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Apologies for going tinfoil for a second...
But if we thought they were poisoned and they weren't actually . ... we wouldn't yeet them
@_rae_ I'm assuming you want their initial suspicion of beans as I've attached their cryptic message about night actions. Scrolling that far while getting notifications and being at by dog's appointment was v stressful 🤣
You keep saying flipped but I never did. I feel like I've remained reasonably suspicious of beans and only stated I have reason to believe they were in fact poisoned. Do with that what you will. You're really making me regret sharing info with the village 😅
You did. I'm not saying that's wrong. If you helped them in any capacity - you believed (enough) that they were V. Now you're voting for them.

I'm not sure if the "regretting telling the village" is an appeal to emotion, but it feels like it.

If for some reason you are innocent, I'm truly sorry for going in on you like this, but I've narrowed my suspect list down farther today and you're someone that has set off my internal alarm. Now this could be poisoned well from your interaction with beans, I admit.
 
i’m thinking about rae’s case on vampy, there are some good points

a wolf claiming to be a village sided 3P would be bold, but not completely out of the ordinary for a player as experienced as vampy; although certainly vampy could be a bad 3P that’s worth thinking about

vampy being blocked on a night where no one died is interesting

but i don’t really think if a blocker exists, they’re good though
 
@_rae_ I'm assuming you want their initial suspicion of beans as I've attached their cryptic message about night actions. Scrolling that far while getting notifications and being at by dog's appointment was v stressful 🤣

You did. I'm not saying that's wrong. If you helped them in any capacity - you believed (enough) that they were V. Now you're voting for them.

I'm not sure if the "regretting telling the village" is an appeal to emotion, but it feels like it.

If for some reason you are innocent, I'm truly sorry for going in on you like this, but I've narrowed my suspect list down farther today and you're someone that has set off my internal alarm. Now this could be poisoned well from your interaction with beans, I admit.
I want to add -
I thought we discussed leaving beans alone to see if they were being truthful. This would have narrowed some things down.

Worst case scenario we were wrong and they would have died, losing another villager, +/- a night ability (which they have not alluded to). This is my first game - but would losing a mayor have some kind of consequences I don't know about that would make it worthwhile?
 
I want to add -
I thought we discussed leaving beans alone to see if they were being truthful. This would have narrowed some things down.

Worst case scenario we were wrong and they would have died, losing another villager, +/- a night ability (which they have not alluded to). This is my first game - but would losing a mayor have some kind of consequences I don't know about that would make it worthwhile?
This is your first game?!
 
I'm shocked because you seem so confident I had no idea
I'm definitely winging this to a degree. I'm happy to admit when I don't know / don't understand a mechanic though.

I would like to say I grew up as the oldest of 3 sisters so I have to be good at snuffing out sus (eg. STEALING MY CLOTHES).

I did axe sps and almost axed T4C though so I am far from perfect.
 
but i’m confused because T4C insists they kept getting blocked, implying they also got blocked N1
 
i got blocked when i looked into rae N1, T4C got blocked when they looked into rae N2
I know that. But you are saying if a blocker exists they aren't good because of that? Like their reads are bad? I'm not trying to give you a hard time I genuinely just don't understand lol.
 
soft confirming without outright saying it would be okay, but plz dont be too obvious
If apop is healer and healed beans-assuming they were truly poisoned-their flip from questioning beans' claims to backing off could be them trying to softly confirm. And if this is what apop is going for, I'm sorry, I think I just put a target on your back.

As for Vampy, their suggestion to have people report on night actions raised some of my internal alarms. Especially since I thought it was established after beans' mistake-asking about people's night actions-that we shouldn't strategize too much during the night cycle. Asking who's night actions worked may seem innocent and harmless, but could it really not have waited until the day cycle? Unless...Vampy is W who knew their night kill would be blocked and it wouldn't matter.

She's also been referring to herself as V, when she is a 3p, who have their own win conditions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't mean Vampy can win with either faction and it doesn't specifically need to be with V?
 
I know that. But you are saying if a blocker exists they aren't good because of that? Like their reads are bad? I'm not trying to give you a hard time I genuinely just don't understand lol.
i’m worried we have a wolf blocker targeting investigative roles

we know sksisk flipped tracker, so a wolf could have a blocker and targeted villagers who they suspect have investigative powers
 
i’m worried we have a wolf blocker targeting investigative roles

we know sksisk flipped tracker, so a wolf could have a blocker and targeted villagers who they suspect have investigative powers
Oh not good as in wolf. Got it
 
If apop is healer and healed beans-assuming they were truly poisoned-their flip from questioning beans' claims to backing off could be them trying to softly confirm. And if this is what apop is going for, I'm sorry, I think I just put a target on your back.

