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Hi,

I'm applying this summer, but my laptop, which I've had for 5 years, is starting to majorly freeze up on me too often. I wanted to wait for med school to buy a new one (fingers crossed that I get in), but I need it to write my apps. I remember reading on a thread that one school provided laptops (added to the tuition, of course) and that only certain ones are allowed at other schools with specific operating systems. Is this common?

Also, if someone can find a thread on this, it would be much appreciated, because I remember reading about this somewhere on sdn, but can't find it.

Also, also, if anyone in med school right now uses Linux without problems, I would like to know, because I'm sort of a fan.

Thanks!

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I'd say.... buy a cheap one now and use it for a year
you can get a brand new one for as low as 500 thesedays anyway
then sell it when you are forced to get a new one next year
 
All I can say is try to avoid a school that forces you to purchase their laptops. I help people buy laptops as a part time job as well as build computers. The laptops they make you buy through them are never what you need and always cost far more than it would if you bought it yourself.

My college used to sell the laptops for small businesses which had absolutely no advantage to students and was missing some of the entertainment features that students enjoy. Being business laptops, they were not as powerful and cost a lot more. I used to fight with them over it all the time 🙂
 
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I'm doing the whole cheap ass laptop thing for right now. Might as well wait as long as you can before getting a new one.
 
Thanks for the advice!

I am going to seriously consider getting a cheap laptop for this year, but I get a little nervous spending hundreds of dollars for one year of usage...after all, I'm already nervous about having to get rid of my 5 year old laptop.

oh well.
 
All I can say is try to avoid a school that forces you to purchase their laptops.

That's actually a really bad way to choose med schools. The ones that make you buy through them tend to be more high tech than the norm, which proves to be a big benefit when you don't want to go to class and can get the lecture and materials at home online, and tend to offer more on-campus repair help. And FWIW most of those places tend to get fairly decent package deals because they are buying from the manufacturer in bulk.
 
That's actually a really bad way to choose med schools. The ones that make you buy through them tend to be more high tech than the norm, which proves to be a big benefit when you don't want to go to class and can get the lecture and materials at home online, and tend to offer more on-campus repair help. And FWIW most of those places tend to get fairly decent package deals because they are buying from the manufacturer in bulk.

Well it certainly shouldn't be a factor, but it would be something I would look at considering my extensive computer background.

I can get a Dell computer for about $400 less than the average school charges you for them because they upgrade stuff that is useless and don't upgrade stuff that you need.

Plus, who cares if they offer on-site service? Dell's warranty has on-site service too. Within 24 hours of calling or chatting online with tech support, i have a technician to my house, apartment, dorm, etc fixing my computer on the site. I don't have to get up off my butt. Plus, if you buy it yourself you also get theft recovery and accidental damage coverage. In addition, students get 12% off and extra sales that schools can't even get.

I'm also not a fan of waiting until your computer dies to get a new one. Mine was 2.5 years old and I sold it on eBay for $800 - mainly because I wrote a good ad and it still had 1.5 years of warranty left on it. I then ended up only spending $250 on a brand new top of the line computer.
 
I trust myself more than I trust a med school's IT department. They are just trying to upsell laptops to med students well knowing that most of them don't even know what they're buying.

Any school that thinks I'm replacing my MacBook Pro with some Dell machine will be in for a rude awakening from ME!! :meanie:
 
I trust myself more than I trust a med school's IT department. They are just trying to upsell laptops to med students well knowing that most of them don't even know what they're buying.

Any school that thinks I'm replacing my MacBook Pro with some Dell machine will be in for a rude awakening from ME!! :meanie:

Anyone who can tell me what their MacBook does that my Dell doesn't would be really appreciated... at least in terms of the avg student (not a musician, graphic designer, etc).

