Serious Academic Trouble

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Anyone have any advice in regards to winning this appeal?


Just being honest here, you aren't going to win the appeal. You failed out under normal circumstances. Although it seems like getting a retrospective psych diagnosis would be a great plan, 100% of students who fail out try that trick to get back in and 0% of the time it works. Search around SDN. There are billions of threads about the same or similar situations.

Edit: Im not saying I don't believe that you suffer from an anxiety issue, I am saying your school will not reverse their decision for it.
 
Pretty sure he means ~30% of people who enroll in Caribbean Degree Factories actually finish their 4 years without interruption, incident, or other difficulties.

The attrition rate tends to be fairly high. The schools plan for this. Or rather, the schools ensure this.

Yes. I'm pretty sure a lot of the schools even have in-house " weeding out." My friend said the common saying is " look to your left, look to your right, one of you three will graduate."
 
Agreed with above that your psych dx will not be enough alone. It needs to be paired with a comprehensive plan that you've created in consultation with multiple faculty and utilizing every student resource available. This needs to be convincing enough that the dean feels you have a chance to actually succeed rather than just get by. Work on getting faculty on your side and collectively make a strong case. A note from a psychiatrist and a promise to study harder isn't going to cut it. You need to present a completely new approach and actually have started much of it before the meeting.
 
Any suggestions on what a completely new approach would be? I'm saying that I've contacted incoming seconds years to form a group so I can do more group studying, I don't know what else I could say.
 
Well this is hard since I don't know you or your history in depth, but I guess my question would be this:

Given multiple failures and otherwise borderline passes, do you honestly feel like a little more group study is the only thing you need to flourish?

If such a case came before me, my concern would be that the person did not truly understand why they had failed or how to correct it. I've worked quite a bit with repeaters and others in danger of being dismissed and overwhelmingly I can say that the biggest problem is a woeful underestimation of what it takes to succeed. Sadly, these days you can get an undergraduate degree from almost any well known school simply for having a pulse and a line of credit. It leads to many people not really knowing what it takes when the heat gets turned up. I've sat down with multiple people in similar situations and when I tell them my own study regimens they look at me like I'm nuts. Yes, it takes that much.

If I were in your shoes, I would have documented meetings with anyone and everyone in a position to help you, starting with student affairs (or your schools equivalent), your schools tutoring service, etc. You need a multipoint plan and a pristine, typed, formatted, table of contents, professionally bound, written plan for success that you can take to these people in an effort to convince them that you've seen the light, know what you need to do, and are willing to do it. Frankly, the effort you put into crafting this appeal will show just how much work you're willing to do. If all you've come up with is "I was depressed a lot" and now I'm "planning to study with some incoming second years," then I think I would probably vote for dismissal rather than allow you to rack up more debt only to fail later.

I'm sorry that sounds harsh, but that is the reality you are up against.

Off the top of my head, here's what I would want to see were I on the progress committee:
1) An essay about why you failed and only barely passed that reveals deep self awareness of your academic shortcomings
2) Documented meetings with every relevant person at your school to go over what went wrong and how to fix it
3) Professional testing to identify any learning deficiencies, learning styles, etc.
4) Documented enrollment in some school-sponsored study/tutor group
5) Individual tutoring set up through the school, paid for at your own expense if needed
6) An overall plan that takes everything above into account that convinces me you can and will make the right changes to succeed (not just pass).
7) Documentation from a psychiatrist about any disorder that may have impeded your learning. Get evaluated for ADD as well.
8) Letters from faculty members and mentors who will vouch for you, especially people you've met with above
9) A closing statement that shows you know that getting through this year is only one step, that you intend to continue this level of work through boards, through clerkships, and on into the future

This needs to be professional printed and bound and filled with pictures, graphs, copies of any assessments, etc. Yes, you need to do this and spend all the money required for the above steps before you know whether you're in or out.

Good luck many. You're up against a lot, but with enough effort you just might get another chance.
 
Any suggestions on what a completely new approach would be? I'm saying that I've contacted incoming seconds years to form a group so I can do more group studying, I don't know what else I could say.
Well this is hard since I don't know you or your history in depth, but I guess my question would be this:

Given multiple failures and otherwise borderline passes, do you honestly feel like a little more group study is the only thing you need to flourish?

If such a case came before me, my concern would be that the person did not truly understand why they had failed or how to correct it. I've worked quite a bit with repeaters and others in danger of being dismissed and overwhelmingly I can say that the biggest problem is a woeful underestimation of what it takes to succeed. Sadly, these days you can get an undergraduate degree from almost any well known school simply for having a pulse and a line of credit. It leads to many people not really knowing what it takes when the heat gets turned up. I've sat down with multiple people in similar situations and when I tell them my own study regimens they look at me like I'm nuts. Yes, it takes that much.

