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[_rae_]

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You know what. **** it.

###vote fruit###

@kaydubs @animalmidwife

 

[fruitsalad]

remember that i was discussed quite a bit yesterday and a lot of people were echoing i’m tricky or hard to read or sneaky etc.

 

[fruitsalad]

You know what. **** it.

###vote fruit###

@kaydubs @animalmidwife

this is a bad move, although your reaction is noted

 

[_rae_]

If you would explain why it’s a bad move I would reconsider.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

beans was referring to a doctor or a protector type role?

Oops, my reading comprehension. But either way a poisoner and/or healer are not uncommon roles so that development at least isn't too much of a had

*edit oh my god my stupid fingers. Too much of a head scratch is what I meant

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Oops, my reading comprehension. But either way a poisoner and/or healer are not uncommon roles so that development at least isn't too much of a had

*edit oh my god my stupid fingers. Too much of a head scratch is what I meant

Hold on @fruitsalad, my comment was in response to your "how is poisoning a valid night mechanic?" question

 

[fruitsalad]

If you would explain why it’s a bad move I would reconsider.

your justification is i’m typing in purple, refusing to explain the mechanics why that’s happening, and being intentionally cagey and coy when it’s pretty much the opposite. the day started with understanding what happened at night, and i’m trying to process things and explaining as i go, and it seems you’re not appreciating that. part of my play is observing interactions and i know i’ve been a popular target from yesterday and want to see if this is because of that

keeping me around will be helpful because i am very much clear and have been with my thought processes so far. mechanics however isnt my strong suit

 

[fruitsalad]

Oops, my reading comprehension. But either way a poisoner and/or healer are not uncommon roles so that development at least isn't too much of a had

*edit oh my god my stupid fingers. Too much of a head scratch is what I meant

Hold on @fruitsalad, my comment was in response to your "how is poisoning a valid night mechanic?" question

you can have protectors/doctor roles without poisoning? rae made a claim its a valid mechanic on something i have never seen before, so it’s just as new as whatever that happened to vampy or me. to say valid usually has some familiarity otherwise that word choice is a bit too assuming

 

[CeeGee14]

Is it possible that whoever ended up being major would be destined to be poisoned/die anyway? Assuming becoming mayor gives you some perks, it’ll probably come with drawbacks too. So there might not even be a healer in this game

 

[_rae_]

Is it possible that whoever ended up being major would be destined to be poisoned/die anyway? Assuming becoming mayor gives you some perks, it’ll probably come with drawbacks too. So there might not even be a healer in this game

That is a possibilty

 

[_rae_]

Idk fruit isn’t gonna up and die overnight and I need to go to bed.

I’m coming back tomorrow afternoon after a doctor’s appointment and my SHORT HAIRED CAT who needs to go to the groomer’s appointment to plead my case.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Alright village fam. It’s bedtime.

I don’t like the vibe I’m getting from fruit either, but I’m trying to figure out if they’re genuinely confused vs trying to act confused as a cover for true shadiness. Maybe it’s impossible to know but I’ll at least sleep on it, and would like to see how @Therapist4Chnge and @CeeGee14 do over the course of the day as well since they were under suspicion as well yesterday.

 

[fruitsalad]

Idk fruit isn’t gonna up and die overnight and I need to go to bed.

I’m coming back tomorrow afternoon after a doctor’s appointment and my SHORT HAIRED CAT who needs to go to the groomer’s appointment to plead my case.

on that note, i think you’re excessively stretching the comparison with the last game, which was nonstandard by design, and you didn’t see me village. so you’re kinda already looking at things from a sus-tinted glasses because you dont have village me to compare.

 

[fruitsalad]

Alright village fam. It’s bedtime.

