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[katiemcat]

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i’m leaning towards V too, mostly because in my head in doesn’t make sense if she’s a power role wolf, she would be able to catch up to the 10+ pages of info we have a day and make a kill or action decision then.

plus she fully stated her action went through last night. lying about that is highly unlikely

I'll start by putting it all out there.

Unsure, but some concern:
Rae - why were two people unable to read them? We know T4C was being truthful as they are confirmed v

Wolf until proven otherwise:
Beans - i'm still not completely buying this poison thing, but i'm also not quite ready to convict you yet.

elect beans

i think for the sake of fairness and to start us off on the right foot, i'm going to go with beans. she seriously cornered me in the last game and did a fantastic job calling me out in the end, and this is her second game so she's still new

For someone who seriously cornered someone last game - you have been pretty laid back as mayor and in the pursuit of potential Ws.

My fellow citizens -

My heart is broken for indy and their family. We have lost a valued member of our community and must not rest until we have found their killer and brought them to justice. We are strong and resilient fairgoers, and I believe this tragedy has the power to unite us and make us stronger than ever before! With that, I defer to vampy, who must start out our voting today.
(Also...I'll work on cleaning up the ducks. Unless someone has a strong attachment to them. Then they can stay).
In other news, I regret to inform you all that I have been poisoned and have limited time left to live. If there is a doctor among us, please do not feel obligated to reveal yourself, but I would sincerely appreciate your services.

-Mayor beans

How did you know there was even a healer to save you immediately after being poisoned? Could you not have been healed with an item or other event? Then when you are healed, you ARE claimed to be healed by a doctor.

Spurs - Why are they so fixated on fruit, when fruit has risked their life providing us information with their useful power. Fruit has tended to be reserved with info unless they feel it is dire to the common good. The purple text thing was a red herring IMO.
CG - Seems to carefully curate the right amount of posts, while remaining at a distance. Bandwaggoned onto T4C.
Apoptosis - I was reading V from you, but when confronted about how you did indeed bandwagon T4C after denying it you didn't have much to say. I see you recycle a lot of reasoning from others.

Edit sorry forgot to include:
Strong Village lean
Fruit
Vamps
PBC
Spiane
Nicole

 

[_rae_]

i read it as a gradient? was it not supposed to be a gradient?

That makes more sense and is more what I expected.

 

[vampyrica]

I'll start by putting it all out there.

Unsure, but some concern:
Rae - why were two people unable to read them? We know T4C was being truthful as they are confirmed v

Wolf until proven otherwise:
Beans - i'm still not completely buying this poison thing, but i'm also not quite ready to convict you yet.

For someone who seriously cornered someone last game - you have been pretty laid back as mayor and in the pursuit of potential Ws.

How did you know there was even a healer to save you immediately after being poisoned? Could you not have been healed with an item or other event? Then when you are healed, you ARE claimed to be healed by a doctor.

Spurs - Why are they so fixated on fruit, when fruit has risked their life providing us information with their useful power. Fruit has tended to be reserved with info unless they feel it is dire to the common good. The purple text thing was a red herring IMO.
CG - Seems to carefully curate the right amount of posts, while remaining at a distance. Bandwaggoned onto T4C.
Apoptosis - I was reading V from you, but when confronted about how you did indeed bandwagon T4C after denying it you didn't have much to say. I see you recycle a lot of reasoning from others.

Edit sorry forgot to include:
Strong Village lean
Fruit
Vamps
PBC
Spiane
Nicole

this is golden!! i want these answers too.

 

[_rae_]

Rae - why were two people unable to read them? We know T4C was being truthful as they are confirmed v

So, what I’m willing to share at the moment without giving up my role:

Someone acted on me night one. To my knowledge it was successful, but I wasn’t confident in that until T4C also said they checked on me BECAUSE -

No one acted on me night two. I got nothing to suggest there was an attempt. This tells me that someone OTHER than fruit probably also checked on me night one, because why would I have gotten something vague about fruit’s check, but not T4C’s?

Someone also acted on me night three. So I am not this impervious wall I’m being put up to be. People are successful using their roles on me. Is it possible someone has the ability to stop others from using their roles for the night?