I've heard a lot of things thus far. My Dell has a better warranty, I've never really had a problem with it (i just milk my warranty for all its worth, like replacing the keyboard every few months). I've never had a virus, worm, spyware, etc. I've never really gotten errors, except ones I really did cause. My software is cheaper and there is more of it. All my fellow Mac lover friends have a lot of problems with the Mac to Windows OS switch thingie. Oh and mine was a whole lot cheaper.
 
I trust myself more than I trust a med school's IT department. They are just trying to upsell laptops to med students well knowing that most of them don't even know what they're buying.

Any school that thinks I'm replacing my MacBook Pro with some Dell machine will be in for a rude awakening from ME!! :meanie:

Schools only make you buy from them if they have certain system requirements or proprietary software. You may be taking your exams on computer, downloading lectures, etc. So it makes it easier for schools if they don't have to make different machines work with each other. Most schools that require computers through them get the IBM or Dell variety. Mac has not made great inroads in medical schools. Sorry.
 
i think quite a few schools budget for them for the first year. i know creighton does. i also know that UWash requires a laptop during class because they take quizzes in class online...or something like that. don't quote me.
 
Schools only make you buy from them if they have certain system requirements or proprietary software. You may be taking your exams on computer, downloading lectures, etc. So it makes it easier for schools if they don't have to make different machines work with each other. Most schools that require computers through them get the IBM or Dell variety. Mac has not made great inroads in medical schools. Sorry.

You can still buy your own computer that meets their minimum requirements or exceeds them and spend less $$ than you would through the school. Their requirements are always far far below anything that I would want anyways. They don't even offer a computer as powerful as I own and it only cost me $1,400.

(2.4 GHz core 2 duo, 4 gb of ram, 256 mb dedicated video card, tv tuner, etc)
 
South Carolina requires you to buy a laptop first year, and then a PDA for clinicals (they did 2 years ago, anyway). I think AECOM requires a certain type of computer.
 
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FSU has tablets...which is only useful if you are a florida resident I suppose.

Buy a cheap laptop...or desktop. It won't necessarily go to waste...at least it wouldn't with me. I have another that I use strictly for certain purposes and try to keep the distracting stuff off...then I have a computer that I use as a file server occassionally....or just a box with 3 different operating systems for ****s and giggles...yea I'm a geek.
 
You can still buy your own computer that meets their minimum requirements or exceeds them and spend less $$ than you would through the school. Their requirements are always far far below anything that I would want anyways. They don't even offer a computer as powerful as I own and it only cost me $1,400.

(2.4 GHz core 2 duo, 4 gb of ram, 256 mb dedicated video card, tv tuner, etc)

One of the reasons they do it isn't the straight cost, but the fact that it makes matience much easier. If everyone has the same laptop and something messes up it can generally be repaired within a day or two versus a week if you have your own. There are other reasons behind it as well. IBM used to offer a whole bunch of free stuff if you did their laptop program. (Free stuff for the school and incentives) I'm not sure if they still do...but repairs and exchanges are the biggest reasons. Schools with the required laptops tend to have a few backups hanging out just in case.
 
Thanks for the advice!

I am going to seriously consider getting a cheap laptop for this year, but I get a little nervous spending hundreds of dollars for one year of usage...after all, I'm already nervous about having to get rid of my 5 year old laptop.

oh well.

If you're looking for a cheap one year solution, you can get an adequate desktop for a lot cheaper than a laptop with similar stats. Look at refurbished computers from dell.
 
..but repairs and exchanges are the biggest reasons. Schools with the required laptops tend to have a few backups hanging out just in case.

Agree. The school's being able to slap your hard drive into a nearly identical loaner the same day you realize your computer is acting up is a lifesaver in med school. You can't be without your notes waiting for Dell or whoever to get back to you.
 
Anyone who can tell me what their MacBook does that my Dell doesn't would be really appreciated... at least in terms of the avg student (not a musician, graphic designer, etc).