I don’t like the vibe I’m getting from fruit either, but I’m trying to figure out if they’re genuinely confused vs trying to act confused as a cover for true shadiness. Maybe it’s impossible to know but I’ll at least sleep on it, and would like to see how @Therapist4Chnge and @CeeGee14 do over the course of the day as well since they were under suspicion as well yesterday.

i’m pretty confused generally but i think i see what’s happening

 

[PrincessButterCup]

This conversation is so bizarre to me. @_rae_ @fruitsalad


1. Someone was poisoned in the night, or so they claim

2. Someone else says that's a valid night action and not confusing (I interpret "valid" to I mean it exists in sdn WW meta and is not unprecedented, although it is the first occurrence in this game)

3. Someone else questions why it's valid, and we get this whole thing

4. . . . I mean, it happened so of course it's "valid"? Unless I'm misinterpreting this and you're doubting Bean is being truthful, Frutie? Why is this even a point of contention?

 

[PrincessButterCup]

your justification is i’m typing in purple, refusing to explain the mechanics why that’s happening, and being intentionally cagey and coy when it’s pretty much the opposite. the day started with understanding what happened at night, and i’m trying to process things and explaining as i go, and it seems you’re not appreciating that. part of my play is observing interactions and i know i’ve been a popular target from yesterday and want to see if this is because of that

keeping me around will be helpful because i am very much clear and have been with my thought processes so far. mechanics however isnt my strong suit

I will say that there are often restrictions on what we can share about night results, so Frutie not giving specifics on their post restriction is not automatically sketch.

 

[fruitsalad]

This conversation is so bizarre to me. @_rae_ @fruitsalad


1. Someone was poisoned in the night, or so they claim

2. Someone else says that's a valid night action and not confusing (I interpret "valid" to I mean it exists in sdn WW meta and is not unprecedented, although it is the first occurrence in this game)

3. Someone else questions why it's valid, and we get this whole thing

4. . . . I mean, it happened so of course it's "valid"? Unless I'm misinterpreting this and you're doubting Bean is being truthful, Frutie? Why is this even a point of contention?

i was responding to rae’s post that used the valid terminology, which to me assumed familiarity (it was odd because i didn’t see these roles before).

What’s confusing about our situation other than vampy? Indy was killed and beans was poisoned, both valid night mechanics. You and vampy are our odd ones out and I think a wolf is involved in at least one of them.

the discussion is apparently semantical but part of the broader conversation on why i perceived the night to be a confusing scenario.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

i was responding to rae’s post that used the valid terminology, which to me assumed familiarity (it was odd because i didn’t see these roles before).


the discussion is apparently semantical but part of the broader conversation on why i perceived the night to be a confusing scenario.

I've been quoting my favorite Shakespeare quote for some of my reads on Spurs, but your confusion over the poisoning mechanic is giving "doth protest too much" vibes too.

Although it would be a huge over sell on top of the post restriction today, so I'm inclined to side eye it and leave it at that for now.

 

[fruitsalad]

Unless I'm misinterpreting this and you're doubting Bean is being truthful, Frutie?

no, i believe the poisoning

 

[fruitsalad]

I've been quoting my favorite Shakespeare quote for some of my reads on Spurs, but your confusion over the poisoning mechanic is giving "doth protest too much" vibes too.

Although it would be a huge over sell on top of the post restriction today, so I'm inclined to side eye it and leave it at that for now.

i’m not confused over the poisoning mechanic, i’m confused over the usage of the word valid when referring to poisoning since it was completely new to me

 

[PrincessButterCup]

i’m not confused over the poisoning mechanic, i’m confused over the usage of the word valid when referring to poisoning since it was completely new to me

Hmm. So if I'm getting you right here, you're shading Rae for being familiar with this mechanic since you haven't seen it before, so potentially Rae is the wolf/involved with the wolves who did it?

Either way . . . in a noob game I'm assuming that not every player has personally experienced every possible thing that can happen in WW, especially when there are a hundred and one variations for every possible mechanic. I've been on the road for 8 hours and I left my laptop in Idaho so I'm not firing on all cylinders here but I think it's a stretch to read into someone being unsurprised by the existence of a poisoning mechanic. The exception is if someone has slipped and shared something that was not already in the thread, which hasn't happened here, unless I missed it.

