough LOC to cover tuition and expenses. RBC has a set maximum of $75,000 over 4 years for podiatry, and BMO has a set maximum of $100,000. I did read of some people getting $200,000 offers in the distant past but that was probably because they grouped podiatry into Medical/Dental which they no longer do. Both banks said they may be able to get more depending on how well my complete financial colonoscopy goes but the chances of me getting close to $200k for school is unlikely. When I asked for the reason why banks were not giving out as much when the potential for earnings was high, they told me that it's because those earning potentials are only in the USA and not in Canada, which carries a bigger risk.

I told RBC I was going to Podiatric Medical School. They interpreted it as medical school and I got 150k. They now offer 200K for med.

You can still get government loans during your time. The max lifetime is 150k -not including grants, which includes your undergrad.

 

[darazon]

I would double check your info. You are right about the going back to the home country but I disagree with not matching into an H1B program.

Hospitals that offer J1 visas typically do so for researchers and post docs not residents. The H1B is the one that is needed for residency and employment through residency as per the definitions outlined by the visa.

Foreign students going into 3-4 year should really look into this as the hospitals and caspr and anyone else who hasnt gone through this process is generally clueless or wrong. Hospital HR's are usually a good place for info confirming visa status/requirements. Hospitals that do the H1B will be able to answer you immediately as to what visa you need when you call them.

Agreed.

Do not rely on CASPR for your visa info. You can start there, but many programs will actually offer the H1B even though CASPR says no. Also, many programs that say they accept visas do not. Talk to HR.

 

[ChineseKid]

Contact Dr, Green. He will hook you up. He was the residency director for the old Vancouver program.

Dr. Howard Green, DABPS, FACFAS
Head, Dept of Podiatry
Vancouver General Hospital
University of British Columbia

E: [email protected]
T: 604-560-5588

Thanks mate
Will do

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[ManUnderFire]

Just giving Canadians a heads up that I visited RBC and BMO and neither bank was willing to offer me a high enough LOC to cover tuition and expenses. RBC has a set maximum of $75,000 over 4 years for podiatry, and BMO has a set maximum of $100,000. I did read of some people getting $200,000 offers in the distant past but that was probably because they grouped podiatry into Medical/Dental which they no longer do. Both banks said they may be able to get more depending on how well my complete financial colonoscopy goes but the chances of me getting close to $200k for school is unlikely. When I asked for the reason why banks were not giving out as much when the potential for earnings was high, they told me that it's because those earning potentials are only in the USA and not in Canada, which carries a bigger risk.

My experience with RBC exactly-75K max. Very dissatisfied with my experience with that jabroni bank. BMO max'd out at 200K initially, but I was only offered 50K in the end because my cosigners are not ballers. TD required me to have TD customer cosigners who are ballers as well. Take home message: podiatry is not medicine, and banks are as happy to welcome your business as an applicant on EI....unless you have baller cosigners (in which case banks are actually welcoming their business; not yours).

I told RBC I was going to Podiatric Medical School. They interpreted it as medical school and I got 150k. They now offer 200K for med.

You can still get government loans during your time. The max lifetime is 150k -not including grants, which includes your undergrad.

Perhaps this semantic interpretation washed a few years ago, but times have changed. EVERY bank I went to initially categorized my file under med/dent with 200K max ceilings, but when it came down to authorizing my loan, suddenly podiatry was not medicine and the most I was offered was 120K by National Bank (NBC). There is no 'fooling' the bank.

Dunno about other provinces, but gov loans max out at 75K in Quebec.

 

[RyRy89]

I told RBC I was going to Podiatric Medical School. They interpreted it as medical school and I got 150k. They now offer 200K for med.

You can still get government loans during your time. The max lifetime is 150k -not including grants, which includes your undergrad.

This must have been a while ago because all RBC financial advisers have access to the online chart for professional loans and they have a separate section for podiatry which as mentioned before, maxes out at 75k. The girl I spoke with called the risk assessment dept (Who essentially finalizes the deal) and they told me they MAY be able to stretch the limit to 120k but I would need 2 very well qualified co-signers. Long story short I most likely won't have enough money to go to NYCPM even if I get an offer of acceptance.

The harsh reality now and for the distant future in Canada is that Podiatry will never ever be equal to dental/medical in terms of job outlook and earning potential IN CANADA. Banks don't give 10 cents if you make 100,000+ in the US because how do they expect to keep you as a customer if you ultimately have to move to the states.

