SDN Fairgrounds - 10th Annual Noob WW Game

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My fellow citizens -

My heart is broken for indy and their family. We have lost a valued member of our community and must not rest until we have found their killer and brought them to justice. We are strong and resilient fairgoers, and I believe this tragedy has the power to unite us and make us stronger than ever before! With that, I defer to vampy, who must start out our voting today.
(Also...I'll work on cleaning up the ducks. Unless someone has a strong attachment to them. Then they can stay).
In other news, I regret to inform you all that I have been poisoned and have limited time left to live. If there is a doctor among us, please do not feel obligated to reveal yourself, but I would sincerely appreciate your services.

-Mayor beans
@katiemcat she did mention it, not in specifics but i understood what she said with the bolded statement (but that could just be me with more WW experience)
 
Hello. Popping in quickly this morning before my appointment but I will be back around 2/3 EST.

Fruit could just be being fruit, but something feels wrong. They changed their mayoral vote six times, said “my vote in spirit is with Rae” as if Beans was a vote they had to make (wolf pack consensus?) and the “I’ll break the tie” for CeeGee and T4C is bugging me.

I also do not like how unbothered and inactive Beans is. I think my thought originally was they may have additional mayoral tasks but the “hello I’m dead” feels weird. I don’t want to vote them out this instant, but I actually think we may want to “let them die” and see what happens.

I sound like I have a tinfoil hat on and it’s a bold claim to make, but I’m standing by it. Fruit feels rotten.
And if both are somehow village then I’m FUBAR’d but I feel strongly enough that there’s at least wolf or something shady in one of them
 
Is it possible that whoever ended up being major would be destined to be poisoned/die anyway? Assuming becoming mayor gives you some perks, it’ll probably come with drawbacks too. So there might not even be a healer in this game
i thought of this too, again, since genny had a premeditated death and it skewed the results of D0, it is possible.
 
What’s confusing about our situation other than vampy? Indy was killed and beans was poisoned, both valid night mechanics. You and vampy are our odd ones out and I think a wolf is involved in at least one of them.
i can agree with this. idk what fruit got specifically in their night write up (and i dont want full details, but to save their butt it would be nice to know if it was their actions or someone else’s that caused this as i have a feeling this was a one time use item or action versus something someone can use over and over again) but i didn’t get anything incriminating in my write up to cause me to make a connection between that and forced to vote first
 
i can agree with this. idk what fruit got specifically in their night write up (and i dont want full details, but to save their butt it would be nice to know if it was their actions or someone else’s that caused this as i have a feeling this was a one time use item or action versus something someone can use over and over again) but i didn’t get anything incriminating in my write up to cause me to make a connection between that and forced to vote first
TBH I’m heavily side eyeing you as well but I have less to go off of other than vibes
 
Hello. Popping in quickly this morning before my appointment but I will be back around 2/3 EST.

Fruit could just be being fruit, but something feels wrong. They changed their mayoral vote six times, said “my vote in spirit is with Rae” as if Beans was a vote they had to make (wolf pack consensus?) and the “I’ll break the tie” for CeeGee and T4C is bugging me.

I also do not like how unbothered and inactive Beans is. I think my thought originally was they may have additional mayoral tasks but the “hello I’m dead” feels weird. I don’t want to vote them out this instant, but I actually think we may want to “let them die” and see what happens.

I sound like I have a tinfoil hat on and it’s a bold claim to make, but I’m standing by it. Fruit feels rotten.
This is fair. And tbh i can get behind yeeting fruits for the plot since there is some definite wierdness and it could reveal a lot of strategy even if they're village. But I can't in good conscious say wolf yet, and if they do have a good power role that will really suck 🥲
 
I am highly suspicious @beans2020 was not actually poisoned. Why did they post that and leave? What is the proof of this? Rooting out a healer in the group would be good for the wolves. They said not to say who healer was - but obviously if we start voting for the healer they are going to give us some indication we shouldn’t. I am suspicious may know who this is.

