Secondaries complete in Aug., haven't heard a thing

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What state are you in? Do you have some recent bad grades? I would think KYCOM would have given you an interview. It could be a letter as well? I dunno, it seems there were a lot of qualified applicants this cycle (but I interviewed early in it so I'm not too sure). Have you done anything since applying? Any MCAT retake plans? Thought about LU?
 
premed1001 said:
there is your answer. could be getting auto screened
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Maybe but I've checked some of the schools and their min. science GPA is below a 3.0. Wouldn't I receive a rejection if they screened me out?
 
premedsc19 said:
Maybe but I've checked some of the schools and their min. science GPA is below a 3.0. Wouldn't I receive a rejection if they screened me out?
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You're right, some schools cutoffs are a tad bit below the 3.0. But just because you meet the bare minimum requirements it doesn't mean you're considered competitive. Did you try calling or sending a LOI?
 
It's probably that? I forget, is grad GPA counted into total GPA or separate in AACOMAS?

You can still submit the LU primary. Are you making As in that program this semester? You're probably going to have to reapply. How many times have you applied?
 
Did you interview at western? Rejected?
 
NontradCA said:
It's probably that? I forget, is grad GPA counted into total GPA or separate in AACOMAS?

You can still submit the LU primary. Are you making As in that program this semester? You're probably going to have to reapply. How many times have you applied?
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I'm pretty sure grad GPA is separate for AACOMAS, as far as I know. If I reapply though, is my undergrad GPA going to be the main problem again? It would be kind of ridiculous to have to retake undergrad classes after taking med school classes.
 
NontradCA said:
It's probably that? I forget, is grad GPA counted into total GPA or separate in AACOMAS?

You can still submit the LU primary. Are you making As in that program this semester? You're probably going to have to reapply. How many times have you applied?
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premedsc19 said:
Well yeah, bare minimum for undergrad though. Wouldn't they they take into account that I did way better in DO classes than undergrad science classes? I've sent some LOI when I updated my application but usually when I talk to someone on the phone they just tell me that my application is still under review.
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Grad GPA & uGPAs are reported separately and averaged on the AACOMAS. On the AMCAS, they are reported only separately.

They could see you did better in your DO classes, but they tend to weigh undergrad GPA more. I did graduate program, and I called most schools where this was the case. Plus, professional school grades don't count toward your AACOMAS GPA (nursing, law, medicine, dental, etc.). Unless the DO classes were taken as SMP.
 
Chillywilly said:
Grad GPA & uGPAs are reported separately and averaged on the AACOMAS. On the AMCAS, they are reported only separately.

They could see you did better in your DO classes, but they tend to weigh undergrad GPA more. I did graduate program, and I called most schools where this was the case. Plus, professional school grades don't count toward your AACOMAS GPA (nursing, law, medicine, dental, etc.). Unless the DO classes were taken as SMP.
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Well if they're averaged together wouldn't the Science GPA be >3.0? If not that's probably it.
 
premed1001 said:
undergrad and grad are separate GPA's

the way it works is, if any GPA is below the autoscreen gpa, you get auto rejected. no human eyes ever look at your app, a computer will auto reject you.

your expensive app fee alone is not enough for a human being on the clock to pick up your app and just look at it. you go straight to the reject pile.
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That for AMCAS or AACOMAS?
 
premedsc19 said:
I think it was like 3.05 cum, 2.95 science. Out of the science classes I didn't do well in, I've taken those classes at the D.O. school I'm at for my masters and did way better.
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Why isn't your DO school showing you any love?
 
premedsc19 said:
25 MCAT, 3.0 undergrad, 3.3 graduate - all med school classes at a D.O. school
Pre-interview hold: Midwestern AZ, LMU
Haven't heard a thing from: PCOM-GA, PCOM, LECOM, NSU, NYCOM, WVSOM, Rowan, Touro-CA, Touro-NY, KYCOM
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Well unless you pulled a 10 in BS Touro is probably not gonna interview you
 
premed1001 said:
undergrad and grad are separate GPA's

the way it works is, if any GPA is below the autoscreen gpa, you get auto rejected. no human eyes ever look at your app, a computer will auto reject you.

your expensive app fee alone is not enough for a human being on the clock to pick up your app and just look at it. you go straight to the reject pile.
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But if the gpas are averaged wouldn't he pass the cut-offs?
 
premed1001 said:
undergrad gpa is not averaged with grad gpa
they are completely separate afaik

now i have no idea whether grad gpa will exempt from an autoscreen or anything of the sort.
it would be common sense to allow that
but these schools get over 10 times the apps of the seats they have, so they dont have to do anything, ball is in their court
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That's not what Goro said. I know it's n=1 but he's an Adcom at an osteo school. I think he would know better than us pre-mess regarding admissions
 
premedsc19 said:
25 MCAT, 3.0 undergrad, 3.3 graduate - all med school classes at a D.O. school
Pre-interview hold: Midwestern AZ, LMU
Haven't heard a thing from: PCOM-GA, PCOM, LECOM, NSU, NYCOM, WVSOM, Rowan, Touro-CA, Touro-NY, KYCOM
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OP you might want to raise your MCAT before you try again next cycle.
 
premed1001 said:
interesting, i can not find a single thing on the aacomas website regarding this.

we need a previous applicant to verify this

screenshots would be nice, info removed ofcourse



possible they screen based on undergrad GPA?
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According to the instructions I saw they don't separate just say all coursework is graded.
" AACOMAS will calculate your GPA and credit hours

according to the following rules: GPAs and credit hours

will be calculated for Science, Non-Science and All

Coursework. Science GPAs include Biology/Zoology,
Biochemistry, Inorganic Chemistry, Organic Chemistry,

Other Science, and Physics. Non-science GPAs include

Behavioral Science, English, Math, and Other

Non-science.

