Schools that one probably shouldn't apply to (mostly in-state, feeders, etc.)?

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Anybody know what these schools are? Perhaps we could start a list?

I'm talking about schools like Brown which accept a lot of students from post-baccs/7 year MD program or schools like UKentucky which are largely comprised of in-state. Not even sure if these are true. Those are just some things I've read while on here.

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North Dakota. I think they'll consider you if you are native american though. And I heard WWAMI is very exclusive as well.
 
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I wouldn't apply to FSU if you're out of state. They dont take many OOS applicants each year, On top of that, OOS tuition is $68k/y vs $25k a year, so it's sort of de facto all in state.
 
Anybody know what these schools are? Perhaps we could start a list?

I'm talking about schools like Brown which accept a lot of students from post-baccs/7 year MD program or schools like UKentucky which are largely comprised of in-state. Not even sure if these are true. Those are just some things I've read while on here.

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UPDATE: The list has been updated. Thanks to those who contributed.

Alabama
Arkansas
UC San Diego
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UCLA Drew
Connecticut
Florida State
Mercer
Central Florida
FIU-Wertheim
Florida
South Florida
Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU Shreveport
LSU New Orleans
UMass (OOS students can only be accepted to the combined MD/PhD program)
Michigan Public Schools
Minnesota
Missouri
Mississippi (Won't accept OOS students. Period.)
North Carolina Public Schools (Brody won't accept any OOS, and NC is about 90% in-state)
North Dakota
Nebraska
Brown (Mostly accepts people from their own undergrad)
UMDNJ New Jersey (95% In-State)
New Mexico
Nevada
Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Buffalo
New York Institute of Technology (Osteopathic)
Wright State-Boonshoft
University of Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico (98% in-state)
MU South Carolina
South Dakota-Sanford
Tennessee
East Tennessee-Quillen
UT Southwestern
UT Houston
UT Galveston
Texas A & M
UT HSC San Antonio
Texas Tech
Texas Tech-Foster
University of North Texas (Osteopathic) - TCOM
Pacific Northwest University (Osteopathic)
Wisconsin
Oklahoma State University
University of South Carolina



Essentially any state school will give a huge preference to in-state students. Some states such as Texas even mandate by law that >90% of accepted students are in-state. As others have mentioned, if it's a public school and you don't have connections to that state, don't apply. There are some exceptions of course.
 
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I wouldn't apply to FSU if you're out of state. They dont take many OOS applicants each year, On top of that, OOS tuition is $68k/y vs $25k a year, so it's sort of de facto all in state.

I feel like all florida schools are not open to OOS applicants. And that's really annoying lol I would love to go to school in florida, it's beautiful and not as far as California relative to where I am. Plus Cali schools are a crap shoot to get into anyhow.

It really sucks 🙁
 
Wow, nysegop. I was looking at quite a couple of those schools and had no idea! Being informed when it comes to med school apps goes a really long way.

Yes Lollygag, darn those Florida schools for their OOS hate and Biochemistry requirements. 😛 I'd love to go to school there as well.
 
Alabama
Arkansas
UC San Diego
Southern Cal-Keck
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UCLA Drew
Colorado
Connecticut
Miami-Miller (Though it's private, they give a strong in-state preference)
Florida State
Mercer
Central Florida
FIU-Wertheim
Florida
South Florida
Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU Shreveport
LSU New Orleans
UMass (OOS students can only be accepted to the combined MD/PhD program)
Michigan Public Schools
Minnesota
Missouri
Mississippi (Won't accept OOS students. Period.)
North Carolina Public Schools (Brody won't accept any OOS, and NC is about 90% in-state)
North Dakota
Nebraska
Brown (Mostly accepts people from their own undergrad)
UMDNJ New Jersey (95% In-State)
New Mexico
Nevada
Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Buffalo
New York Institute of Technology (Osteopathic)
Wright State-Boonshoft
University of Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico (98% in-state)
MU South Carolina
South Dakota-Sanford
Tennessee
East Tennessee-Quillen
UT Southwestern
Baylor
UT Houston
UT Galveston
Texas A & M
UT HSC San Antonio
Texas Tech
Texas Tech-Foster
University of North Texas (Osteopathic) - TCOM
Pacific Northwest University (Osteopathic)
Wisconsin