I thought a moderator said there were no post # limitations.
so i also considered the “beans is lying and this is a trap” excuse. but then i thought about it from a gameplay perspective:

• beans is poisoned
• beans announces it to the thread
• healer/doc sees this and makes the decision to heal or not heal in the night cycle
• if beans was poisoned and healed appropriately: both beans and doc/healer would see that in their end of cycle messages “ie: you were healed by ABC! the poison is out of your system” “you successfully healed beans and they get to see another day” so there is a level of clearing with that action
• if beans was poisoned and not healed: if they are village, that sucks bc mayor can have a good perk or two and if they’re wolf: that’s insanely lucky for us.

but what is the level of risk we are willing to take here? if we vote wrong today and we lose a town, and take the chance to assume beans in W, but they flip town, that’s 2 town losses in one day. we need to be strategic with voting and preserve our town numbers to have the best chance at victory
 
Here is my updated reads list (as promised):

village lean
PBC
katiemcat
rae
apoptosis - I am aware apoptosis made a big jump between last read list and this read list. This is mostly because of the post they made last night about getting a message that they were tracked (potentially). This seems like something a noob villager would share - I don't think a wolf/3p would want that level of attention.

not enough information/not quite village lean not quite wolf lean
Spurs
Vampy
Nicole
spiane

scum lean
CeeGee
Fruit - fruit made a big jump too. The purple font thing and lack of explanation for it has made me pretty suspicious of him. I wouldn't be opposed to voting for him today. I think at the very least it may answer some questions about what happened during the night cycle.
T4C - T4C moved down to scum lean for literally all the reasons that have already been stated.

I will likely vote T4C or fruit today but I could be persuaded to go for CeeGee or someone in the yellow section with a convincing argument.
 
This conversation is so bizarre to me. @_rae_ @fruitsalad


1. Someone was poisoned in the night, or so they claim

2. Someone else says that's a valid night action and not confusing (I interpret "valid" to I mean it exists in sdn WW meta and is not unprecedented, although it is the first occurrence in this game)

3. Someone else questions why it's valid, and we get this whole thing

4. . . . I mean, it happened so of course it's "valid"? Unless I'm misinterpreting this and you're doubting Bean is being truthful, Frutie? Why is this even a point of contention?
What I meant by “valid” is “makes sense”. Murder? Point of the game. Poison? Feels on brand but if it’s a wolf benefit, feels a bit unbalanced.

Post only in purple and rando must vote first? Feels out of left field and makes no sense. Something that fruit won’t talk about is causing the post restriction and I think vampy is keeping something very close to her chest.
 
What I meant by “valid” is “makes sense”. Murder? Point of the game. Poison? Feels on brand but if it’s a wolf benefit, feels a bit unbalanced.

Post only in purple and rando must vote first? Feels out of left field and makes no sense. Something that fruit won’t talk about is causing the post restriction and I think vampy is keeping something very close to her chest.
Ngl I feel like the purple is a red (lol) herring and its working if so
 
Why fruit has been rubbing me the wrong way the last 48 hrs or so, with supporting evidence:

indeed 🤔

the plan is in motion! all three options are good
Fruit kept switching their vote, saying "nah guys, it's all good, the plan is working" without really talking about WHAT that plan was. They were rotating between CG, T4C, and sk, but not in a way that made sense.
Unvote cg
Vote sk


@kaydubs
@WildZoo


y'all I'm so paranoid of ties

PBC pls i'm on a lookout to break ties

unyeet T4C
yeet CG


@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife

CG should remain under pressure, but i'll probably end up switching to sksisk anyways
PBC jumped off CG to prevent the potential for a tie and instead of staying as a tie breaker, fruit jumped on CG, pushing us closer to a potential tie again
i really can't decide between the three and want to see how the votes move accordingly

this time around, the CG wagon nearly dissipated, and I wanted to prevent that
Weak excuse
i like to cycle among my wolfreads in contention
Doesn't make sense. If you have wolf reads, stick with the vote you believe is a wolf, don't move around to see what happens
it's fine guys, we'll regroup and come back stronger

i'll think of some things but will keep quiet about them until the day begins
Fruit keeps saying they're being clear and an open book and all I see is an attempt to be as confusing as possible. I'll concede that I don't know night mechanics well and they may be limited on what they can say about it.
Ngl I feel like the purple is a red (lol) herring and its working if so
If it is a red herring, you're right, I'm fooled hook, line, and sinker.
 