 

[fruitsalad]

Hmm. So if I'm getting you right here, you're shading Rae for being familiar with this mechanic since you haven't seen it before, so potentially Rae is the wolf/involved with the wolves who did it?

Either way . . . in a noob game I'm assuming that not every player has personally experienced every possible thing that can happen in WW, especially when there are a hundred and one variations for every possible mechanic. I've been on the road for 8 hours and I left my laptop in Idaho so I'm not firing on all cylinders here but I think it's a stretch to read into someone being unsurprised by the existence of a poisoning mechanic. The exception is if someone has slipped and shared something that was not already in the thread, which hasn't happened here, unless I missed it.

so let me see if i can clarify this

i began the day typing in purple text and figuring out what happened the previous night because a lot of stuff was going on. vampy being required to vote first, beans being poisoned, indy being killed, my having to type in purple all collectively created a confusing and a bit of a chaotic situation that i was trying to sort it out

rae thinks the situation wasn’t weird, because indy being killed and beans being poisoned were “valid mechanics” but vampy vote weirdness and my typing in purple were what’s confusing but not sure what’s wolf driven

i asked rae how poisoning was a valid mechanic since it was new to me, and so to me, on par with vampy weirdness, purple text etc that was going on and confusing. valid mechanic assumed familiarity on something that’s new to me

it doesn’t negate beans’ point that she was poisoned nor does it imply a wolf was the poisoner. in fact, the poisoner could be village, because beans was suspected the prior day over that fishy post by multiple people

i’m just saying the night was confusing to me, and all these things collectively played a role that i’m trying to figure it out.

remember night started late and this discussion happened immediately while i was posting my thoughts on the thread, part of why i was hesitating to disclose more is to avoid adding to more confusion when my goal is to bring clarity and be an open book

 

[fruitsalad]

like i said earlier, several people said and believed the previous day i’m tricky, so the purple text could be a consequence of that

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Our two big known pieces of info so far are the village Sk yeet D2, and Indy kill N2.

Quoting Indy's read list for reference:

Indy's Haunted Ride of D1 Reads:

Note: order doesn't matter within sections and if there's not a note beside their name, it's just ViBeZ

Village-Lean (Strong):
katie - genuine problem solving attempts and actions make sense based on the info we have
apoptosis - a bit flippy-floppy but also reads genuine to me
PBC - has changed course on a read when provided with more information

Neutral, but Village-Lean:
vampy - genuine reason to be away, problem-solving assistance, only here because I can tell vampy is a good player and hard to read, not because of any distrust
rae - behaving very on-par with previous play, willingness to problem solve, natural distrust of my frenemy leads me to neutral
fruit - helpful problem solving, not necessarily thrown off by back and forth behavior, which is on par for fruit, same logic here as with vampy, I just know that fruit is hard to read

True Neutral:
spurs - some attempts at helpfulness, but hasn't offered much of their own opinions
beans - have some hesitations re: requesting 3p info/powers, feels off but other parts feel good

Neutral, but Wolf-Lean:
spiane - not enough to say yet 100%, but at this point, judging inactivity and random participation
sksisk - see spiane, but less so, could be true neutral honestly
Nicole - participation has been very limited and without much substance, but could be just sussing out the game

Wolf-Lean (Strong):
ceegee - can't shake a general feeling RE: ceegee based on past participation and reactions
T4C - at this point my strongest lean for their behavior around what they saw as targeting/bandwagoning

**Saint Genny (RIP) I'd placed somewhere between true neutral to village-leaning neutral, just based on previous game style, so that was generally right but easy to say that post-horrible-fair-accident.

Edited: meant to have beans in true neutral, added context to sksisk/spiane.