TL😀R; vague village presence did something night one, no message night two, village presence night three. I am act uponable.

 

[vampyrica]

So, what I’m willing to share at the moment without giving up my role:

Someone acted on me night one. To my knowledge it was successful, but I wasn’t confident in that until T4C also said they checked on me BECAUSE -

No one acted on me night two. I got nothing to suggest there was an attempt. This tells me that someone OTHER than fruit probably also checked on me night one, because why would I have gotten something vague about fruit’s check, but not T4C’s?

Someone also acted on me night three. So I am not this impervious wall I’m being put up to be. People are successful using their roles on me. Is it possible someone has the ability to stop others from using their roles for the night?

TL😀R; vague village presence did something night one, no message night two, village presence night three. I am act uponable.

wait i’m confused, fruit tried to act on you N1 but was blocked and T4C tried to act on you N2 but N1 showed and N2 didn’t??? am i misunderstanding something?

also yes- there are different roles that can block someone’s ability to perform a night action. blocker and jailor are two common ones- and i feel we have atleast one of those.

 

[katiemcat]

wait i’m confused, fruit tried to act on you N1 but was blocked and T4C tried to act on you N2 but N1 showed and N2 didn’t??? am i misunderstanding something?

also yes- there are different roles that can block someone’s ability to perform a night action. blocker and jailor are two common ones- and i feel we have atleast one of those.

Did you and PBC get a message you had been acted on when fruit read you N2? Because if not this doesn't follow.

 

[vampyrica]

Did you and PBC get a message you had been acted on when fruit read you N2? Because if not this doesn't follow.

let me check my dms

 

[_rae_]

wait i’m confused, fruit tried to act on you N1 but was blocked and T4C tried to act on you N2 but N1 showed and N2 didn’t??? am i misunderstanding something?

also yes- there are different roles that can block someone’s ability to perform a night action. blocker and jailor are two common ones- and i feel we have atleast one of those.

My thought is that someone OTHER than fruit acted on me night one because I DID get a message about something that night but NOT from T4C’s night.

 

[_rae_]

Sorry, is that clearer?

 

[vampyrica]

Did you and PBC get a message you had been acted on when fruit read you N2? Because if not this doesn't follow.

without directly telling you what’s the dm; yes, it looks like someone came to visit me. wording is vague and doesn’t seem malicious, just says someone stopped by to check out my stand and spent a little too long lingering

 

[beans2020]

i read it as a gradient? was it not supposed to be a gradient?

Yes, it's a gradient. Thought I'd try a new form of list today

 

[vampyrica]

My thought is that someone OTHER than fruit acted on me night one because I DID get a message about something that night but NOT from T4C’s night.

ahh okay (i think sorry its 7am way too early for big brain thoughts haha)

 

[vampyrica]

Yes, it's a gradient. Thought I'd try a new form of list today

a disclosure woulda been nice for my tiny brain, bc at first i read it the same way as rae and then went “oh nvm its a gradient”

 

[katiemcat]

without directly telling you what’s the dm; yes, it looks like someone came to visit me. wording is vague and doesn’t seem malicious, just says someone stopped by to check out my stand and spent a little too long lingering

@_rae_ Is this the type of message you received or no?
If yes we can corroborate fruit was most likely your visitor.
If no perhaps if was the potential "blocker"

 

[_rae_]

Is that directed toward me? No, mine was much clearer that it was benevolent but equally vague on the actual action.

 

[vampyrica]

@_rae_ Is this the type of message you received or no?
If yes we can corroborate fruit was most likely your visitor.
If no perhaps if was the potential "blocker"

wording doesn’t really matter and the mods like to use actions as a creative flavor opportunity (they can correct me if i’m wrong but its something ive picked up in the games so far :3 )

 

[_rae_]

Also as a heads up, my shift at work starts at 7 pm EDT and doesn’t end until 1 am EDT so I will be missing for close and start of night 4.

 

[katiemcat]

wording doesn’t really matter and the mods like to use actions as a creative flavor opportunity (they can correct me if i’m wrong but its something ive picked up in the games so far :3 )

I was more curious about the vibe of it being a friendly visitor or a potential foe.

I think for now we can assume it was indeed fruit.