 

[JetsFan]

My experience with RBC exactly-75K max. Very dissatisfied with my experience with that jabroni bank. BMO max'd out at 200K initially, but I was only offered 50K in the end because my cosigners are not ballers. TD required me to have TD customer cosigners who are ballers as well. Take home message: podiatry is not medicine, and banks are as happy to welcome your business as an applicant on EI....unless you have baller cosigners (in which case banks are actually welcoming their business; not yours).



Perhaps this semantic interpretation washed a few years ago, but times have changed. EVERY bank I went to initially categorized my file under med/dent with 200K max ceilings, but when it came down to authorizing my loan, suddenly podiatry was not medicine and the most I was offered was 120K by National Bank (NBC). There is no 'fooling' the bank.

Dunno about other provinces, but gov loans max out at 75K in Quebec.

So what is your plan on financing pod school? Really stressed about this. Can we have more than one LOC?

 

[ManUnderFire]

So what is your plan on financing pod school? Really stressed about this. Can we have more than one LOC?

it's a pickle, no doubt. Technically, you can have more than one LOC, and having one does NOT disqualify you from having a second. The key is to have solid cosigners. So, even though a bank like RBC max's at 75K, if you had cosigners who could financially carry a much heavier burden, there is no reason why you cannot get an LOC from another bank and combine the two to finance your pod adventure. But, I would try TD and/or BMO first since they don't have a specific max or have a higher limit, respectively, for podiatry. All they care about are your cosigners. Remember, banks don't care about what you're studying so much as who your cosigners are (and by 'who' I mean how much financial clout they have). The richer the better.

I know that the CPEF (canadian podiatry education foundation) based in Vancouver offers interest free loans to students studying pod in the US. However, you must apply yearly and there is no guarantee of renewal. Just google their site, and if you wish to apply click on the link on the right side to print a copy of the the mail-in application (Student Assistance Program First Application). The application itself is ghetto looking, which prompted me to email BC podiatry (Pod licensing body in BC) to ask whether CPEF is legit. They are.

The loans are need-based and basically serve to supplement any and all financial means you have available to you (LOC). So, if you can get your hands on at least 120K from National Bank or TD or BMO (which will cover tuition, fees with some leftover change) and then get a few grand from CPEF, you'll only be short 60K. Where will that money come from? Beats the hell out of me.

I don't want to discourage anyone from pursuing their dreams, in any form or by any avenue, but for myself...the thought of being in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt in an economy with continuing cuts to healthcare and provider reimbursements just doesn't seem prudent; especially when education in Canada is so friggin cheap! The fact that podiatry is not even firmly established in the US is also something to consider. Add to this the struggle to even find enough money to pay for all 4yrs of education....an LOC, borrowing money from everyone you know, applying for need-based loans such as CPEF, ALL without the guarantee of a residency (or a good one at least) nor landing the right visa type (H1-B) to remain in the US after residency, and then the uphill climb of finding a job in the US as a foreigner (even though the gap between the US and Canada is slimmer than ever before) is a bit much for me. Now, add to this the fact that I will have to put my mom and her boyfriend as cosigners on the LOC, which when dealing with money, is a sticky proposition even when family is concerned; never mind a step-dad!

Has it been done before? Absolutely. Can it be done again? I really believe so. But I don't know any pods currently practicing that have graduated recently...that is to say, while tuition was as crazy expensive as it is now. The pod I shadowed graduated from NYCPM in the 80s, while tuition was only 6K per year. She also had a rich uncle who paid for everything, including her upper-east side single apartment. So, her case was an exception and not the rule. So, I have no examples to follow. And I am no trail blazer.

In my daily life, I tend to err on the side of caution... and their is nothing cautious about pursuing podiatry in the US as a Canadian. But I suppose at the end of the day, it really boils down to the matter of 'how badly do you want it?' As for myself, I have clearly proven with my doubts, reservations, and lack of sufficient desire that I don't want it bad enough.

 

[JetsFan]

it's a pickle, no doubt. Technically, you can have more than one LOC, and having one does NOT disqualify you from having a second. The key is to have solid cosigners. So, even though a bank like RBC max's at 75K, if you had cosigners who could financially carry a much heavier burden, there is no reason why you cannot get an LOC from another bank and combine the two to finance your pod adventure. But, I would try TD and/or BMO first since they don't have a specific max or have a higher limit, respectively, for podiatry. All they care about are your cosigners. Remember, banks don't care about what you're studying so much as who your cosigners are (and by 'who' I mean how much financial clout they have). The richer the better.