I've heard a lot of things thus far. My Dell has a better warranty, I've never really had a problem with it (i just milk my warranty for all its worth, like replacing the keyboard every few months). I've never had a virus, worm, spyware, etc. I've never really gotten errors, except ones I really did cause. My software is cheaper and there is more of it. All my fellow Mac lover friends have a lot of problems with the Mac to Windows OS switch thingie. Oh and mine was a whole lot cheaper.

I'm not going to turn this into a PC vs. Mac type thing. It really just takes using one to learn the difference. I'm just keen on not using a Windows machine if I don't have to.

In any case, I say that because any time a school forces you to buy a specific laptop, it just means they feel like putting in the extra time to test on multiple senarios.
 
At FSU they assigned us laptops... you have to return them at graduation. They're the tablet PCs. I don't think you have the option of not getting them, although I don't think you're paying for it through tuition (but I'm not really sure).
 
One of the reasons they do it isn't the straight cost, but the fact that it makes matience much easier. If everyone has the same laptop and something messes up it can generally be repaired within a day or two versus a week if you have your own. There are other reasons behind it as well. IBM used to offer a whole bunch of free stuff if you did their laptop program. (Free stuff for the school and incentives) I'm not sure if they still do...but repairs and exchanges are the biggest reasons. Schools with the required laptops tend to have a few backups hanging out just in case.

I haven't had to wait more than 24 hours for a Dell tech to come on-site to fix my computer. Plus, if you buy a PC they are basically all the same. If you know Windows you can fix any PC the exact same way. I've fixed far more laptops than I would have liked to from many many brand names. Why have the school do a repair or exchange when you can get it fixed on-site in 24 hours without having to ever give up your computer? If you really need a computer in that 24 hours, go to the library.
 
Anyone who can tell me what their MacBook does that my Dell doesn't would be really appreciated... at least in terms of the avg student (not a musician, graphic designer, etc).

run Mac OS X (much more intuitive interface) and Windows at the same time

trackpad that scrolls when you use 2 fingers

magnetically attached power adapter so that if one trips over it, it just pops out instead of taking the laptop down

hard drive that shuts off temporarily if computer starts to fall (maybe PCs have this now?)

13 inch screen but has a full-size keyboard

802.11n wireless card standard

bluetooth standard (easier to communicate w/ many cell phones)
 
run Mac OS X (much more intuitive interface) and Windows at the same time

trackpad that scrolls when you use 2 fingers

magnetically attached power adapter so that if one trips over it, it just pops out instead of taking the laptop down

hard drive that shuts off temporarily if computer starts to fall (maybe PCs have this now?)

13 inch screen but has a full-size keyboard

802.11n wireless card standard

bluetooth standard (easier to communicate w/ many cell phones)

Why do Macs have to run Windows anyways? If the Mac and Mac OS are superior... Plus, every single one of my Mac loving friends have had massive amounts of problems with that - and gotten zeros on a few projects saved on the Windows side. One sold her Mac and bought a Dell 🙂 Proud victory for me.

Trackpad that scrolls when you use two fingers? What? I just run my finger down the right side of my pad on my laptop and it scrolls for me. The bottom scrolls horizontally. Then you can tap the touchpad to act as a mouseclick. What else do I need?

my dell laptop has an N wireless card as well... and my desktop. it helps somewhat, but nowhere near the capability because it is still so rare to find an N router.

I don't think my power adapter is magnetic, but it even pops out when the cats trip over it. Then I notice my battery is about to die and go kick the cat.


dell has both 12" and 13" laptops with full sized keyboards. i personally have the 12" with a full sized keyboard and love it.

i haven't heard about a hard drive that shuts of automatically when being dropped, but that would be problematic for me as i tend to toss my laptop around a lot. we do get accidental damage though so if we drop it, spill something in it, etc it is fully covered by the warranty. and a drop can't hurt a computer that much - since February it has been dropped countless times and it still working like a charm.

i know we have bluetooth options on the laptops but i never bothered - costs $$ on cell phones that college tuition doesn't permit, plus i've never had a need. my PDA works tirelessly with my computer and i don't use headsets with my phone. so i've not bothered to look into it much since i have no use for it.

besides all of that, i don't think the benefits you described above are worth a crappier warranty, less software, more expensive software, and an extra $800 (at least that was the price difference in my case).
 