 

[apoptosis09]

Apoptosis - I was reading V from you, but when confronted about how you did indeed bandwagon T4C after denying it you didn't have much to say. I see you recycle a lot of reasoning from others.

I didn't have much to say bc you weren't really wrong; spiane pointed out fruits and I pretty much voted at the same time (like within minutes) and the heavy bandwagon followed right after.

apoptosis - I think they are the poisoner. I am happy to provide quotes if needed. D2 they were actively discussing how they thought I was scum. Then conveniently N2 I am poisoned. D3 they don't have much to say at all about me being poisoned until Katie suggests I'm faking. They quickly jump on board with that idea. W!apoptosis would be in a great situation here - they try to frame me as a wolf D2 and then poison me. If I die from the poison, wolves got rid of the mayor quietly without having to try and misyeet me. If I don't, then w!apoptosis can continue to claim I am a wolf because I was faking the poisoning to not be voted out. Then I can be misyeeted, great benefit to the wolves.
scum lean

I feel like I tried to discuss reasoning about it without pushing too hard, which I had reasons for that are not what you may think 😅.

I would counter-argue that having a wolf + poisoner would be wierd - you can already kill people? And if so why bother with poison? Not sure about that one

 

[apoptosis09]

Also re: whether beans was or was not poisoned. I do believe they were

 

[vampyrica]

I didn't have much to say bc you weren't really wrong; spiane pointed out fruits and I pretty much voted at the same time (like within minutes) and the heavy bandwagon followed right after.


I feel like I tried to discuss reasoning about it without pushing too hard, which I had reasons for that are not what you may think 😅.

I would counter-argue that having a wolf + poisoner would be wierd - you can already kill people? And if so why bother with poison? Not sure about that one

so wolf (poisoner) doesn’t seem too far fetched but idk if i necessarily believe it quite yet. wolves get one kill per night. some wolves may be restricted to being the ONLY one who can kill each night, and some game setups allow for all wolves to rotate through kills. poisoner would be a power role and the ability for a wolf, just as it would be for a villager or 3p.

i feel most strongly that poisoner could be a 3p negative, since we had a 3p neutral, and i’m 3p positive.

 

[vampyrica]

I was more curious about the vibe of it being a friendly visitor or a potential foe.

I think for now we can assume it was indeed fruit.

gotcha!

 

[beans2020]

Well, we did just discuss how it's likely that the wolves also have abilities/roles in addition to doing night kills. This is likely one of them.
It is also possible that the poisoner is a 3p with different win conditions than the rest of us. That's also bad news for village.

 

[beans2020]

I feel like I tried to discuss reasoning about it without pushing too hard, which I had reasons for that are not what you may think 😅.

Would you be willing to share those reasons? (Unless they reveal your night action/role, then don't).

 

[_rae_]

@fruitsalad I would REALLY love your full reads list when you have a second

 

[vampyrica]

this is gonna be a looooong day cycle lol

 

[apoptosis09]

Would you be willing to share those reasons? (Unless they reveal your night action/role, then don't).

I won't go much farther but it was important to me to get village opinions if you really were/were not poisoned and if you were v/w

 

[_rae_]

THE DUCKS NEED TO GO!! THEYRE EATING THE GRASS, THEYRE POOPING ON THE LAWN. ITS NOT GOOD, WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR PERMITS TO BE AT THIS FAIR?? WE SHOULD LOOK MORE INTO THE DUCKS. THEY ARE SCHEMING!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!

ANYONE WHO TOUCHES INDY'S DUCKS GETS YEETED

 

[katiemcat]

Also re: whether beans was or was not poisoned. I do believe they were

Do you have any evidence of this or just vibes?

 

[beans2020]

unyeet apoptosis
@kaydubs @WildZoo
I think I see what you're getting at.

 

[katiemcat]

I won't go much farther but it was important to me to get village opinions if you really were/were not poisoned and if you were v/w

........................

 

[katiemcat]

yeet Spurs

@kaydubs @WildZoo

 

[GoSpursGo]

Hey so can I come

Sure! We’re in st augustine not far!

I'll start by putting it all out there.

Unsure, but some concern:
Rae - why were two people unable to read them? We know T4C was being truthful as they are confirmed v

Wolf until proven otherwise:
Beans - i'm still not completely buying this poison thing, but i'm also not quite ready to convict you yet.