alright guys, I think I blindsided the wolves based on the interactions last night, but let's work things out

yesterday, I was looking into the events that happened with the sksisk wagon, and I noticed the theme that if one or two players point out something (e.g., sksisk made a weird post, refuses to elaborate etc.), the wagon starts to build up with many others recycling the same reasoning. I think this is a good chance for wolves to blend in. the same goes for reactions toward me (e.g. fruit is a tricky player, I see why fruit is a tricky player etc.), or in context of mayor vote (the beans wagon building up quickly and then stagnating).

sksisk flipping village led to my thinking that we may be getting misdirected somewhere, and likely misreading people

so, I looked into vampy and PBC last night and found out they don't have the same affiliation (they aren't both village or both wolves, so something weird is happening). i looked into them because they're most experienced and village read pretty well, so if there's a spot for misdirection, it could be between these two. i think the purple text is a consequence of my finding a wolf or someone acting on me because I was pretty popular the previous day and a lot of people were discussing about me, the message wasn't clear on that aspect.

i responded last night intending to see how people respond to me. some seemed genuine, but others are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or adding to further confusion. i'm not sure why rae continues to misunderstand me, but PBC apparently overly fixated on one point regarding the poisoner and somehow misinterpreted that significantly despite I was clear on that point earlier.

as I mentioned with my earlier points against rae, I think wolves are trying to latch onto the notion I'm tricky (for anyone interested, tricky was referring to the last game I wolfed in "I hate being N1'd" that had unusual mechanics [no nights, having to vote among three people chosen by the player who was yeeted before], and my not voting to self-prez. but extrapolating from one game with nonstandard mechanics is a bit unrealistic). i think the bigger issue is wolves misinterpreting what I'm saying, which i think is intentional to stoke more confusion and pushing the tricky narrative, and wolves recycling reasons to suspect someone and piling onto a wagon and letting it stagnate.

I'll maintain my wolfreads on CG and T4C, but I'm going to go with this for now:

unyeet CG
yeet PBC
 
No because I’m suspicious of beans right now and she’s been turning to you a lot for leadership in her absence and guidance. It’s giving state secrets.
i’m sorry- what? i’m not a co-mayor or side-mayor or any sort of leadership role. what are you getting at here?

please quote me all the times she asked me for “leadership in her absence” besides the time she asked for some help when we was first elected as mayor
 
They changed their mayoral vote six times, said “my vote in spirit is with Rae” as if Beans was a vote they had to make (wolf pack consensus?)
i didn't vote beans?? i kept my vote on indy!

if I voted you, we would end up with a tie, and I didn't want that


and the “I’ll break the tie” for CeeGee and T4C is bugging me
i said i'll break ties in general, that CG/T4C was a quip to apop's supposedly humorous comment that I was doing the opposite of breaking the tie.

and I said those 3 were in my wolfreads and I'm willing to cycle among them.
 
alright guys, I think I blindsided the wolves based on the interactions last night, but let's work things out

yesterday, I was looking into the events that happened with the sksisk wagon, and I noticed the theme that if one or two players point out something (e.g., sksisk made a weird post, refuses to elaborate etc.), the wagon starts to build up with many others recycling the same reasoning. I think this is a good chance for wolves to blend in. the same goes for reactions toward me (e.g. fruit is a tricky player, I see why fruit is a tricky player etc.), or in context of mayor vote (the beans wagon building up quickly and then stagnating).