I'm not going to turn this into a PC vs. Mac type thing. It really just takes using one to learn the difference. I'm just keen on not using a Windows machine if I don't have to.

In any case, I say that because any time a school forces you to buy a specific laptop, it just means they feel like putting in the extra time to test on multiple senarios.

I think the issue is the fact that certain programs may only work on Windows. The great thing about your computer is Mac Book Pro has Intel now, so it can run either. I'm sure no medical school would force a PC on you unless it was an issue with being able to use whatever software they need you to use. So no worries.
 
i haven't heard about a hard drive that shuts of automatically when being dropped

These have been around for a couple of years. the hards drives don't shut off per se, but the read/write heads move off the platters
 
besides all of that, i don't think the benefits you described above are worth a crappier warranty, less software, more expensive software, and an extra $800 (at least that was the price difference in my case).

LSU-NO makes you purchase one that they provide. But the warranty program kicks ass. Anything (and I mean anything) happens to your laptop, and you get a brand new one at no extra cost. And that includes any kind of physical abuse that you can think of.

I've actually used a friend's laptop (an L2 student) and it seemed to have all the good software and programs that you'd ever need.

Just my experience there...
 
i think a laptop is so off the scale of concern that you shouldn't worry 🙂 if you need one, you can get a decent lappy that will do everything you need for $500 or less

i highly reccommend fatwallet.com avoid the deals with rebates IMHO
 
Trackpad that scrolls when you use two fingers? What? I just run my finger down the right side of my pad on my laptop and it scrolls for me. The bottom scrolls horizontally. Then you can tap the touchpad to act as a mouseclick. What else do I need?

ok here's what you do...when you want to scroll you move 2 fingers down on the trackpad instead of 1, you can do this anywhere on the trackpad which is a really nice feature, espcially when you want to scroll diagonally (a webpage that has horizontal and vertical scroll provides a good example). it really allows for much easier control

my dell laptop has an N wireless card as well... and my desktop. it helps somewhat, but nowhere near the capability because it is still so rare to find an N router.

true that N routers are rare, but they will become more common in a few years...not all Dell's come with wireless-N standard (http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_inspn_1501?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs)

I don't think my power adapter is magnetic, but it even pops out when the cats trip over it. Then I notice my battery is about to die and go kick the cat.

true the power cord will pop out sometimes in Dell's I've used, but other times it acts as a tether and you can pull the laptop along with it. the magsafe adapter pops off with appreciable tension and makes taking the power cord out less of a hassle.


i know we have bluetooth options on the laptops but i never bothered - costs $$ on cell phones that college tuition doesn't permit, plus i've never had a need.

even RAZRs (which are free phones with contracts these days) have bluetooth (it doesn't cost extra to use the bluetooth capability on your phone)...its really nice to sync your cell phone address book with your computer in case your phone is lost, but I have other friends who insist on creating a dumb facebook event everytime they misplace their phone.

less software, more expensive software, and an extra $800 (at least that was the price difference in my case).

the software problem is solved by running Windows using Parallels (it works perfect on my computer right now 🙂), the price difference is actually often in the favor of the Mac when compared to PCs: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9023959
 
Agree. The school's being able to slap your hard drive into a nearly identical loaner the same day you realize your computer is acting up is a lifesaver in med school. You can't be without your notes waiting for Dell or whoever to get back to you.