For someone who seriously cornered someone last game - you have been pretty laid back as mayor and in the pursuit of potential Ws.

How did you know there was even a healer to save you immediately after being poisoned? Could you not have been healed with an item or other event? Then when you are healed, you ARE claimed to be healed by a doctor.

Spurs - Why are they so fixated on fruit, when fruit has risked their life providing us information with their useful power. Fruit has tended to be reserved with info unless they feel it is dire to the common good. The purple text thing was a red herring IMO.
CG - Seems to carefully curate the right amount of posts, while remaining at a distance. Bandwaggoned onto T4C.
Apoptosis - I was reading V from you, but when confronted about how you did indeed bandwagon T4C after denying it you didn't have much to say. I see you recycle a lot of reasoning from others.

Edit sorry forgot to include:
Strong Village lean
Fruit
Vamps
PBC
Spiane
Nicole

Not fixated but I just feel like he is getting a pass that nobody else is being afforded for being cagey. If he can answer my questions I’ll back off. I’m also not dumb, I know it looks bad to question, but like I said we have to consider all possibilities.

Tour is starting and I’m many posts behind but I’ll try to catch up later

 

[_rae_]

Okay - fine, reads list:

Most village, not up for debate unless they literally post a wolf chat message:
katiemcat: asking the right questions, participating, pointing fingers in directions that feel true to her thought process. If you're wolfing you're killing it, keep it up.

fruit: through gritted teeth, I feel fruit is probably telling the truth. Why lie and make themself a target for wolves? I still want my questions about purple answered, but I believe what they're saying.

STILL VILLAGE BUT WILLING TO DISCUSS:
PBC: Again, I believe fruit and of the two, I think PBC is more likely village.

CeeGee: I'm really reading CG as village noobery.

Spurs: spurs has seemed invested in finding the answer. Katie just voted for him as I am actively typing all of this out so @katiemcat can you give your reasoning? Also questioning fruit's play style is 1000% noob behavior.

Nicole: I think what she has contributed has felt fine and willing to give some slack for vet school orientation.

Apoptosis: I think wolf + poisoner would be a wild choice. I think it's interesting that their questioning of beans and Katie's questioning of beans are being treated as different. If there were four wolves and I had to throw another person down on my scum list, it would be apop because I agree about some of the bandwagon-y stuff, but with beans being in my reads as scum, NOT listening to their thoughts on beans would look bad for me.

Scum:
Vampy: I plan on doing an iso later to back up my claims. Whether she's wolf or 3p as she claims, I think she's bad news. I have some questions too that I want some answers to that I'll post in a minute.

Beans: I think vampy and beans are two peas in a pod. I still agree with Katie that something about the whole poisoning thing feels off. Beans has not been doing a lot of wolfing, hasn't had any real strong leadership, and I think vampy being wolf or 3p and helping beans out in their first wolf role makes a lot of sense.

Spiane: Has gotten progressively more comfortable the last few cycles but I think is being lead by beans and vampy. Willing to also do an iso on spiane to back that up.

 

[_rae_]

@vampyrica

You say you're 3p but more helpful to village than not, but also have win conditions. You also stated you had an item or action that could happen on odd nights except N1. You mentioned using it N3 and seemed very excited; did you use it?

 

[katiemcat]

Okay - fine, reads list:

Most village, not up for debate unless they literally post a wolf chat message:
katiemcat: asking the right questions, participating, pointing fingers in directions that feel true to her thought process. If you're wolfing you're killing it, keep it up.

fruit: through gritted teeth, I feel fruit is probably telling the truth. Why lie and make themself a target for wolves? I still want my questions about purple answered, but I believe what they're saying.

STILL VILLAGE BUT WILLING TO DISCUSS:
PBC: Again, I believe fruit and of the two, I think PBC is more likely village.

CeeGee: I'm really reading CG as village noobery.

Spurs: spurs has seemed invested in finding the answer. Katie just voted for him as I am actively typing all of this out so @katiemcat can you give your reasoning? Also questioning fruit's play style is 1000% noob behavior.

Nicole: I think what she has contributed has felt fine and willing to give some slack for vet school orientation.