And the D2 final tally:

Day 2 The Real Game Begins *FINAL* Tally

fruit ()
CeeGee (2) - GoSpursGo, fruit
sksisk (7) - vampy, katiemcat, apoptosis, spiane, CeeGee, T4C, PBC
T4C (3)- Indy, beans, rae

12/14

Leading: @sksisk
Missing: @sksisk @nicoledoesvetstuff

Deadline: 9pm EDT TODAY

Sk would have been a safe vote for wolves to get behind because they had so much suspicion thrown on them that a vote that way wouldn't stand out and also couldn't snowball into a wolf yeet. On the flip side, voting for a wolf (if they're yeeted and revealed) gives some soft village cred so if CeeGee or T4C are actually scum, I wouldn't be shocked if we have another wolf showing up in their votes. But this line of thought narrows down absolutely nothing. It's interesting that neither CeeGee or T4C voted for each other, although by the time they voted Sk was the best self preservation vote. Could that be why they both avoided voting until late in the day?

I haven't gone through the entire thread yet, but I felt like Indy was the first one killed because no one really suspected them of being W and not necessarily because they were onto a W. There was little to no chance of them being voted out early. Almost all of us-some more than others-have been suspected of being W, but I think Indy was one of the few that didn't get any shade thrown at them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

It's convenient that you have this take, considering you were one of Indy's two strongest wolf reads. . . but I'm inclined to agree that this is a possibility. It's equally possible that Indy's kill was a numbers game only and we were unlikely to yeet them, and/or they made the wolves nervous, and/or misdirection.

I'm going to read through the thread again in the morning and try to rerank my scum/village reads.

 

[katiemcat]

since @PrincessButterCup and @katiemcat haven't seen the results yet, i'll ping them to ask this question and they can respond when they can.

you two were both in indy's top town reads, and i feel secure in my reads on you thus far, what do you think of indy's list?

@apoptosis09 - do you also feel secure about this list or do you see things that strike you as odd compared to your own?

since you three were the top 3 secure town reads, with me, rae, and fruit following suit as town-leaning, do you think investigating the middle to bottom of the list is a good start? or is there someone else/somewhere else you feel we need to start?

Hello I feel asleep around 10pm so I’m catching up rn.

 

[apoptosis09]

Oh man this is a lot 😭

My brain this morning:

(Imagine carnival noises)

 

[apoptosis09]

That was a wierd interaction between rae and fruits last night 🤔 they've both explained themselves as much as they're willing but I can't shake the feeling that rae was trying to get fruits to admit an action/ability. Or just get them to be less cagey/themselves 😅

Idk i haven't gotten any susness from rae up to this point but that was a bit odd

 

[katiemcat]

Ok I’m gonna say some things. Some of which may be controversial. I think the wolve(s) here are using powers or claiming to in order to confuse us. I could also be inventing things.

I trust @fruitsalad for now. I think fruit is a strong player and therefore they have been restricted in some way. BUT they could also be acting like they’ve been targeted to avoid suspicion.

I am highly suspicious @beans2020 was not actually poisoned. Why did they post that and leave? What is the proof of this? Rooting out a healer in the group would be good for the wolves. They said not to say who healer was - but obviously if we start voting for the healer they are going to give us some indication we shouldn’t. I am suspicious may know who this is.

I thought a moderator said there were no post # limitations.

I still do NOT trust CeeGee or T4C.

 

[soupshark]

Okay I caught up and I still think the T4C stuff is worth thinking about and fruit was acting strange last night. I feel like that's kind of on brand for fruit lol but all the overexplaining was a bit sus. I don't think we should just forget what we were saying about T4C yesterday though, because it was a tie between him and sksisk. I also think it's worth noting that CeeGee and T4C were Indy's W leads and they both (right? I know T4C at least) waited until the end to vote which is why we piled up on sksisk to avoid a tie.

Also, to clarify, fruit is talking in purple against his will?

Edit: scratch my question regarding fruit because I think what katie said makes the most sense.

 

[soupshark]

Ok I’m gonna say some things. Some of which may be controversial. I think the wolve(s) here are using powers or claiming to in order to confuse us. I could also be inventing things.