Essentially any state school will give a huge preference to in-state students. Some states such as Texas even mandate by law that >90% of accepted students are in-state. As others have mentioned, if it's a public school and you don't have connections to that state, don't apply. There are some exceptions of course.

Some of the schools on that list though, may still be worth applying to if you are OOS and really love the school. There are some that will not consider you no matter how competitive you are. I heard New Mexico is VERY strict, probably wouldn't even consider you. North Dakota explicitly says NOT to apply if you are OOS lol.

But UMDNJ will give you a chance and I thought Texas schools will consider you as well. Yes your chances are not nearly as high, but you still have a chance if you are a competitive applicant.
 
Alabama
Arkansas
UC San Diego
Southern Cal-Keck
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UCLA Drew
Colorado
Connecticut
Miami-Miller (Though it's private, they give a strong in-state preference)
Florida State
Mercer
Central Florida
FIU-Wertheim
Florida
South Florida
Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU Shreveport
LSU New Orleans
UMass (OOS students can only be accepted to the combined MD/PhD program)
Michigan Public Schools
Minnesota
Missouri
Mississippi (Won't accept OOS students. Period.)
North Carolina Public Schools (Brody won't accept any OOS, and NC is about 90% in-state)
North Dakota
Nebraska
Brown (Mostly accepts people from their own undergrad)
UMDNJ New Jersey (95% In-State)
New Mexico
Nevada
Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Buffalo
New York Institute of Technology (Osteopathic)
Wright State-Boonshoft
University of Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico (98% in-state)
MU South Carolina
South Dakota-Sanford
Tennessee
East Tennessee-Quillen
UT Southwestern
Baylor
UT Houston
UT Galveston
Texas A & M
UT HSC San Antonio
Texas Tech
Texas Tech-Foster
University of North Texas (Osteopathic) - TCOM
Pacific Northwest University (Osteopathic)
Wisconsin



Essentially any state school will give a huge preference to in-state students. Some states such as Texas even mandate by law that >90% of accepted students are in-state. As others have mentioned, if it's a public school and you don't have connections to that state, don't apply. There are some exceptions of course.

I'm not sure Michigan schools belong on this list. I was able to get an interview at University of Michigan, and a friend of mine got in. We're both OOS with no connections there.
 
I'm not sure Michigan schools belong on this list. I was able to get an interview at University of Michigan, and a friend of mine got in. We're both OOS with no connections there.

UMich doesn't belong on that list. It's like 50% OOS.
 
I didn't want to quote that whole list again but Baylor takes about 30% OOS every year. Baylor is also the only private MD school in Texas and is the only one on AMCAS instead of TMDSAS.

Also, USC (Keck) should definitely not be on that list.
 
Alabama
Arkansas
UC San Diego
Southern Cal-Keck
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UCLA Drew
Colorado
Connecticut
Miami-Miller (Though it's private, they give a strong in-state preference)
Florida State
Mercer
Central Florida
FIU-Wertheim
Florida
South Florida
Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU Shreveport
LSU New Orleans
UMass (OOS students can only be accepted to the combined MD/PhD program)
Michigan Public Schools
Minnesota
Missouri
Mississippi (Won't accept OOS students. Period.)
North Carolina Public Schools (Brody won't accept any OOS, and NC is about 90% in-state)
North Dakota
Nebraska
Brown (Mostly accepts people from their own undergrad)
UMDNJ New Jersey (95% In-State)
New Mexico
Nevada
Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Buffalo
New York Institute of Technology (Osteopathic)
Wright State-Boonshoft
University of Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico (98% in-state)
MU South Carolina
South Dakota-Sanford
Tennessee
East Tennessee-Quillen
UT Southwestern
Baylor
UT Houston
UT Galveston
Texas A & M
UT HSC San Antonio
Texas Tech
Texas Tech-Foster
University of North Texas (Osteopathic) - TCOM
Pacific Northwest University (Osteopathic)
Wisconsin