Courses with AACOMAS Grades of Pass, Non-pass, and

Advanced Placement are not included in GPA calculations.

Only the last instance of a repeated course is

included in the GPA calculation."
 
premedsc19 said:
25 MCAT, 3.0 undergrad, 3.3 graduate - all med school classes at a D.O. school
Pre-interview hold: Midwestern AZ, LMU
Haven't heard a thing from: PCOM-GA, PCOM, LECOM, NSU, NYCOM, WVSOM, Rowan, Touro-CA, Touro-NY, KYCOM
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I'm sorry to say, but what happened to you is very normal. It is the reason why many of us are highly critical of user3's commentaries giving everyone in your range hope. The truth is that both your GPA's are over a standard deviation below people of your race (assuming white/asian). To add to this is the fact that you applied very top heavy coming from California. The bolded ones are simply not realistically attainable and have a history of silent rejection. The italics underlined ones are regionally selective, so a below average applicant will have a harder time. Is your masters an SMP? Typically those below 3.5 will have a harder time getting in. Schools may have just said "lets wait to see the GPA" and then either been disheartened or already had a strong applicant pool to pass you up.

I think what you need to do at this point is consider next cycle. I would work on retakes to increase that GPA and apply to many more bottom tier schools.
 
premedsc19 said:
I don't really know what to do about the retakes. I'm in a masters program at one of the top DO schools and have done better than the majority of the DO class in every course I've taken, which is 31 credits now. Am I really expected to go to a community college or something and retake anatomy, phys, biochem,... after having taken them at a med school?
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Did you get an ii at the DO school that you attend right now?
 
Are u getting any advice from the advisors at ur program? If ur Gpa at this program is less than 3.5 how r u doing better than most of the students?
 
OP, it seems to me that you had a few factors working against you this cycle: your MCAT, your GPA (both undergrad and graduate), and the schools you applied to. I recommend that you study for ~4-6 months and retake the MCAT, shoot for the highest score you can, but with your undergraduate GPA you will need something Above the average for the schools you apply to. A 25 might cut it for some applicants, but it seems like the combination of a low MCAT score and low GPA are really hurting you. It also would be best to retake some of your basic science classes that you did poorly in so you can raise that undergraduate GPA. And finally, when you're in graduate school a 3.3 GPA is on the low end, while it is an improvement from your undergraduate GPA, it is still low for the average DO applicant.

Hopefully with increasing your undergraduate GPA and MCAT score you will have better luck when you reapply.

I had a very similar undergraduate GPA to you, however I scored a 34 on my MCAT and I have a 3.88 masters GPA. I think my MCAT and grad GPA were my saving grace this cycle.

Best of luck to you OP, I think if you take the next year to improve your MCAT and GPA with retakes you should have success when you reapply.
 
premedsc19 said:
I'm on the alternate list right now, which seems to be a pretty common thing for people that go through the masters program and go on to get accepted. Don't know if it's a political thing or what. Won't know where I am on the list for another month or so and it's not a for sure thing. I was just hoping for at least one other option between the other 18 or so schools I applied to.
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I hope you get off the alternate list..but tbh I think the issue is that you applied to schools that either likes high MCAT or have high regional preferences. If you have to reapply next year, I suggest that you try to boost your MCAT and apply to the new DO schools as well. Good Luck!
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I'm sorry to say, but what happened to you is very normal. It is the reason why many of us are highly critical of user3's commentaries giving everyone in your range hope. The truth is that both your GPA's are over a standard deviation below people of your race (assuming white/asian). To add to this is the fact that you applied very top heavy coming from California. The bolded ones are simply not realistically attainable and have a history of silent rejection. The italics underlined ones are regionally selective, so a below average applicant will have a harder time. Is your masters an SMP? Typically those below 3.5 will have a harder time getting in. Schools may have just said "lets wait to see the GPA" and then either been disheartened or already had a strong applicant pool to pass you up.

I think what you need to do at this point is consider next cycle. I would work on retakes to increase that GPA and apply to many more bottom tier schools.
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If you read my posts more carefully you will see that when I give people with lower numbers hope, in the same breath I also encourage them to apply to enough low tiers and not to expect much love from established schools.

I've stated it again and again. Poor/narrow school selection is one of the most common causes of unsuccessful cycles (for DO).
 
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user3 said:
If you read my posts more carefully you will see that when I give people with lower numbers hope, in the same breath I also encourage them to apply to enough low tiers and not to expect much love from established schools.

I've stated it again and again. Poor/narrow school selection is one of the most common causes of unsuccessful cycles (for DO).
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Yea I didn't see Campbell, ACOM and WCU on that list
 
Why didn't you use grade replacement? If you got your overall and science gap's 3.5+, I'd think you'd have a good shot even with a 25 MCAT.

Might have been a better move than a SMP.
 
Telekinesis said:
Yea I didn't see Campbell, ACOM and WCU on that list
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See, what I don't understand is how you guys all have a good idea of a list of schools off the top of your heads of what are "safe", "match" and "reach". I've been scavenging the forums and still haven't found a definitive source for information of this sort.
 
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