As for Vampy, their suggestion to have people report on night actions raised some of my internal alarms. Especially since I thought it was established after beans' mistake-asking about people's night actions-that we shouldn't strategize too much during the night cycle. Asking who's night actions worked may seem innocent and harmless, but could it really not have waited until the day cycle? Unless...Vampy is W who knew their night kill would be blocked and it wouldn't matter.

She's also been referring to herself as V, when she is a 3p, who have their own win conditions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't mean Vampy can win with either faction and it doesn't specifically need to be with V?
@vampyrica Tide is starting to turn on you, so tagging you as you requested
 
If apop is healer and healed beans-assuming they were truly poisoned-their flip from questioning beans' claims to backing off could be them trying to softly confirm. And if this is what apop is going for, I'm sorry, I think I just put a target on your back.

As for Vampy, their suggestion to have people report on night actions raised some of my internal alarms. Especially since I thought it was established after beans' mistake-asking about people's night actions-that we shouldn't strategize too much during the night cycle. Asking who's night actions worked may seem innocent and harmless, but could it really not have waited until the day cycle? Unless...Vampy is W who knew their night kill would be blocked and it wouldn't matter.

She's also been referring to herself as V, when she is a 3p, who have their own win conditions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't mean Vampy can win with either faction and it doesn't specifically need to be with V?
My question though is why did they heal beans if they were still suspicious of them. Just let beans die.

Voting for them today is less effective.
 
i’m worried we have a wolf blocker targeting investigative roles

we know sksisk flipped tracker, so a wolf could have a blocker and targeted villagers who they suspect have investigative powers
What's the likelihood that anyone, village or wolf, would hit two investigative roles two nights in a row though?
 
As for my tendency to bandwagon, I like to wait and hear everyone out before voting. Hence why I haven't voted for Vampy yet. Maybe I'm just a straight-forward simpleton, but I don't like changing my votes all the time. The flip-flopping makes my head spin-which makes you a REAL joy to play with, fruit.
 
Vampy: AKA The Big Bad Wolf (or Big Bad 3p Aligned with the Wolves)

Long overdue is me giving evidence for vampy being a wolf rather than just spouting off. @vampyrica I'm tagging you because I think going through someone's post history feels invasive and whether your village, wolf, or 3p I feel you should be able to rebuttle when you are ready.

I apologize as I don't know how to do the spoiler thingy so this is going to be looooooong as I am quite literally going through all 42 pages.


Vampy came in pretty chill, as we all did, saying hi and doing her own thang. She did originally ask if we should elect based on experience but ultimately elected a total noob to mayor. Do I have a leg to stand on also being a total noob who ran for mayor? Maybe not, but I think the choice given game events is worth squinting at.

The rest of day one and some of night one, she was at UC/ER with her pup. Just creating a timeline, there's no reading into this.

Vampy was able to rejoin us close to night one close. Genny died, sparing anyone from being NK1'd.

Vampy here suggest that "hmm maybe there are other3p players we should be aware of, but that's not important right now". An interesting choice given that she later claimed her alignment is 3p (village). If she knew she was 3p, why in the world would she hint at it here in such a way?

I still stand by Beans leadership has been a bit weak, and while I see more wolfing today, it feels very surface level. Yes beans is noob and vampy was in their last game, so deferring here might be seen as a noob asking for help from a known player, but our conversations over the last few days have had the two connected, and I don't think dismissing this is helpful.

Beans asked about people's night actions here. Again, not something directly against vampy EXCEPT that vampy will later ask a similar question on N2. The two of them seemingly fishing for people to give up their night actions feels sus to me. Especially since at the time, we were unaware that so many people seemed to have them. Finding the people with actions and killing them first gives the wolves the best advantages possible.

We continued on chatting that day about joke posts, suspicion on fruit, and generally encouraging new players to contribute.

PBC eventually ends up voting CeeGee. By later in the day votes were scattered between T4C, CeeGee, and sksisk who will here on out be referred to as SK because I can't spell that right every time. We spend a lot of this day (like 10 pages) going back and forth getting reads. Later in the day, Vampy votes SK, which starts the SK train.

Vampy was keeping very close track of the votes here. It could just be being helpful for sure. Just something I'm noting.
End of D2, SK gets yeeted.

Vampy seems unbothered, despite the fact that we lost a villager with a power role, again something we didn't know was so prevalent in the game at the time. Even without major contribution this felt like a huge setback.

Tensions run high for the very beginning of N2 and I don't feel reading into those posts is super helpful. N2 is mostly us yapping, nothing serious.