I know that the CPEF (canadian podiatry education foundation) based in Vancouver offers interest free loans to students studying pod in the US. However, you must apply yearly and there is no guarantee of renewal. Just google their site, and if you wish to apply click on the link on the right side to print a copy of the the mail-in application (Student Assistance Program First Application). The application itself is ghetto looking, which prompted me to email BC podiatry (Pod licensing body in BC) to ask whether CPEF is legit. They are.

The loans are need-based and basically serve to supplement any and all financial means you have available to you (LOC). So, if you can get your hands on at least 120K from National Bank or TD or BMO (which will cover tuition, fees with some leftover change) and then get a few grand from CPEF, you'll only be short 60K. Where will that money come from? Beats the hell out of me.

I don't want to discourage anyone from pursuing their dreams, in any form or by any avenue, but for myself...the thought of being in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt in an economy with continuing cuts to healthcare and provider reimbursements just doesn't seem prudent; especially when education in Canada is so friggin cheap! The fact that podiatry is not even firmly established in the US is also something to consider. Add to this the struggle to even find enough money to pay for all 4yrs of education....an LOC, borrowing money from everyone you know, applying for need-based loans such as CPEF, ALL without the guarantee of a residency (or a good one at least) nor landing the right visa type (H1-B) to remain in the US after residency, and then the uphill climb of finding a job in the US as a foreigner (even though the gap between the US and Canada is slimmer than ever before) is a bit much for me. Now, add to this the fact that I will have to put my mom and her boyfriend as cosigners on the LOC, which when dealing with money, is a sticky proposition even when family is concerned; never mind a step-dad!

Has it been done before? Absolutely. Can it be done again? I really believe so. But I don't know any pods currently practicing that have graduated recently...that is to say, while tuition was as crazy expensive as it is now. The pod I shadowed graduated from NYCPM in the 80s, while tuition was only 6K per year. She also had a rich uncle who paid for everything, including her upper-east side single apartment. So, her case was an exception and not the rule. So, I have no examples to follow. And I am no trail blazer.

In my daily life, I tend to err on the side of caution... and their is nothing cautious about pursuing podiatry in the US as a Canadian. But I suppose at the end of the day, it really boils down to the matter of 'how badly do you want it?' As for myself, I have clearly proven with my doubts, reservations, and lack of sufficient desire that I don't want it bad enough.

Hence why I am considering giving it up and going to med in the caribbean

 

[StudentDPM2016]

At first I thought attending NYCPM would be way more expensive than going to any other medical school, but after all is said and done I pay about 42,000$/year which includes tuition, living, & spending money for the entire year. Yes, it's still expensive especially if you don't have a means of financial aid help from the government.. but there are a lot of perks of living in this city - you're not paying for a car, you're not paying for insurance on that car, you can get almost anywhere, and the city has an endless number of study places & resources.

 

[ManUnderFire]

At first I thought attending NYCPM would be way more expensive than going to any other medical school, but after all is said and done I pay about 42,000$/year which includes tuition, living, & spending money for the entire year. Yes, it's still expensive especially if you don't have a means of financial aid help from the government.. but there are a lot of perks of living in this city - you're not paying for a car, you're not paying for insurance on that car, you can get almost anywhere, and the city has an endless number of study places & resources.

42K a year? 🙄 You must have a background in management, because NYCPM tuition plus fees alone is 29.8K leaving you only 12.2K per year for food, rent, clothes, phone, electricity, materials, hygiene, and leisure. Renting at the Heritage is 10.8K per year at the cheapest. Something doesn't add up...you have a hook-up, don't ya?

 

[ChineseKid]

Man, I keep hearing how NY is a very expensive place to live. Hence why I never really looked into it.

If 40k to 50k a year is viable, not bad. Not bad at all. This is for international rates right?

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[RyRy89]

Man, I keep hearing how NY is a very expensive place to live. Hence why I never really looked into it.

If 40k to 50k a year is viable, not bad. Not bad at all. This is for international rates right?

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$50,000 per year is a fairly standard amount including living expenses. I don't have rich parents or a $200,000 trust fund and therefore I have a very slim chance of actually going to the school.

 

[darazon]

Dunno about other provinces, but gov loans max out at 75K in Quebec.

You get 150K in Alberta.

It's not about fooling the banks. It about positioning yourself correctly. You need to find a banker who is willing to help you. I happened to run into a banker who knew someone that I knew. She was great and was able to get me my 150k -no problems.

If your from Quebec and your fluent in French, you might want to check out Trois-Rivières. The tuition is cheap. Your 4th year you do your clinical rotations through NYCPM. You can also transfer to NYCPM and get a DPM degree and get a residency. That way you only pay 1 year of DPM school. I know a couple of people who have done this.