I trust @fruitsalad for now. I think fruit is a strong player and therefore they have been restricted in some way. BUT they could also be acting like they’ve been targeted to avoid suspension.

I am highly suspicious @beans2020 was not actually poisoned. Why did they post that and leave? What is the proof of this? Rooting out a healer in the group would be good for the wolves. They said not to say white healer was - but obviously if we start voting for the healer they are going to give us some indication we shouldn’t. I am suspicious may know who this is.

I thought a moderator said there were no post # limitations.

I still do NOT trust CeeGee or T4C.

I agree with you

 

[nicoledoesvetstuff]

Okay I caught up and I still think the T4C stuff is worth thinking about and fruit was acting strange last night. I feel like that's kind of on brand for fruit lol but all the overexplaining was a bit sus. I don't think we should just forget what we were saying about T4C yesterday though, because it was a tie between him and sksisk. I also think it's worth noting that CeeGee and T4C were Indy's W leads and they both (right? I know T4C at least) waited until the end to vote which is why we piled up on sksisk to avoid a tie.

Also, to clarify, fruit is talking in purple against his will?

Yeah, I believe something happened where fruit has to type in purple today.

I don’t know, I’m a little hesitant to yeet fruit because despite his weirdness now, he’s been active and at least trying to help. If he turns out to be village, I think it would suck to lose him, especially since we already lost a couple strong players.

 

[soupshark]

Yeah, I believe something happened where fruit has to type in purple today.

I don’t know, I’m a little hesitant to yeet fruit because despite his weirdness now, he’s been active and at least trying to help. If he turns out to be village, I think it would suck to lose him, especially since we already lost a couple strong players.

What makes you believe that's the case? There truly is no way to know if I'm not mistaken

 

[soupshark]

I don’t know, I’m a little hesitant to yeet fruit because despite his weirdness now, he’s been active and at least trying to help. If he turns out to be village, I think it would suck to lose him, especially since we already lost a couple strong players.

I do agree with this for now though, because I think we have 2 other suspects that rank higher on the list

 

[katiemcat]

I think vampy having to vote first was
1- to get them targeted
2- to get everyone to go along with their vote like yesterday
3- just something else to keep us speculating and off the real trail

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Duck...Duck...VOTE Tally

T4C (1) - vampy
CG (1) - fruit
fruit (1) - rae

3/12 votes (there are 12 of you left, right?)
Deadline: 9pm EDT on 8/20 (~12.75 hours)

 

[soupshark]

I'm going with my gut.

vote T4C

@kaydubs @WildZoo @Animal Midwife

 

[nicoledoesvetstuff]

What makes you believe that's the case? There truly is no way to know if I'm not mistaken

He keeps saying that something happened during the night that he can’t say at the moment. I feel like he’s been put on some sort of restriction. I don’t know, I just feel that it would be a weird decision for him to make independently to type in purple.

 

[katiemcat]

I’m going to hold off on @Therapist4Chnge until I get some words from them.

If scenario 2 is correct - they knew T4C was Vampys next in line of being W and that she would vote for them, and her voting for them would trigger many other potential villagers to vote them as well.

T4C has had some weird posts I will say. But I’d like to give them some opportunity to speak.

 

[katiemcat]

I will add to my slight eyebrow raise at beans also involves them voting Spk, an inactive player first yesterday and not wavering.

Beans comes in with mayoral messages occasionally but it working very hard (almost too hard) to appear neutral to me.

I will also wait for Beans to defend themself.

 

[apoptosis09]

What makes you believe that's the case? There truly is no way to know if I'm not mistaken

It's true there's no way to know if it was an unintentional trigger or if it was an intentional target.
But also... who benefits from making this most suspicious player in the game  more suspicious? 🤨

 

[katiemcat]

It's true there's no way to know if it was an unintentional trigger or if it was an intentional target.
But also... who benefits from making this most suspicious player in the game  more suspicious? 🤨

Someone we were onto a bit.