Essentially any state school will give a huge preference to in-state students. Some states such as Texas even mandate by law that >90% of accepted students are in-state. As others have mentioned, if it's a public school and you don't have connections to that state, don't apply. There are some exceptions of course.

Many of these are still worth applying to (meaning 50% or better OOS or ability to transfer to instate tuition. Off the top of my head, SUNY Stonybrook accepts roughly 50% OOS and you get IS tuition starting m2. I disagree with Miami Miller, they've been expanding their OOS numbers in the past few years.

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why is an hSDNer capable of compiling a list like that? add osucom while you're at it son. ~90% IS
 
I feel like all florida schools are not open to OOS applicants. And that's really annoying lol I would love to go to school in florida, it's beautiful and not as far as California relative to where I am. Plus Cali schools are a crap shoot to get into anyhow.

It really sucks 🙁

I really think FL is the best state to be a pre-med student. A large number of med schools, all of whom give preference to instate students, mostly public (and cheaper), and mostly less competitive grade wise than other big states (IE CA).
 
I really think FL is the best state to be a pre-med student. A large number of med schools, all of whom give preference to instate students, mostly public (and cheaper), and mostly less competitive grade wise than other big states (IE CA).
Florida is good
Texas is the best IMHO, cheaper, tons of schools, their own private application. Baylor is private and awesome but still gives in state preference. Great state for residency, best state foe malpractice, no income tax....

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Illinois and Southern Illinois are bad news for OOS'ers. Illinois (UIC) might take you but the OOS tuition is nuts, and you might be assigned to a crappy campus. SIU has a huge preference for people from their region (within the state). It should not be used as a safety, despite the low stats.
 
I'm not sure Michigan schools belong on this list. I was able to get an interview at University of Michigan, and a friend of mine got in. We're both OOS with no connections there.

You're right. It should say Michigan schools except U Mich.

I didn't want to quote that whole list again but Baylor takes about 30% OOS every year. Baylor is also the only private MD school in Texas and is the only one on AMCAS instead of TMDSAS.

Also, USC (Keck) should definitely not be on that list.

Baylor is 70% In-State (For being a private school, yes that's in-state preference)
Keck is 75% In-State (Which is low for a public school, but still in-state preference)

I'd say you're right about Keck, but a private school is definitely giving preference if >70% of the class is in-state.

Many of these are still worth applying to (meaning 50% or better OOS or ability to transfer to instate tuition. Off the top of my head, SUNY Stonybrook accepts roughly 50% OOS and you get IS tuition starting m2. I disagree with Miami Miller, they've been expanding their OOS numbers in the past few years.

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Stony Brook is 80% in-state.......
As for Miami, It's 70% in-state which is way to high for a private school. If it were a public school, it would be different. It's great if their lowering their in-state percentage, but that hasn't happened enough to convince me. Like I said earlier, 70%+ at a private school is in-state preference.
 
Yea the last time I checked Stony Brook took mostly in staters but still worth applying to if you love the school and are a competitive applicant.
 
Yea the last time I checked Stony Brook took mostly in staters but still worth applying to if you love the school and are a competitive applicant.

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Apply anywhere you want. It's worth a shot.
(Unless they have a no OOS policy)
 
In ohio dont apply to neomed or wright state.
 