I'm not a great fan of the gateway I was forced to buy but this really does make it all worthwhile. We test on our computers, we use them as a microscope for histo and path, we use them for powerpoints . . . there are many days where not having a laptop would be a crisis that this addled medstudent brain would rather not deal with. Ours are actually a pretty good deal, most of the cost is for the 4 year "you bring us the pieces and we'll give you a new laptop" warranty and for all the programs the school installs. I would have picked a different brand but in the end having this one forced on me had its benefits.

To the OP, check out craigslist, they have listings for used laptops for pretty cheap and often they'll have a year warranty left etc . . . you could also always resell whatever you buy to get you through the year if it doesn't fit your schools requirements through this same route.
 
I haven't had to wait more than 24 hours for a Dell tech to come on-site to fix my computer. Plus, if you buy a PC they are basically all the same. If you know Windows you can fix any PC the exact same way. I've fixed far more laptops than I would have liked to from many many brand names. Why have the school do a repair or exchange when you can get it fixed on-site in 24 hours without having to ever give up your computer? If you really need a computer in that 24 hours, go to the library.

At my school we test on them. Students have had their computers break the day of the exam, it is quite necessary for the school to have loaners ready for these situations where one can't wait 24 hours.
 
LSU-NO makes you purchase one that they provide. But the warranty program kicks ass. Anything (and I mean anything) happens to your laptop, and you get a brand new one at no extra cost. And that includes any kind of physical abuse that you can think of.

I've actually used a friend's laptop (an L2 student) and it seemed to have all the good software and programs that you'd ever need.

Just my experience there...

Hey girlie, just a fyi the only thing that the warranty doesn't cover is theft, so guard your laptop like a hawk! A girl in our class had hers stolen out of her house and had to go buy a new laptop out of pocket midsemester, though they did give her the software again for free . . .
 
My college used to sell the laptops for small businesses which had absolutely no advantage to students and was missing some of the entertainment features that students enjoy. Being business laptops, they were not as powerful and cost a lot more. I used to fight with them over it all the time 🙂

Business-market laptops are generally a whole lot more durable, and often a good deal lighter, and a good deal more expandable, than consumer-market models. Yeah, they tend to lack a few of the "entertainment features" (glossy and thus glare-prone screen, the ability to play a DVD without booting up, and media buttons, most notably) that consumer models have... but those are fluff.

As for cost, they're often only slightly more expensive, not "a lot more," depending on the exact model you get - and in some cases, once you add a comparable extended warranty and insurance to the consumer model, they're NOT more expensive.

As for "not as powerful," pretty much every manufacturer that I know of that makes a consumer line and a business line uses the same microprocessors, etc, in both.

It sounds more like your particular school was giving bad recommendations; it happens.


run Mac OS X (much more intuitive interface) and Windows at the same time

De gustibus, and all that. Also, running Windows at the same time (parallels or crossover office) has a big performance hit; to run Windows applications at full speed, you need to dual boot.

trackpad that scrolls when you use 2 fingers

As noted already, most PC laptops allow scrolling already, using a slightly different mechanism. Meanwhile, two disadvantages to Mac laptops:
1) No right mouse button for context-menus (although I'm told newer ones have some way to do it without doing option-click or command-click or whatever it used to be)
2) No pointing stick option - and pointing sticks are WAY better than touchpads if you touch type - can go from typing to "mousing" without removing your hands from the home row.

13 inch screen but has a full-size keyboard

PC laptops come in all shapes and sizes. Dell only recently introduced a 13" one, but plenty of other companies have sold them for years. Keyboards on 13"+ models have always been full-sized and these days the 12" widescreen models have a full-size keyboard as well. (For 12" non-wide, I don't think it's physically possible, except with the old IBM butterfly keyboard.)

802.11n wireless card standard

It's coming in on all the newest PCs, at least as an option. Buying draft-N products was a bad idea, given that "draft standard" parts often don't work as well as ones genuinely designed for the standards.