Then we get this. Which starts a weird chain of events.
Fruit? Purple. Beans? Poisoned (allegedly). In vampy's favorite phrase: Hotel? Trivago.

Vampy votes T4C. Which tracks with the thought process the night before.




Despite fruit's first post in purple, Vampy says nothing.

Fruit and I spend some time going back and forth, I vote fruit. Vampy jumps in in the morning to join the fruit questioning. I put my tinfoil hat on and do the thing I do best; push when I have a strong gut feeling.


Vamp makes what I read as a slightly confusing argument against the "beans being poisoned is a trap". Katie later argues that if beans is lying about being poisoned to sus someone out, we would never know if they were healed or simply never at risk of dying.

This is where I start to throw some of my suspicions vampy's way. I point out that it feels as if beans has been leaning on her for a lot of guidance, and that she pretty effortlessly took on a leadership role in the game, something that would be very beneficial to a wolf pack. I am still very much on my fruit train at that point in time.


Now THIS. This is interesting. Fruit can't read alignments but can tell if two people are the same or different. Fruit goes to yeet PBC.


Vampy seems very unperturbed.


This feels like a very convenient way to take pressure of her.

Now at this point, vampy and I get in a small kerfluffle about absent players. My ONLY note on this ignoring any other differing opinions is that I noted either T4C or spurs was with family and deserved a little slack, to which vampy disagreed (again, not trying to restart this argument), but then when it was brought up again with beans, she seemed totally fine with the "family matters more" argument I had made earlier in the game. Something specifically to do with beans maybe, especially now knowing T4C was village? At that point, I was feeling frustrated by my inability to interpret what fruit was trying to get at and my disagreement with vampy, so I took a break from the thread. When I came back



This is the first hint we get that vampy might not be village, which is a convenient response given that our only 3p confirmation is genny who seemed to be someone the mods knew from the beginning would die, and easily explains away fruit's "different alignments" conundrum.
This is where I jump back in after my self imposed time out to continue discussing why I'm sus of vampy.



This feels.... a bit doth protest too much? I never said activity was a problem, Katie has been active, fruit has been active, just that vampy has seemed to be someone in a position of sway and power, with what I'm seeing as a deep tie to beans. Her main defense was she had been helping people and giving advice which I still stand by my response:





No vampy is back to being inconsistent. Are you 3p? Are you village? Are you a village aligned 3p?

This feels like a desperate attempt to push suspicion away from herself and being backed into a corner.


Further makes me feel as if beans and vampy are tied, as beans had just posted an updated reads list with vampy as possible scum.


Again, referring to herself as village.





Lots of build up on vampy here.

Finally we get to vampy saying she's not village. Despite previously hinting at 3p and switching back to calling herself village. This conveniently gets her out of the corner she was in and fruit switches focus back to T4C.

Again, this feels like a revelation that should have gained more attention because vampy is essentially saying "I'm not village, but I could be" and has separate win conditions. This is where I first started to think that if vampy isn't wolf, she might be 3p malevolent.


Manages to get PBC to swing back around and unvote her, and goes right back to T4C.


Beans is also more than happy to swing back to our later confirmed villager.
This is also the point I chime in that too many people are voting T4C and there has to be wolves in that group, making me suspicious something else is going on, so I vote vampy. Katie and spurs, and even fruit somewhat, see my point and begin questioning. At 8:26 pm, 34 minutes before close, T4C drops that someone blocked their night activity, yet no one starts to question that until 8:56 pm when they mention I was the one they were trying to look into N2. Vampy was puppy sitting at this time but seemed to be in and out, I withhold judgement there to maintain my stance that time off the forum is important.

T4C is confirmed a village seer, womp effing womp.

As I stated, I spent most of D2 suggesting something was wrong with either fruit or vampy and I stayed true to that the whole day. Saying that no one said anything was an interesting choice; it feels like it was ignoring me putting heat on her.

This again is essentially fishing to see who has night roles and who doesn't. This is part of the reason I got quiet about my N1 results, because it felt like vampy was searching for me to give up whether I was vanilla or not.



CeeGee jumps on it and says "hey maybe not", and vampy coolly goes "nah it could be helpful", despite the fact that we've already discussed that RR can make you a target for wolves.

First mention of this "ability", restriction does make sense given planned genny death.


Again mentions being 3p.

Vampy is digging really hard here for me to give something up.

Vampy takes a break from the forum this night cycle.



This cinches it for me. Fruit and T4C have both mentioned being blocked previously, both claiming seer roles. But the night that Vampy "gets to use her power" she's blocked and no one dies?