Alabama
Arkansas
UC San Diego
Southern Cal-Keck
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UCLA Drew
Colorado
Connecticut
Miami-Miller (Though it's private, they give a strong in-state preference)
Florida State
Mercer
Central Florida
FIU-Wertheim
Florida
South Florida
Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU Shreveport
LSU New Orleans
UMass (OOS students can only be accepted to the combined MD/PhD program)
Michigan Public Schools
Minnesota
Missouri
Mississippi (Won't accept OOS students. Period.)
North Carolina Public Schools (Brody won't accept any OOS, and NC is about 90% in-state)
North Dakota
Nebraska
Brown (Mostly accepts people from their own undergrad)
UMDNJ New Jersey (95% In-State)
New Mexico
Nevada
Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Buffalo
New York Institute of Technology (Osteopathic)
Wright State-Boonshoft
University of Oklahoma
Oregon
Puerto Rico (98% in-state)
MU South Carolina
South Dakota-Sanford
Tennessee
East Tennessee-Quillen
UT Southwestern

Baylor
UT Houston
UT Galveston
Texas A & M
UT HSC San Antonio
Texas Tech
Texas Tech-Foster
University of North Texas (Osteopathic) - TCOM
Pacific Northwest University (Osteopathic)
Wisconsin



Essentially any state school will give a huge preference to in-state students. Some states such as Texas even mandate by law that >90% of accepted students are in-state. As others have mentioned, if it's a public school and you don't have connections to that state, don't apply. There are some exceptions of course.

What is the main issue with the bolded? I am planning on keeping my stats a bit above their admitted class' average and am curious.
 
Keck is 75% In-State (Which is low for a public school, but still in-state preference)

I'd say you're right about Keck, but a private school is definitely giving preference if >70% of the class is in-state.

Keck isn't an in-state preference, there's just a whole bunch of high-stat premed's in CA. Plus, schools always want to limit the acceptances granted to available seats metric. CA residents more likely to matriculate at a CA school. Keck is very open to OOS (if you have the stats.)
 
Also, good job compiling the list NY. You'll get feedback, some of which looks like criticism, but that list is handy and if you update it with the good advice you get about it from people with experience, it will be a valuable thing come application time.
 
43% of their class is OOS.

Yeah neither Miami nor Colorado belongs on this list. This last year Miami became fully private, and therefore doesn't have a stated preference for IS students. Also, the class of 2016 at Colorado is 42% OOS.

Buy the MSAR and look at the actual numbers rather than this list. It's also a risk:benefit every applicant has to decide for themselves. This list is far from the complete story.
 
OHSU in Oregon is not worth applying to unless you have high stats (3.65 AND 32 or so.) OR are URM. They will take OOS as a mission group for those with high stats. Otherwise, there are enough "average" people here in Oregon to fill all the slots.

From the admissions page:
WICHE-Certified residents of Montana and Wyoming.

Applicants applying to the M.D./Ph.D. and M.D./M.P.H. Combined Degree Programs.

Non-resident applicants with superior achievements in academics and other related experiences. For the 2013 cycle, superior academics is defined as a cumulative Total GPA, as reported by AMCAS, of 3.65 or higher and a cumulative score of 32 or higher on the most-recent eligible MCAT.

The School of Medicine Admissions Committee fully recognizes the importance of diversity in its student body and in the physician workforce in providing for effective delivery of health care. Accordingly, the OHSU School of Medicine strongly encourages applications from persons from all socioeconomic, racial, ethnic, religious, and educational backgrounds and from persons from groups underrepresented in medicine.

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What is the main issue with the bolded? I am planning on keeping my stats a bit above their admitted class' average and am curious.

Those three are public. The Texas legislature requires >=90% of accepted students to be in-state. The Tennessee schools are state funded and therefore give in-state preference.

Also, good job compiling the list NY. You'll get feedback, some of which looks like criticism, but that list is handy and if you update it with the good advice you get about it from people with experience, it will be a valuable thing come application time.

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Yeah neither Miami nor Colorado belongs on this list. This last year Miami became fully private, and therefore doesn't have a stated preference for IS students. Also, the class of 2016 at Colorado is 42% OOS.