And indeed, it's far from clear that making everything to one standard is a good thing - personally, I'd say "choice is good!"

bluetooth standard (easier to communicate w/ many cell phones)

I don't find it very useful, but built-in bluetooth is available on virtually any decent laptop either standard or as an option. Where it's an option, you can choose whether it's worth the $25-30.

i haven't heard about a hard drive that shuts of automatically when being dropped,

Lenovo Thinkpads have that feature; I'm not aware of any Dells that do. Then again, I hadn't been aware Apple had copied it yet - as far as I knew, it was exclusive to Lenovo (innovation from the IBM days.)
 
These have been around for a couple of years. the hards drives don't shut off per se, but the read/write heads move off the platters

Ditto that. IBM Thinkpad used that technology (they called it Active Protection) that sense rapid acceleration due to a fall or impact and then moved the harddrive head off the platter. Which is probably why my 3 years old Thinkpad is still going strong after daily abuses.
 
DukeMed assesses a mandatory technology fee of about $1800 for each of the first two years to cover a PDA, laptop, software, and warranty-service.
 
I haven't had to wait more than 24 hours for a Dell tech to come on-site to fix my computer. Plus, if you buy a PC they are basically all the same. If you know Windows you can fix any PC the exact same way. I've fixed far more laptops than I would have liked to from many many brand names. Why have the school do a repair or exchange when you can get it fixed on-site in 24 hours without having to ever give up your computer? If you really need a computer in that 24 hours, go to the library.

You are assuming that every person will pay for the dell tech stuff. I have had horrible experiences with dell. While you can fix the laptop, not everyone can and by opening certain parts of it you can screw your warranty. Also, it is not to be assumed that library computers have what you need, and they often times have locks on them or are pretty inconvenient. When you are dealing with a full digital campus and need your lapotp for near everything then sitting in a library is not much of an option. I had my laptop go down beyond the scope of a normal repair...dell took 2 weeks to get it back to me for whatever reason. Luckily, my major at the time had fully loaded laptop (and I backed up files not too long before) . I was able to snag the laptop and get my files back to where they needed to be for the client presentation. (I frequently had presentations for IBM, InfoSpace, Blackboard, etc.) Granted, medical school is different. You are making the assumption that everything works out right and that people know how to repair stuff.

Side note...every dell I have ever purchased has died on me within 2-3 years. The warranty people made me jump through all sorts of hoops and I got sick of it. They do make very nice displays now though. Michael Dell is a pretty cool guy too..
 
You are assuming that every person will pay for the dell tech stuff. I have had horrible experiences with dell. While you can fix the laptop, not everyone can and by opening certain parts of it you can screw your warranty. Also, it is not to be assumed that library computers have what you need, and they often times have locks on them or are pretty inconvenient. When you are dealing with a full digital campus and need your lapotp for near everything then sitting in a library is not much of an option. I had my laptop go down beyond the scope of a normal repair...dell took 2 weeks to get it back to me for whatever reason. Luckily, my major at the time had fully loaded laptop (and I backed up files not too long before) . I was able to snag the laptop and get my files back to where they needed to be for the client presentation. (I frequently had presentations for IBM, InfoSpace, Blackboard, etc.) Granted, medical school is different. You are making the assumption that everything works out right and that people know how to repair stuff.

Side note...every dell I have ever purchased has died on me within 2-3 years. The warranty people made me jump through all sorts of hoops and I got sick of it. They do make very nice displays now though. Michael Dell is a pretty cool guy too..

I think people just don't know how to deal with the original tech support people you get in India. Here are some of my personal experiences.


1. When I received my desktop, I was very excited to use my dual tv tuner. I plugged it into the cable jack behind my desk and nothing happening. I got online with tech support and they said it was because the type of cable at my apartment didn't work with the tv tuner. I told them that wasn't fair because the sales people had told me it would work. They refunded my money I paid for the tv tuner and I was happy. The next day I realized the cable jack behind my wall didn't have anything running to it. I plugged my tv tuner into the cable jack behind my dresser and it works like a charm - for free.