And now we're caught up!
hey so this was alot and i’m gonna be honest, cannot read all of it and had to stop when i began getting frustrated at you pulling things out of thin air:

• why would I need to reveal I’m 3p after genny dies? wolves didnt need to know that information that early on, you’re supposed to let them keep guessing if we have another one. i only revealed because fruit let the alignments comments out and i had to make sure i wasnt misyeeted, therefore, revealed at that time knowing the risk i would die.

• yes. my ability was able to be used following N1. i’m assuming it had to be triggered by genny’s death. this f’s me over by revealing again, but my ability and how it is town aligned is because i can give vigilante shots. one ever odd night cycle, i grant someone a vig shot who will then be able to shoot someone during the next night cycle. whoever receives it will know it came from me!!!!

• i still dont excuse inactivity. we’re deep into the cycle and we’re down to the wire here. i never excused beans? i dont see a quote for me excusing beans for beint absent. i was also given a warning in dms for being unsportsmanlike so i just bit my tongue and played nice and understanding in the thread for the sake of my own and everyone else’s sanity.

• i never fished for night roles. i never asked “hey who has what? what do YOU do? and what can YOU do?” i was genuinely just trying to get a consensus on where things were going astray.

and finally, if me being helpful in the thread and providing both unbiased and town biased advice for newbies who have questions and are confused, is seen as wolfy, then idk what to tell you. that sounds so ridiculous to me. and AGAIN, if i all of a sudden shut my mouth and just let you all figure it out on your own i would never hear the end of “VAMPY WAS SO HELPFUL AND THEN SHE GOT CALLED OUT AND SHUT UP SHE’S TOTALLY WOLF!!!” but when i continue “shes giving too much advice. she’s keeping voting lists in the chat” be so entirely for real
 
I also didn't know about this until recently so when the whole RR thing happened, I just assumed it was fine.
Vampy said somewhere she's technically 3p, but is good aligned? Whatever that last part means. She's been counting herself as V, but 3p is its own faction
 
As for my tendency to bandwagon, I like to wait and hear everyone out before voting. Hence why I haven't voted for Vampy yet. Maybe I'm just a straight-forward simpleton, but I don't like changing my votes all the time. The flip-flopping makes my head spin-which makes you a REAL joy to play with, fruit.
This is why I haven't voted yet today either. There is too much evidence coming up. Not changing my vote from T4C backfired so I'm being more patient today
 
do you want my win conditions? like what more can i say here without copy and pasting my entire mod message
 
If apop is healer and healed beans-assuming they were truly poisoned-their flip from questioning beans' claims to backing off could be them trying to softly confirm. And if this is what apop is going for, I'm sorry, I think I just put a target on your back.

As for Vampy, their suggestion to have people report on night actions raised some of my internal alarms. Especially since I thought it was established after beans' mistake-asking about people's night actions-that we shouldn't strategize too much during the night cycle. Asking who's night actions worked may seem innocent and harmless, but could it really not have waited until the day cycle? Unless...Vampy is W who knew their night kill would be blocked and it wouldn't matter.

She's also been referring to herself as V, when she is a 3p, who have their own win conditions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't mean Vampy can win with either faction and it doesn't specifically need to be with V?
i would correct you but apparently if i do, it’s wolfy. do i have permission to answer this question?
 
Also - IDK if this will help address the mayor leadership concerns or not. But I am at home visiting family this week before school starts so I'm trying to balance both this game and time with them. That's why I've been absent at times.

but i understand she’s busy spending family time which is v v valid
 
Vampy said somewhere she's technically 3p, but is good aligned? Whatever that last part means. She's been counting herself as V, but 3p is its own faction
I get that part. I meant that I didn't know they have their own win conditions which changes things.
 
okay will you also be quoting my messages to nicole as well? where i said i understood she was busy with orientation??
 
and finally, if me being helpful in the thread and providing both unbiased and town biased advice for newbies who have questions and are confused, is seen as wolfy, then idk what to tell you. that sounds so ridiculous to me. and AGAIN, if i all of a sudden shut my mouth and just let you all figure it out on your own i would never hear the end of “VAMPY WAS SO HELPFUL AND THEN SHE GOT CALLED OUT AND SHUT UP SHE’S TOTALLY WOLF!!!” but when i continue “shes giving too much advice. she’s keeping voting lists in the chat” be so entirely for real
I'm quite literally saying that you're genuinely a helpful enough person that even as a wolf, you wouldn't want to the noobs to flounder. And that you want enough of a game to be there to feel like you won. So no, helping noobs and taking on a leadership role in place of beans does not clear you.
 