sksisk flipping village led to my thinking that we may be getting misdirected somewhere, and likely misreading people

so, I looked into vampy and PBC last night and found out they don't have the same affiliation (they aren't both village or both wolves, so something weird is happening). i looked into them because they're most experienced and village read pretty well, so if there's a spot for misdirection, it could be between these two. i think the purple text is a consequence of my finding a wolf or someone acting on me because I was pretty popular the previous day and a lot of people were discussing about me, the message wasn't clear on that aspect.

i responded last night intending to see how people respond to me. some seemed genuine, but others are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or adding to further confusion. i'm not sure why rae continues to misunderstand me, but PBC apparently overly fixated on one point regarding the poisoner and somehow misinterpreted that significantly despite I was clear on that point earlier.

as I mentioned with my earlier points against rae, I think wolves are trying to latch onto the notion I'm tricky (for anyone interested, tricky was referring to the last game I wolfed in "I hate being N1'd" that had unusual mechanics [no nights, having to vote among three people chosen by the player who was yeeted before], and my not voting to self-prez. but extrapolating from one game with nonstandard mechanics is a bit unrealistic). i think the bigger issue is wolves misinterpreting what I'm saying, which i think is intentional to stoke more confusion and pushing the tricky narrative, and wolves recycling reasons to suspect someone and piling onto a wagon and letting it stagnate.

I'll maintain my wolfreads on CG and T4C, but I'm going to go with this for now:

unyeet CG
yeet PBC
oh fruit- i love this. this is the fruit salad, yummy yummy i know and love !!!
 
alright guys, I think I blindsided the wolves based on the interactions last night, but let's work things out

yesterday, I was looking into the events that happened with the sksisk wagon, and I noticed the theme that if one or two players point out something (e.g., sksisk made a weird post, refuses to elaborate etc.), the wagon starts to build up with many others recycling the same reasoning. I think this is a good chance for wolves to blend in. the same goes for reactions toward me (e.g. fruit is a tricky player, I see why fruit is a tricky player etc.), or in context of mayor vote (the beans wagon building up quickly and then stagnating).

sksisk flipping village led to my thinking that we may be getting misdirected somewhere, and likely misreading people

so, I looked into vampy and PBC last night and found out they don't have the same affiliation (they aren't both village or both wolves, so something weird is happening). i looked into them because they're most experienced and village read pretty well, so if there's a spot for misdirection, it could be between these two. i think the purple text is a consequence of my finding a wolf or someone acting on me because I was pretty popular the previous day and a lot of people were discussing about me, the message wasn't clear on that aspect.

i responded last night intending to see how people respond to me. some seemed genuine, but others are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or adding to further confusion. i'm not sure why rae continues to misunderstand me, but PBC apparently overly fixated on one point regarding the poisoner and somehow misinterpreted that significantly despite I was clear on that point earlier.

as I mentioned with my earlier points against rae, I think wolves are trying to latch onto the notion I'm tricky (for anyone interested, tricky was referring to the last game I wolfed in "I hate being N1'd" that had unusual mechanics [no nights, having to vote among three people chosen by the player who was yeeted before], and my not voting to self-prez. but extrapolating from one game with nonstandard mechanics is a bit unrealistic). i think the bigger issue is wolves misinterpreting what I'm saying, which i think is intentional to stoke more confusion and pushing the tricky narrative, and wolves recycling reasons to suspect someone and piling onto a wagon and letting it stagnate.