Apoptosis: I think wolf + poisoner would be a wild choice. I think it's interesting that their questioning of beans and Katie's questioning of beans are being treated as different. If there were four wolves and I had to throw another person down on my scum list, it would be apop because I agree about some of the bandwagon-y stuff, but with beans being in my reads as scum, NOT listening to their thoughts on beans would look bad for me.

Scum:
Vampy: I plan on doing an iso later to back up my claims. Whether she's wolf or 3p as she claims, I think she's bad news. I have some questions too that I want some answers to that I'll post in a minute.

Beans: I think vampy and beans are two peas in a pod. I still agree with Katie that something about the whole poisoning thing feels off. Beans has not been doing a lot of wolfing, hasn't had any real strong leadership, and I think vampy being wolf or 3p and helping beans out in their first wolf role makes a lot of sense.

Spiane: Has gotten progressively more comfortable the last few cycles but I think is being lead by beans and vampy. Willing to also do an iso on spiane to back that up.

I'm gonna hold on my pressure on Spurs because while I agree questioning fruits play style could just be a noob move - they have been pressing fruit since before the purple text incident. I want their read on OTHER players. I believe losing fruit would be catastrophic for this village.

I think its really interesting that apop decided to agree that Beans could be lying about the poison yesterday but today after Beans accuses them of being the poisoner apop proclaims Beans' innocence and are all but confessing they are involved? This all seems extremely calculated to me.

edit : sorry if paragraph 2 is worded weird, apop is making some attempt to have others read between the lines

 

[nicoledoesvetstuff]

Orientation is the worst. Nicole, you will be so sick of bagels and pizza before you know it

Oh, I am already sick of bagels and pizza 😂 Are you going to the bar crawl tonight?

 

[_rae_]

I think its really interesting that apop decided to agree that Beans could be lying about the poison yesterday but today after Beans accuses them of being the poisoner apop proclaims Beans' innocence and are all but confessing they are involved? This all seems extremely calculated to me.

I’ll go take a look at that

 

[apoptosis09]

Apoptosis: I think wolf + poisoner would be a wild choice. I think it's interesting that their questioning of beans and Katie's questioning of beans are being treated as different. If there were four wolves and I had to throw another person down on my scum list, it would be apop because I agree about some of the bandwagon-y stuff, but with beans being in my reads as scum, NOT listening to their thoughts on beans would look bad for me.

Bolded this part bc it is killing me a little that katie and I have been aligned on like 80-90% of things, but she's being read as 100% honest village (and I agree) but I'm being read as sus/wagony 💀😭

 

[nicoledoesvetstuff]

@nicoledoesvetstuff hey ilysm. you’re doing great, are you able to be a little more active this evening and this weekend?? ik vet school orientation has been PACKED full of info and running around, so for sure take a break, but we’re still having a difficult time reading you 🙁((((

I’m still going to be incredibly busy today and tonight, but tomorrow is my first completely free day and Sunday I will have some free time!

 

[apoptosis09]

I think its really interesting that apop decided to agree that Beans could be lying about the poison yesterday but today after Beans accuses them of being the poisoner apop proclaims Beans' innocence and are all but confessing they are involved? This all seems extremely calculated to me.

Didn't do that tbf, just supported that I do believe they were poisoned due to night action results. Not claiming they are 100% village but are less sus to me now

 

[katiemcat]

Bolded this part bc it is killing me a little thar katie and I have been aligned on like 80-90% of things, but she's being read as 100% honest village (and I agree) but I'm being read as sus/wagony 💀😭

I would argue you tend to align with me after I have already made a decision / explained my reasoning. This could be read by others as bandwagoning or you being v just absorbing my never-ending stream of consciousness. You also just diverged from me on your proclaimed innocence of Beans.

I've gotta ask - why the flip flop on Beans? If yesterday you had the feeling they were lying, why did you choose to believe them?

 

[katiemcat]

Didn't do that tbf, just supported that I do believe they were poisoned due to night action results. Not claiming they are 100% village but are less sus to me now

Night action results of them not dying...? Or your own?