Buy the MSAR and look at the actual numbers rather than this list. It's also a risk:benefit every applicant has to decide for themselves. This list is far from the complete story.

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Rush in Chicago, when I applied. I applied, because it was a private school, only to see how few OOS they were interviewing. It may be different now.
 
I'll also add that if you consider yourself pretty competative, any of the Texas schools (save UTSW and Baylor) would be worth applying to as the OOS acceptances seem to be largly a stats-only game. Its a modality of boosing admission stats. Additionally, most of them will give scholarship money to make up the difference between IS and OOS tuition (15000 vs 25000).
 
I'm going to apply to almost every Texas medical school just because their tuition is excellent. Unless I'm obviously way outside their stat range.
 
I know you are maybe trying to save app money, but getting into OOS state schools is possible. I'm an Oregon resident and I got into both U of Washington and Wisconsin. For a lot of those schools it takes north of average stats (not necessarily HIGH HIGH stats) and a very strongly demonstrated commitment to medicine for underserved peeps. The last part is most important as I know Washington rejects a lot of people with epic god-level stats.
 
I know you are maybe trying to save app money, but getting into OOS state schools is possible. I'm an Oregon resident and I got into both U of Washington and Wisconsin. For a lot of those schools it takes north of average stats (not necessarily HIGH HIGH stats) and a very strongly demonstrated commitment to medicine for underserved peeps. The last part is most important as I know Washington rejects a lot of people with epic god-level stats.

U of Washington makes sense. I've heard they also prefer students from near by states.
 
U of Washington makes sense. I've heard they also prefer students from near by states.

They are the only med school for five states: Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, & Wyoming. They are extremely unfriendly to residents of other states, Oregon included.
 
U-Miami definitely shouldn't be on the list, as others have mentioned.

South Florida and Central Florida have 21% and 24% OOS students which isn't bad for a FL public school honestly. South Florida offers the Select program which is attractive to a lot of OOS students.

FIU-Wertheim is rightfully placed on the list however at 15% OOS
 
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't understand why people make threads like this.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/2012factstable1.pdf + MSAR = /thread

It may be helpful though to compile a list of schools that may have unusual requirements or desires (underserved population, rural med, etc)

One misconception I see here is to not apply to UWashington. They matriculated 45.5% OOS last year. I'm sure OOS GPA/MCAT requirements go up a bit as with any school, but 45.5% is great.
EDIT: Just read the above posts about UWash, seems reasonable to assume that these 45.5% come mostly from those neighboring states.

Also Penn State, not really a state school as they accepted 52.4% OOS last year (some people might not realize)

Best to look at the statistics and gauge if it's worth it for you to apply.
 
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U-Miami definitely shouldn't be on the list, as others have mentioned.

South Florida and Central Florida have 21% and 24% OOS students which isn't bad for a FL public school honestly. South Florida offers the Select program which is attractive to a lot of OOS students.

FIU-Wertheim is rightfully placed on the list however at 15% OOS

Yeah I took Miller off the list.
 
One misconception I see here is to not apply to UWashington. They matriculated 45.5% OOS last year. I'm sure OOS GPA/MCAT requirements go up a bit as with any school, but 45.5% is great.

That number pertains to the five state region I mentioned above. They matriculate about 20 people from out of that region each year.
 
so when people say that you shouldnt bother applying to certain state schools unless you reside in that state or have a connection to it, what is considered a "connection" to the state? i ask because, i have a brother in Knoxville and considered applying to UT or something so that i could be near his family. i've NEVER lived there myself, but is having a sibling who lives there enough? also, ECU-Brody (NC), i lived in NC for almost 6 yrs, many yrs ago & graduated undergrad at ECU, so i'm no longer a resident but i am an alumni. that should count, right? i hope it does, because i think NC is a nice state with great middle of the road weather and wouldnt mind living there again.
 