I'll maintain my wolfreads on CG and T4C, but I'm going to go with this for now:

unyeet CG
yeet PBC
@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife
 
Day 3 Duck...Duck...VOTE Tally

T4C (1) - vampy
CG (1) - fruit
fruit (1) - rae

3/12 votes (there are 12 of you left, right?)
Deadline: 9pm EDT on 8/20 (~12.75 hours)

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T4C (2)- vampy, spiane
CG ()
fruit (2) - rae, apop
PBC (1) - fruit
 
Here is my updated reads list (as promised):

village lean
PBC
katiemcat
rae
apoptosis - I am aware apoptosis made a big jump between last read list and this read list. This is mostly because of the post they made last night about getting a message that they were tracked (potentially). This seems like something a noob villager would share - I don't think a wolf/3p would want that level of attention.

not enough information/not quite village lean not quite wolf lean
Spurs
Vampy
Nicole
spiane

scum lean
CeeGee
Fruit - fruit made a big jump too. The purple font thing and lack of explanation for it has made me pretty suspicious of him. I wouldn't be opposed to voting for him today. I think at the very least it may answer some questions about what happened during the night cycle.
T4C - T4C moved down to scum lean for literally all the reasons that have already been stated.

I will likely vote T4C or fruit today but I could be persuaded to go for CeeGee or someone in the yellow section with a convincing argument.
important to note PBC is on the top of bean’s read list… but i don’t like that we’re still doing neutrals this deep into the game.

@beans2020 can you make a decision on your neutrals?
 
Fruit kept switching their vote, saying "nah guys, it's all good, the plan is working" without really talking about WHAT that plan was. They were rotating between CG, T4C, and sk, but not in a way that made sense.
that was in response to apop's gif, not sure why you're ignoring the context. also i think you should look a bit closely:

I voted T4C first, the wagon started to pile up then stagnate a bit, with an overwhelming lead for T4C over CG. so I switched to CG to keep her in contention. sksisk started getting suspicion over the posts she made, so I went with that, the wagon then started to pile up, with T4C and CG both losing focus, so I switched accordingly.

wolves like stagnated wagons and pile in onto existing wagons, and I'm trying to catch them


PBC jumped off CG to prevent the potential for a tie and instead of staying as a tie breaker, fruit jumped on CG, pushing us closer to a potential tie again
it's not closer to a potential tie when sk still had an overwhelming lead, and inactive players can't tie up either of the wagons. it also prevented the CG wagon from disintegrating completely

Weak excuse
it's stating the facts, PBC's move sent CG wagon to only 1 vote

Doesn't make sense. If you have wolf reads, stick with the vote you believe is a wolf, don't move around to see what happens
it makes total sense, because I'm tracking voting behavior and finding/hunting wolves based on how they vote, and again, all three were wolfreads

Fruit keeps saying they're being clear and an open book and all I see is an attempt to be as confusing as possible. I'll concede that I don't know night mechanics well and they may be limited on what they can say about it.
the confusion is only happening due to constant misinterpretations
 
important to note PBC is on the top of bean’s read list… but i don’t like that we’re still doing neutrals this deep into the game.
Lol it's day 3!!! Is this "deep" already?

Honestly, while I've said a couple of players that seem clearly sus (CG) vs clearly safe (maybe PBC, since I didn't think she fit with the indy vote), I feel like a lot of people still haven't given a strong signal in either direction, at least to me. I'd rather not leap to conclusions and wind up anchored to a wrong initial impression.

Need to think about fruits's post. I feel like after going out of his way to not explain himself last night, they probably took a good amount of time figuring out how to word that explanation. So there is a good chance that some part of what they said is true, but I also feel like they are intentionally leaving out some important details, and so I wouldn't necessarily take it at face value
 
rae only has one game with me to work with, and that's a game with nonstandard mechanics. so she's already coming off wearing sus-tinted glasses toward me and trying to find something that sticks

first she made an accusation I'm a wolf who supported lower tax rates that was contradicted by my vote for indy who proposed >99% rates. then she passed it off as just a joke that fell flat.

she then mentioned about my cycling the mayor votes as something that's sus, an argument that's been recycled by others who saw it

then she now started focusing heavily on night action mechanics and then retroactively tried to justify by questioning why I'm cycling between my wolfreads and how I'm getting things closer to a tie (that looks like a serious followup to apop's supposedly humorous comment). she's operating on negative meta from one game before and trying to find things to justify/confirm that worldview
 