2. I purchased a 250 GB hard drive (RAID 1) and upon receiving it, it claimed to only be like 180 GB. I knew why, but I still got really mad at Dell tech support saying I purchased a 250 GB hard drive because I needed to use all that space. Two days later, I had a brand new computer with a 320 GB hard drive on my doorstep - no charge.

3. Upon receiving that new computer with a 320 GB hard drive, I had to send back my other one. I placed everything in that box and DHL picked it up. However, I realized I had shipped back my tv tuner remote and they had not shipped me a new one. I told them this and they said they would overnight me one right away. They actually ended up sending me a tv tuner and a remote. I told them about this error and they told me they couldn't ship the two separately and they did not want me to return the tv tuner. I sold it online for $219.

4. I later upgraded to Vista, knowing that it still had a lot of compatibility issues with sound cards. Conveniently, my sound card started doing funky things when I booted up the Vista side and worked great when I booted up XP. Dell refused to admit that it was a Vista problem and after troubleshooting it and replacing it, they determined they couldn't do anything about it. I told them that was unacceptable. They first time they just gave me a $100 gift card to get me to go away, which I gave to my dad for father's day. the second time, I got to the resolution team in Texas. He is building me a brand new computer and it is due to arrive on Monday. For all of my troubles, he is upgrading the hard drive to 1 TB and doubling the memory of my graphics card.

5. Back when I had my huge massive 17" wide screen laptop, I noticed one pixel was out on my LCD screen. I didn't think this to be much of a problem because I rarely even noticed. However, I contacted tech support anyways and two days later I had a dell tech guy in my dorm room replacing my LCD screen.

6. Upon planning to sell my laptop to purchase a new one, I just made up silly reasons as to why I needed a new keyboard, power adapter, and battery. They didn't seem to care much and sent me all three. Sure did boost up the price when I could say the LCD screen was fairly new and the battery, AC adapter, and keyboard were brand new.

7. I bought my new laptop in February. The second day I took it to class I slipped on ice and dropped my purse. The computer hit the ground and sprawled across the ground. Needless to say, it wouldn't turn on after that. Dell sent me a box and a label and I shipped it overnight to them. Two days later, they sent me a brand new computer with all of my hard drive information transferred over and my programs reinstalled. The only downfall was that I no longer had my pretty sticker on the back, but they refunded the money I paid for it and I just bought a new one.

What the heck is there to complain about? I couldn't have imagined anything better.
 
What the heck is there to complain about? I couldn't have imagined anything better.

haha it sounds like Dell should be complaining about you taking advantage of them:laugh:
 
haha it sounds like Dell should be complaining about you taking advantage of them:laugh:

I have no doubt that Dell hates me 🙂 But after my 6 years of experience with 5 different Dell computers... I'm yet to figure out what the heck everyone complains about Dell for. I or someone in my family has owned most of the major brand names (HP, Gateway, Sony, Acer, IBM) and I've dealt with a lot of Mac friends and thus far, no one has beaten the quality, value, and warranty of any of the Dells (I sorta wrote a thesis when I was a computer science/engineering major because I was in the honors program).
 
As noted already, most PC laptops allow scrolling already, using a slightly different mechanism. Meanwhile, two disadvantages to Mac laptops:
1) No right mouse button for context-menus (although I'm told newer ones have some way to do it without doing option-click or command-click or whatever it used to be)

that "mechanism" just isn't as convenient as using 2 fingers to scroll down, trust me it really makes a difference.

when I have a mouse plugged in, I can use both buttons as normal. as for non-mouse users, its real easy...you just put two fingers (instead of one) on the trackpad and click.
 
that "mechanism" just isn't as convenient as using 2 fingers to scroll down, trust me it really makes a difference.

when I have a mouse plugged in, I can use both buttons as normal. as for non-mouse users, its real easy...you just put two fingers (instead of one) on the trackpad and click.

