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[Robin-jay]

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The reason I asked Robin specifically was that I noticed in this thread and a prior thread on legacy admissions that s/he had very strong opinions and expressed great dissatisfaction and frustration with the process. WHich is surprising because most are celebrating their success.

I feel it would be hypocritical of me to be skeptical of some of the issues within the admissions process "before" being interviewed and accepted, and not "after".

In fact, I feel much more brazen now that I'm not pre-med anymore. I don't think I could post in a thread full of "you aren't accepted yet, so you're just jealous, bla bla bla".

WHich is surprising because most are celebrating their success. And my point to Robin-jay is that the admissions process is hard and relatively few make it in.

I'm glad that I get to be a physician, and I have great plans for the specialty I want. Even if I fall short, I'm pretty content as is.

Could they make the process better? More fair? More transparent? Yes

Bingo.

Yes but it's not happening now so criticizing it in an internet forum isn't likely to change anything.

Probably not, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out parts of the process that seem "unfair". That ranges from legacy matriculates, to medical schools advertising a false definition of holistic to earn more money.

What one can do is to go through the process and then when in a position of authority make the changes you want. Treat an application more holistically, fight for the applicants you feel should get a chance despite XYZ concerns.

Sure, that seems to be the most effective method of "change", but as they say to any problem.."acknowledgement, and talking about it are the first steps".

Do I think medical schools are super "unfair"? Not at all, but there are parts that could definitely more "more fair".

 

[Lawpy]

Bumping this thread just to present a small request. Could we please reduce the sarcasm when responding to threads? You don't have to respond to threads if you don't like them or find them neurotic etc. But please, if you do respond, could you do so kindly and with accurate responses? Thanks

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Bumping this thread just to present a small request. Could we please reduce the sarcasm when responding to threads? You don't have to respond to threads if you don't like them or find them neurotic etc. But please, if you do respond, could you do so kindly and with accurate responses? Thanks

That’s asking a lot.

 

[Lawpy]

That’s asking a lot.

We could at least try

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

We could at least try

Trying is for nerds.

 

[MyBones]

We’re all a little nerdy, which is not a bad thing 😉

 

[LizzyM]

Let's try to treat people coming here for advice as we'd treat patients who came to us as providers seeking our expertise.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Let's try to treat people coming here for advice as we'd treat patients who came to us as providers seeking our expertise.

So let them get 11 words out, then cut them off and kick them out with a zpack and some opioids. Got it.

Spoiler

I kid, I kid.

 

[Goro]

So let them get 11 words out, then cut them off and kick them out with a zpack and some opioids. Got it.

Spoiler

I kid, I kid.

Or a strong laxative.

 

[LizzyM]

Some of the stuff written on here is just unnecessary. For example I shared my joy about my husband baking a cake, I uploaded the photo, stated it wasnt a pretty cake but full of love. A user wrote it looked like “feces”. Childish and unnecesary. Some my call it a trifling thing, but for a gay married couple already rejected by our “families” and my husband having a chronic medical order, it was just pointless.

Not to victim blame, but if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the lounge. That place is nasty.

 

[gyngyn]

Not to victim blame, but if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the lounge. That place is nasty.

A den of iniquity, indeed!

 

[Goro]

A den of iniquity, indeed!

A hive of scum and villainy!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Some my call it a trifling thing, but for a gay married couple already rejected by our “families” and my husband having a chronic medical order, it was just pointless.

So I agree that it was childish. But this is just way over the top. You’re being a martyr. It’s an Internet forum, and the place where people go to act like children on this forum at that. Your sexuality and other issues are not relevant.

 

[deleted804295]

Not to victim blame, but if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the lounge. That place is nasty.

That place is very nasty. I pointed it out once and I got vultured but fortunately one of the premed sdners came to my side.

I think the lounge is a place for attendings moreso than anyone else. They dont have any censors and say anything that crosses their mind.

 

[gyngyn]

That place is very nasty. I pointed it out once and I got vultured but fortunately one of the premed sdners came to my side.

I think the lounge is a place for attendings moreso than anyone else. They dont have any censors and say anything that crosses their mind.