Doesn't UMich have auto-interviews if you have a certain GPA and MCAT?

They definitely used to do this. Not sure if it's still the policy.

If you look online there's an admissions chat from around 2007ish where the admissions director puts the numbers around 3.8+/38+ for OOS and 3.75/36+ IS, IIRC.
 
What is the main issue with the bolded? I am planning on keeping my stats a bit above their admitted class' average and am curious.

so when people say that you shouldnt bother applying to certain state schools unless you reside in that state or have a connection to it, what is considered a "connection" to the state? i ask because, i have a brother in Knoxville and considered applying to UT or something so that i could be near his family. i've NEVER lived there myself, but is having a sibling who lives there enough? also, ECU-Brody (NC), i lived in NC for almost 6 yrs, many yrs ago & graduated undergrad at ECU, so i'm no longer a resident but i am an alumni. that should count, right? i hope it does, because i think NC is a nice state with great middle of the road weather and wouldnt mind living there again.

"The College of Medicine selects one class each year which enters in August. Under present authorization, each class is composed of a maximum of 165 new students. Applications are only considered from: [1] Tennessee residents; [2] residents of its eight contiguous states, Mississippi, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and [3] children of UT system alumni regardless of their state of residence. Since qualified Tennesseans are given priority over out-of-state applicants, nonresidents must possess superior qualifications to be seriously considered for admission. The maximum number of non-Tennesseans admitted will not exceed ten (10) percent of the entering class including non-resident children of alumni."

http://www.uthsc.edu/Medicine/Admissions/admissionsrequirements.php
 
"The College of Medicine selects one class each year which enters in August. Under present authorization, each class is composed of a maximum of 165 new students. Applications are only considered from: [1] Tennessee residents; [2] residents of its eight contiguous states, Mississippi, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and [3] children of UT system alumni regardless of their state of residence. Since qualified Tennesseans are given priority over out-of-state applicants, nonresidents must possess superior qualifications to be seriously considered for admission. The maximum number of non-Tennesseans admitted will not exceed ten (10) percent of the entering class including non-resident children of alumni."

http://www.uthsc.edu/Medicine/Admissions/admissionsrequirements.php

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Can we add University of South Carolina?

The latest USNews:

2695 Applied OOS
29 Accepted OOS

1.08% Acceptance Rate OOS
 
I disagree with buffalo! On my interview day over half the people were OOS! and once you get an interview you have like a 70% chance of an acceptance! A lot of their class comes from PA and Cali!
 
I disagree with buffalo! On my interview day over half the people were OOS! and once you get an interview you have like a 70% chance of an acceptance! A lot of their class comes from PA and Cali!

83% In-state

Can we add University of South Carolina?

The latest USNews:

2695 Applied OOS
29 Accepted OOS

1.08% Acceptance Rate OOS

I will add it.
 
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't understand why people make threads like this.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/2012factstable1.pdf + MSAR = /thread

It may be helpful though to compile a list of schools that may have unusual requirements or desires (underserved population, rural med, etc)

One misconception I see here is to not apply to UWashington. They matriculated 45.5% OOS last year. I'm sure OOS GPA/MCAT requirements go up a bit as with any school, but 45.5% is great.
EDIT: Just read the above posts about UWash, seems reasonable to assume that these 45.5% come mostly from those neighboring states.

Also Penn State, not really a state school as they accepted 52.4% OOS last year (some people might not realize)

Best to look at the statistics and gauge if it's worth it for you to apply.

UWash stats are messed up because sometimes they only post Washington stats and sometimes they post stats for WWAMI region in their in-state acceptance ration.

20x4=80 WWAMI students (not from Washington)
60-80 Washington residents
60-80 OOR

The class size is 220 people, so the low ball OOR would be about 25% and the high ball about 40%. I am sure this varies by year.

If you include the WWAMI region minus Washington, then OOS matriculants make up to 75% of the class.
 
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