I just went in and played with my roommate's Mac. I officially hate the two finger thing. I much prefer the way my PC is set up. Whatever floats your boat...
 
I have no doubt that Dell hates me 🙂 But after my 6 years of experience with 5 different Dell computers... I'm yet to figure out what the heck everyone complains about Dell for. I or someone in my family has owned most of the major brand names (HP, Gateway, Sony, Acer, IBM) and I've dealt with a lot of Mac friends and thus far, no one has beaten the quality, value, and warranty of any of the Dells (I sorta wrote a thesis when I was a computer science/engineering major because I was in the honors program).

the Dell warranty and insurance plans are the best IMO...however my IT friends bitch about how (esp in the consumer line models, insipiron I think?) some of the hardware components aren't the highest quality, particularly the hard drives. Although Dell will gladly replace such things for free, it still is a hassle.
 
I just went in and played with my roommate's Mac. I officially hate the two finger thing. I much prefer the way my PC is set up. Whatever floats your boat...

that's the point...Macs are superior😉, but its mostly subtle differences. A computer is a computer after all.
 
the Dell warranty and insurance plans are the best IMO...however my IT friends bitch about how (esp in the consumer line models, insipiron I think?) some of the hardware components aren't the highest quality, particularly the hard drives. Although Dell will gladly replace such things for free, it still is a hassle.

Can't comment there. I owned the Inspiron 9300 for 2.5 years and never had a single hard drive problem. My boyfriend has owned the Inpsiron 6000 for over 3 years now and he also has not had a single hard drive problem. My other roommate has had the Inspiron E1505 for about a year now and no hard drive problem. I've also troubleshooted a lot of problems w/ the Inspirons (as I volunteer to repair computers) and hard drives has definitely been the least common problem. However, my dads old HP had a failed hard drive 7 times before he got a new one 🙂
 
that's the point...Macs are superior😉, but its mostly subtle differences. A computer is a computer after all.

You prefer how your Mac is set up and I prefer how my PC is set up. How does that make yours superior? It is just simply a matter of what you are used to and personal preferences. To me, that is another downfall of the Mac.
 
You prefer how your Mac is set up and I prefer how my PC is set up. How does that make yours superior? It is just simply a matter of what you are used to and personal preferences. To me, that is another downfall of the Mac.

It is superior for me....your Dell is superior for you...no issue here:laugh:
 
It is superior for me....your Dell is superior for you...no issue here:laugh:

Great reason to buy a Mac. Another thing I don't like is the lack of customization. With my Dell, I can basically customize every single aspect of it. That feature is greatly lacking with a Mac.
 
OMFG get over it. I've hijacked a few threads in my time but this one takes the cake. Way to degenerate the OP's thread.
 
back to the original question, I believe Vermont requires a specific computer.
 
Get a cheap desktop and then get a new laptop next year.
 
Get a cheap desktop and then get a new laptop next year.

http://www.kc-computers.com/

i know the guy. he custom builds laptops and desktops and doesn't charge labor. if you want anything cheap he can do it. just tell 'em what you want and your price range and he'll find the individual parts, put it together, test it, and send it to ya. i've been highly impressed.
 
that "mechanism" just isn't as convenient as using 2 fingers to scroll down, trust me it really makes a difference.

when I have a mouse plugged in, I can use both buttons as normal. as for non-mouse users, its real easy...you just put two fingers (instead of one) on the trackpad and click.

Convenience, in this case, is very much a matter of personal taste; neither is seems inherently better from my perspective (although the earliar Apple version of mousing when I had a G4 Titanium in grad school was annoying)... clearly the Apple method is better from yours.

Mainly, I prefer a pointing stick. The current crop of "combo pointing stick and touchpad" models from Dell (and a few others) are nowhere near as good as the old pointing-stick-only ones from Toshiba.
 
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