Heavens, I hope not!

 

[getdown]

That place is very nasty. I pointed it out once and I got vultured but fortunately one of the premed sdners came to my side.

I think the lounge is a place for attendings moreso than anyone else. They dont have any censors and say anything that crosses their mind.

I just want to point out that what goes on in the lounge is not all that different than what goes on in some real life attending lounges. Probably more filtered as there's no anonymity attached but most will speak their minds, especially the older attendings. What premeds should keep in mind is that being a doctor is just part of who we are. Yes, the profession demands professionalism and courtesy when interacting with patients and colleagues but at the end of the day we're all human. We say inappropriate stuff, laugh at inappropriate jokes, we have our own biases and prejudices. There's nothing magical about doctors or some higher morality qualifications. At the end of the day you want to be comfortable working and that includes crude humor and inappropriate language sometimes. No one wants to work in a sterile environment. The most fun ORs I've been a part of are the ones that would send the HR dept into cardiac arrest.

My experience may also be colored by the surgical lounges I hang out in. Surgeons you know ... lol.

 

[gyngyn]

My experience may also be colored by the surgical lounges I hang out in. Surgeons you know ... lol.

Avoid vulgar gynecologists.

 

[Robin-jay]

The anonymity factor allows members to be negative and condescending, which are qualities I wish you could screen in account holders.

You have pros and cons.

Internet makes it easier to be blunt, which is a form of honesty. In that way, you'd be surprised how helpful "tough love" can be.

For example I shared my joy about my husband baking a cake, I uploaded the photo, stated it wasnt a pretty cake but full of love. A user wrote it looked like “feces”.

That is hilarious.

Some my call it a trifling thing, but for a gay married couple already rejected by our “families” and my husband having a chronic medical order, it was just pointless.

some forums are better than others in terms of "support" for whatever you're looking for. I'm sure if you used Google, you could find a forums where people would care about these things.

This is a pysician forums.

Likewise I attend a US medical school and offen defend Caribbean medical students.

Defending them as people is fine. Defending the choice of going to the Caribbeans is not.

I appreciate SDN as I wrote earlier. But SDN members calling gay users like me sodomites all “joking” is sophomric, condescending and just pointless. Its a power tning to make another feel worse than they already do thanks to the anti-gay sentiment in our world

"The Lounge" forums are not meant to comfort. The regular medical forums on this site won't be too stringent with "gay rights, etc.".

Either way, I don't know why you are searching for comfort here. This isn't really a "get to know you forums", its an "advice forums" for "professional students".

m all for your elimination of negativity and anger on this little piece of the world

Thanks for everything you do

You have an overall good message, don't get me wrong. But I think its good for people to blow off steam and be a bit more blunt on the forums. It adds a little "reality" to the profession as a whole.

 

[gyngyn]

Thus to review, SDN is not a toxic place but it can be:

nasty
den of inquity
scummy and villainous
and
gynnies can be gross

I believe that the Lounge is the one place that can sometimes be described this way (except the "gynnies." I haven't seen any vulgar Ob-Gyns here ).

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Thus to review, SDN is not a toxic place but it can be:



nasty



den of inquity



scummy and villainous

and



gynnies can be gross

cue the soundtrack to the Blob....

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You will have to ask @Goro about the Blob because I am not as old as her

It can also apparently be judgmental and white knighty.

 

[Goro]

It can also apparently be judgmental and white knighty.

And a place of righteous outrage

 

[dpmd]

Since I am being referenced as somehow being rude and anti gay in my comment I figured I would share it here. Was also going to say you could follow the quote back to the thread and view the cake in question to decide for yourself whether I was off base or not, but he has since changed the picture (though his own post indicates he realized it wasn't pretty)

Very nice of him but that cake looks too much like feces to me

Even if you think it is rude, not sure how it can be considered to relate to him being gay

 

[Stroganoff]

I agree with people annoyingly complaining about people not using the search bar. People who say "use search bar" for everything gets old.

One example where people should use the search bar is something like MD vs DO.