I feel like after going out of his way to not explain himself last night
i explained myself last night, which is getting ignored for some reason. the posts are all there, but i am noticing selective attention is given to the initial posts where I said I didn't want to elaborate while ignoring the later posts from last night where I did explain
 
Ok, so let me see if I’ve got things straight:

1. Beans was poisoned last night, or so they claim. If they’re truly poisoned, they have until the end of the next night cycle to be healed or they kick the bucket. Going off of what Vampy said, if the healer decides to intervene, will that reveal who they are to Beans in the mod messages? If yes, this could be a wolf ploy to pick the next target. If no, there’s not much reason for Beans to lie. And if Beans is V with the perks of being mayor, that would be a massive blow to us if they’re not healed.

2. Fruit has to type in purple and isn’t fully explaining why. It could be the result of an action he’s taken-like poisoning-or it could be the result of a night action against them. His initial cagey-ness could be due to him needing to organize his thoughts and regroup before posting anything. Because as we all know, every little thing gets analyzed here. It’s a reasonable explanation for his initial silence. I feel like while he has been a bit sus so far, it’s not enough to yeet him. Especially since we don’t know what else will occur on N3, him still being around could be beneficial.

Also @fruitsalad Why PBC? And I know you said you’re being clear and open, but your constant flip-flopping is making my head spin.

3. @_rae_ Why the hard push for fruit? The constant flip-flopping gets to me too, but fruit has offered a pretty good reason for it. I’ve never played with him, so if you’ve got insights into what his typical play-style is like, it would be nice to know.

EDIT: If fruit’s reputation as a strong player is true, we shouldn’t be in too much of a hurry to yeet him in case he turns out to be V. Unless there’s some serious vibes of him being W
 
Fruit has to type in purple and isn’t fully explaining why.
i did explain. noted the selective attention though

i explained my PBC vote earlier, but in part, her constant misinterpretation of my posts didn't help
 
Ok, so let me see if I’ve got things straight:

1. Beans was poisoned last night, or so they claim. If they’re truly poisoned, they have until the end of the next night cycle to be healed or they kick the bucket. Going off of what Vampy said, if the healer decides to intervene, will that reveal who they are to Beans in the mod messages? If yes, this could be a wolf ploy to pick the next target. If no, there’s not much reason for Beans to lie. And if Beans is V with the perks of being mayor, that would be a massive blow to us if they’re not healed.
no, WHO the healer is will not be revealed to beans. only that they were successfully healed (or theres always a chance the heal can fail- atleast in town of salem gameplay it can fail)
 
this is the theme i brought up earlier. it's not specific to me but what i'm seeing is this:

a player notes something unusual about another player and raises their suspicions. other players repeat/recycle that sus and ignore the followup explanation

wolves can be hiding among those who are recycling the reasonings, because it's an easy way for them to blend in
 
putting both fruit and i in the hot seat today seems like an intended distraction away from someone we previously put alot of heat and pressure on
 
Hmm this is a tough one. If we assume fruits is purple because of the poison and he is village then we are kinda screwed. CeeGee posted a good analysis today and we are yet to hear much from T4C. I feel like we haven't heard much from him in general, so maybe the wolves are using our bias against him to our advantage? Should we wait to vote him out and try someone else first? Ahhhhh

The obvious target placed on fruit has me thinking one of our initial suspicions was correct.
This also makes sense because fruit was seen as village up until he turned purple. Then beans comes in with him in scum territory which is a big leap from village, all while we are sus of beans.
 
putting both fruit and i in the hot seat today seems like an intended distraction away from someone we previously put alot of heat and pressure on
As someone who was in the hot seat yesterday, I shouldn't be saying this, but I do kind of agree. Now everyone's hyper-analyzing fruit and forcing him to defend himself.

EDIT: Vampy has also been getting some side-eye. Even though it could be the result of someone else's night action or random luck
 
Was it T4C or spurs who is going on vacation though? Family time is more important than game time so I’d give that person a pass for being less active.
 
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