 

[apoptosis09]

I would argue you tend to align with me after I have already made a decision / explained my reasoning. This could be read by others as bandwagoning or you being v just absorbing my never-ending stream of consciousness. You also just diverged from me on your proclaimed innocence of Beans.

I've gotta ask - why the flip flop on Beans? If yesterday you had the feeling they were lying, why did you choose to believe them?

More this part. I feel like early- game you, indy, and I were all pretty well aligned and had similar takes on people. Well now indys dead (coincidence?) and I've started orientation; you are way more active than I was last day cycle so I can see why it seemed like I was following behind you, but honest to God I just agree with you 😅

 

[GoSpursGo]

yeet Spurs

@kaydubs @WildZoo

Awww you posted this right before me 🙁 you’re uninvited

I'm gonna hold on my pressure on Spurs because while I agree questioning fruits play style could just be a noob move - they have been pressing fruit since before the purple text incident. I want their read on OTHER players. I believe losing fruit would be catastrophic for this village.

That’s fair given that’s what I’m doing to fruits. Again, it seems super simple for him to give some clarifications, and I would back off.

I would love to give you my thoughts on other players, but I’m now following our 4 year old around a winery—we thought there would be a corner where we could plop him with his activity bag, and of course there is not 😅I brought him into the bathroom just to type this, and of course in this short time he put his hand in the urinal 🤦‍♂️

All of this for saying, I will try, but it may not be doable 🫠

 

[_rae_]

I’ll go take a look at that

They do maintain a carefully curated number of posts per day and they tend to bandwagon.

Fair suspicion IMO.

I also want to finally discuss the bandwagons. It has seemed (from my perspective but we have established I'm a bad post history sleuth lolz) that people have specifically wagoned in whichever direction I vote (as a generally early and stable voter). Which makes sense since I've been solidly read as village by pretty much everyone.

For that reason I'm looking at CG specifically for the late-day wagoning, however I'm also not opposed to overhauling our thought proccess and considering someone else entirely since following the early reads has lost us villagers.

Also looking at beans, who due to the poisoning(?) was not really in the hot seat as it would have been a waste of a yeet if they did die.

Katie stop saying what I say right before I say it. You're making me look bad 😭

Is this what you're talking about? Because while I agree the flip flopping isn't great, you guys were only about 4 minutes apart in posting. This reads to me as if you have some similar thought processes and makes it more likely you'd come to similar conclusions.

I read apop one of two ways: village noob who is following a strong village lean, or wolf noob who is trying to align with village to fly under the radar. Like I said, they're my weakest village read.

 

[beans2020]

Yes, it's mostly because Katie first suggested that I could be faking being poisoned which seems like healthy village skepticism. What originally felt sus was when apoptosis immediately jumped on the idea too - it just felt too convenient for them.
But like I said earlier, I'm moving away from apoptosis for the moment. I'm going to take another look at spiane and CeeGee when I have the chance.

 

[_rae_]

Awww you posted this right before me 🙁 you’re uninvited

That’s fair given that’s what I’m doing to fruits. Again, it seems super simple for him to give some clarifications, and I would back off.

I would love to give you my thoughts on other players, but I’m now following our 4 year old around a winery—we thought there would be a corner where we could plop him with his activity bag, and of course there is not 😅I brought him into the bathroom just to type this, and of course in this short time he put his hand in the urinal 🤦‍♂️

All of this for saying, I will try, but it may not be doable 🫠

I want kids so bad and then I read something like this and I'm v glad I'm still childless for the moment. Like "no rae, you have time to wait before you have to start having to chase a child with a gross, wet, urinal hand"

 

[_rae_]

I'm going to stay true to my previous vote and my reads list, mostly because I don't think anyone will pile on her before I get a chance to do a deep dive so I'm not super worried

yeet vampy

@WildZoo @kaydubs @Animal Midwife

 

[katiemcat]

Yes, it's mostly because Katie first suggested that I could be faking being poisoned which seems like healthy village skepticism. What originally felt sus was when apoptosis immediately jumped on the idea too - it just felt too convenient for them.
But like I said earlier, I'm moving away from apoptosis for the moment. I'm going to take another look at spiane and CeeGee when I have the chance.

This is what I am referencing mostly @_rae_

Though I can’t say I have anything solid, so apop remains in my healthy skepticism pile.