1. New members don't want to learn to navigate the forums perfectly.
2. People like being directly spoken to about their questions.
3. people often have cases that are similar to previous posters, but just different enough to justify a new thread.

I honestly don't see a problem with people re-posting similar questions.

I got the strangest, nerdiest idea from this post to kind of build "Search templates" in a Stickied thread for newbies that kind of hand-holds and links them to the most commonly performed searches.

So the URL for the "MD vs DO" query that searches all Pre-Medical forums (for me) came to be:

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/search/110316211/?q=MD+vs+DO&t=post&o=relevance&c[node]=5+10+1121+962+418+1106+13+1108+603+689+31+134+110+859+95+220​

but this is problematic because I suppose each search is logged separately in the system (possibly the number in red in the above URL) for logging purposes, so I don't know if the forum software is able to stage generic, repeatable "search templates" based on common search queries that a forum beginner would most likely perform.

So the structure I had in mind would be like:

<Stickied Thread>Top Searches for Beginners

1. Common Search #1
2. Common Search #2
3. Common Search #3​

and I have no idea what common searches or threads are, but I'm sure this can be queried from logs and statistics to come up with a Top 10 List or something....

This may 1) Introduce newbies to common searches that they're already thinking about, and 2) gently condition them to use the search function first before necessarily starting a new thread to make sure they really want to create the thread.

I'm not sure if this is even possible without the forum software allowing generic search queries to be embedded in the URL to link to, and this probably sounded cooler in my head. but maybe it's a middle-ground compromise between annoying the regulars who have seen all the usual threads + pre-empt newbies in a guide to most popular searches.


Edit: Whoa, it worked from another browser where I *wasn't* logged in... In other words, the search URL above, Search Results for Query: MD vs DO | Student Doctor Network appropriately links to the "MD vs. DO" query I originally performed like 10 minutes ago. So a repeatable template may be possible after all.

 

[Lucca]

Do not use this thread to dredge up Lounge arguments and feuds. Let us also refrain from calling out individual members. Whether or not one agrees with the first comments made, a user expressed a concern without resorting to call outs. The people familiar with the specific comments can look at the thread and come to their own conclusions.

If you want to continue that line of conversation, please do so over PM.

 

[Robin-jay]

I got the strangest, nerdiest idea from this post to kind of build "Search templates" in a Stickied thread for newbies that kind of hand-holds and links them to the most commonly performed searches.

So the URL for the "MD vs DO" query that searches all Pre-Medical forums (for me) came to be:

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/search/110316211/?q=MD+vs+DO&t=post&o=relevance&c[node]=5+10+1121+962+418+1106+13+1108+603+689+31+134+110+859+95+220​

but this is problematic because I suppose each search is logged separately in the system (possibly the number in red in the above URL) for logging purposes, so I don't know if the forum software is able to stage generic, repeatable "search templates" based on common search queries that a forum beginner would most likely perform.

So the structure I had in mind would be like:

<Stickied Thread>Top Searches for Beginners

1. Common Search #1
2. Common Search #2
3. Common Search #3​

and I have no idea what common searches or threads are, but I'm sure this can be queried from logs and statistics to come up with a Top 10 List or something....

This may 1) Introduce newbies to common searches that they're already thinking about, and 2) gently condition them to use the search function first before necessarily starting a new thread to make sure they really want to create the thread.

I'm not sure if this is even possible without the forum software allowing generic search queries to be embedded in the URL to link to, and this probably sounded cooler in my head. but maybe it's a middle-ground compromise between annoying the regulars who have seen all the usual threads + pre-empt newbies in a guide to most popular searches.


Edit: Whoa, it worked from another browser where I *wasn't* logged in... In other words, the search URL above, Search Results for Query: MD vs DO | Student Doctor Network appropriately links to the "MD vs. DO" query I originally performed like 10 minutes ago. So a repeatable template may be possible after all.

All seems reasonable to me.

Although, not all newbies want to learn how the site runs. Many just want to ask one major question in a thread they created, and move on with their lives.

In theory, easing them "in the ways of the search bar" sounds great for members past 10 posts, but 90% of people are just looking for a quick question before disappearing forever.