I'm quite literally saying that you're genuinely a helpful enough person that even as a wolf, you wouldn't want to the noobs to flounder. And that you want enough of a game to be there to feel like you won. So no, helping noobs and taking on a leadership role in place of beans does not clear you.
i really hate the fact you’re putting me in this leadership position. i’m not a leader, again, god forbid i answer questions.

so let me ask then rae, what’s more towny to you? being an experienced player and deliberately not answering questions people have or to answer questions from all sides?
 
When you're besties with the mayor and have misyeeted two people at YOUR lead, it's wolfy as ****
besties with the mayor? bitch what???????

MY LEAD?! i was forced to vote first, what the hell do you want from me?
 
Go ahead, fight it out vampy. You stated yourself that you didn't read the whole thing because breaking apart the post into tiny pieces makes me look crazy, but all the evidence together points to you being either wolf or not village.

The biggest point that only fruit has mentioned being

THE NIGHT VAMPY CLAIMS TO BE BLOCKED, NO ONE DIES
 
Go ahead, fight it out vampy. You stated yourself that you didn't read the whole thing because breaking apart the post into tiny pieces makes me look crazy, but all the evidence together points to you being either wolf or not village.

The biggest point that only fruit has mentioned being

THE NIGHT VAMPY CLAIMS TO BE BLOCKED, NO ONE DIES
if this is not the most obvious framing i literally have no idea what is
 
but you know what, if this is how it’s going to be until endgame, i’m over it. i absolutely tried to keep everyone in the right direction. yeeting me will contribute to a town loss since there’s still every single wolf still out there.

this isn’t reverse psychology. i’m sick and tired of my. helpfulness and willingness to collaborate and help is being looked at maliciously.

unyeet rae
yeet vampyrica
 
When you're besties with the mayor and have misyeeted two people at YOUR lead, it's wolfy as ****
I don't think it's fair to say Vampy led the lead for us misyeeting people.

I believe beans voted for SK first. Sure, Vampy voting again may have started up the train, but I stand by the notion that it was SK dropping a suspcious-and kinda unhelpful-post before peacing out was what led to them being voted out.

Vampy just voted for T4C since she had to go first and T4C was the lead suspect.
 
but you know what, if this is how it’s going to be until endgame, i’m over it. i absolutely tried to keep everyone in the right direction. yeeting me will contribute to a town loss since there’s still every single wolf still out there.

this isn’t reverse psychology. i’m sick and tired of my. helpfulness and willingness to collaborate and help is being looked at maliciously.

unyeet rae
yeet vampyrica
@WildZoo @kaydubs
 
but you know what, if this is how it’s going to be until endgame, i’m over it. i absolutely tried to keep everyone in the right direction. yeeting me will contribute to a town loss since there’s still every single wolf still out there.

this isn’t reverse psychology. i’m sick and tired of my. helpfulness and willingness to collaborate and help is being looked at maliciously.

unyeet rae
yeet vampyrica
Girl, no, don’t do this.
 
I don't think it's fair to say Vampy led the lead for us misyeeting people.

I believe beans voted for SK first. Sure, Vampy voting again may have started up the train, but I stand by the notion that it was SK dropping a suspcious-and kinda unhelpful-post before peacing out was what led to them being voted out.

Vampy just voted for T4C since she had to go first and T4C was the lead suspect.
Let’s be so fr - SK got themself yeeted.

“I’m not a wolf hope this helps”

Then absolutely nothing. We had nothing to work with day 1. It was an unfortunate misyeet but I don’t think we can blame anyone. I also voted SK.
 
Girl, no, don’t do this.
i’m so over this repetitive “shes too helpful shes wolfy clearly” like what else am i supposed to do? let people just guess their way through? zenge helped me and guided me through my first WW match here and he was accused of being a wolf, and he flipped town.

if you have legit reasoning against me, use those. but stop using my willingness to help as a reason for wolfiness. i’m so sick and tired of it.
 
I get that part. I meant that I didn't know they have their own win conditions which changes things.
If what my manator told me is correct, 3p can win with either party since they're technically not aligned with anyone. But they have their own exclusive win condition that means only they win. Not V or W, but just them.
 
That’s what I’m saying, but no one believes me. FWIW…I’ve been blocked from doing any night activities, so I’m def feeling targeted by the wolves.

Ya’ll are gonna feel dumb when they kill be and find out I’m just a villager who can investigate ppl…but I’ve been blocked.

I tried to investigate Rae N2 and someone blocked me from doing it. Beans was also high on the list of suspects. Got them mixed up.

Unyeet Beans
Yeet Rae

No idea, I keep getting blocked.
T4C maintains they’re getting blocked, but i’m only assuming that’s the case for N1
 
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