Beans was already accused of being a W mayor early on.
CeeGee was also heavily voted for yesterday.




T4C is basically already head in the guillotine.

 

[beans2020]

I am highly suspicious @beans2020 was not actually poisoned. Why did they post that and leave? What is the proof of this? Rooting out a healer in the group would be good for the wolves. They said not to say who healer was - but obviously if we start voting for the healer they are going to give us some indication we shouldn’t. I am suspicious may know who this is.

I left last night because I went to bed...I have old lady bedtime 🤣 promise I wasn't trying to be devious.

Unfortunately I can't prove that I was poisoned as I can't copy/paste mod announcements into the thread. It doesn't do me any good to hyperfocus on it - either the doctor will choose to heal me or not. I'd rather focus on trying to find wolves and let the doctor decide what they want to do as I don't have control over it.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with your last point. Why would me needing a doctor lead to us voting for them/misyeeting them today? If we start voting anyone with a useful power role, they'll probably give us some kind of indication we shouldn't vote for them

I voted spk yesterday to try and get their attention. I wanted to hear literally anything from them given they hadn't said much and I was hoping to get more info than just the one post we had so far. When they did come on thread and posted I moved off of them to T4C as I didn't believe spk was wolfy enough to vote off.

I hope that helps katie!

Edit: accidentally replaced "them" with "katie" bc I'm on mobile and formatting is weird

 

[katiemcat]

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with your last point. Why would me needing a doctor lead to us voting for them/misyeeting them today? If we start voting anyone with a useful power role, they'll probably give us some kind of indication we shouldn't vote for them is actually my point - if we start targeting someone and they go “no you guys need me” that’s a prime candidate for healer.

This is actually my point. If we start to target someone and they give us that indication, the wolves now know who they probably are.

You don’t seem very concerned at being poisoned. Were you given a prognosis?

Your other defenses check out to me.

 

[vampyrica]

goob morbin. will catch up shortly after i feed some strays

 

[katiemcat]

goob morbin. will catch up shortly after i feed some strays

 

[beans2020]

You don’t seem very concerned at being poisoned. Were you given a prognosis?

Yes. I will die at the end of the next night cycle unless I am healed.

 

[katiemcat]

Yes. I will die at the end of the next night cycle unless I am healed.

And you didn’t mention this in the original post because :
1. You have truly accepted your possible death and you don’t want us to hyperfixate on it
2. You have no urgency to be healed bc you’re not actually poisoned

BUT
If beans doesn’t die we have to assume
1. They lied and are a W
2. They were healed and are V

🧐🧐🧐🧐
I need to think on this a bit more.
I also want others’ thoughts.

 

[apoptosis09]

You don’t seem very concerned at being poisoned. Were you given a prognosis?

Apologies for going tinfoil for a second...
But if we thought they were poisoned and they weren't actually . ... we wouldn't yeet them

 

[vampyrica]

I will say that there are often restrictions on what we can share about night results, so Frutie not giving specifics on their post restriction is not automatically sketch.

yes but to not elaborate even the slightest and say “someones action on me resulted this last night” or “my action last night resulted in this” strikes me as odd. we’re not asking for roles and explicit details on what happened last night but they also said “i dont want to talk about it” which is like- why? what is there to hide?

 

[_rae_]

Hello. Popping in quickly this morning before my appointment but I will be back around 2/3 EST.

Fruit could just be being fruit, but something feels wrong. They changed their mayoral vote six times, said “my vote in spirit is with Rae” as if Beans was a vote they had to make (wolf pack consensus?) and the “I’ll break the tie” for CeeGee and T4C is bugging me.

I also do not like how unbothered and inactive Beans is. I think my thought originally was they may have additional mayoral tasks but the “hello I’m dead” feels weird. I don’t want to vote them out this instant, but I actually think we may want to “let them die” and see what happens.

I sound like I have a tinfoil hat on and it’s a bold claim to make, but I’m standing by it. Fruit feels rotten.