If I were in your shoes, I would have documented meetings with anyone and everyone in a position to help you, starting with student affairs (or your schools equivalent), your schools tutoring service, etc. You need a multipoint plan and a pristine, typed, formatted, table of contents, professionally bound, written plan for success that you can take to these people in an effort to convince them that you've seen the light, know what you need to do, and are willing to do it. Frankly, the effort you put into crafting this appeal will show just how much work you're willing to do. If all you've come up with is "I was depressed a lot" and now I'm "planning to study with some incoming second years," then I think I would probably vote for dismissal rather than allow you to rack up more debt only to fail later.

I'm sorry that sounds harsh, but that is the reality you are up against.

Off the top of my head, here's what I would want to see were I on the progress committee:
1) An essay about why you failed and only barely passed that reveals deep self awareness of your academic shortcomings
2) Documented meetings with every relevant person at your school to go over what went wrong and how to fix it
3) Professional testing to identify any learning deficiencies, learning styles, etc.
4) Documented enrollment in some school-sponsored study/tutor group
5) Individual tutoring set up through the school, paid for at your own expense if needed
6) An overall plan that takes everything above into account that convinces me you can and will make the right changes to succeed (not just pass).
7) Documentation from a psychiatrist about any disorder that may have impeded your learning. Get evaluated for ADD as well.
8) Letters from faculty members and mentors who will vouch for you, especially people you've met with above
9) A closing statement that shows you know that getting through this year is only one step, that you intend to continue this level of work through boards, through clerkships, and on into the future

This needs to be professional printed and bound and filled with pictures, graphs, copies of any assessments, etc. Yes, you need to do this and spend all the money required for the above steps before you know whether you're in or out.

Good luck many. You're up against a lot, but with enough effort you just might get another chance.

THIS. I agree with all of it. Don't be afraid to ask for help from someone close to you who's good at this kind of stuff, but you need to move quickly.
 
Sounds like a fine plan @operaman, yet pulling this off would require organization and attention to detail. I suspect that a distinct lack of both qualities landed OP in hot water in the first place.

Yes, I'm afraid you may be right. Even so, I hate to see something like this happen to someone and would hate to see someone go down simply for lack of knowing what to do next. It's overwhelming, though I think if someone did this and showed the ability to put a document like this together and do the self-examination required I would probably be amenable to giving them another chance.
 
My dean of student affairs actually said that the letter should not be too long, but I'm getting statements from a professor in the med school, various mental health professionals, and the guy who runs a class for struggling med students (it was actually recommended by someone on this forum - he is going to talk about the success rate of his class and that I am signed up to take it before the sem restarts). Here is my letter, I would really appreciate if any of you could give me some feedback, I only have a couple more days to send it in:

Dear Dean ******,

I would like to first off thank you for giving me the opportunity to further discuss my situation with you and for your consideration and patience as well.

I am writing to appeal my academic dismissal from the M.D. program. I admit that I have had a very difficult time this past year with maintaining my grades but was shocked to receive the notification regarding the committee’s decision. I would like to urge you to give me a second chance to come back and remediate second year again and prove that I can do better and make the institute proud. This is a situation that I never in a million years would have thought I’d be in. I have been a strong student my whole life – I did well at ******* high school and worked hard to achieve my goal of enrolling in a B.A./M.D. program as I knew from my sophomore year that medicine was the career of choice for me. I have always been drawn to medicine because I want to join a profession where I can take on a leadership role while also making a difference in people’s lives and believe a career in medicine is the most meaningful way to achieve my life’s vision. Thus, it was a dream come true when I was accepted into the B.A./M.D. program at *******, my top choice among all the other programs I applied to.

I take full responsibility for the fact that I have fallen short of the academic expectations established by the medical school. However, I believe there were mitigating circumstances that I implore you to please consider. I also ask you to consider my academic failures in a more holistic way which I hope will lead you to conclude that my shortcomings were marginal and that I deserve a second chance. For example, ******** alone was worth *** credits but there were only two and a half sections in the entire year that I did not pass, and in the case of both the ****** and ****** sections I missed the cut-off by a single question. And the night before the ****** section I contracted gastroenteritis and alternated between vomiting and diarrhea the whole night. When I called Dean ****** the morning of the test I was given the option to either obtain a doctor’s note and take the test the next day or to take it at 12:30. While hindsight is 20/20 I chose the latter option and this was probably the wrong call because I was still very feverish at the time.

One of the reasons I chose ******* B.A./M.D. program was because of its flexibility in allowing students to major in anything they want. Having been interested in the field of psychiatry since high school I decided to major in psychology as an undergraduate which gave me limited opportunity to take upper level biology courses in only three years and I think this made the transition to medical school difficult for me. So when I started medical school I felt initially underprepared for the science-heavy course load of first semester and the need to be able to memorize mass volumes of information in short periods of time, a skill that I had not fully developed prior to my matriculation. On top of all this I had to deal with the heartbreaking death of my aunt who had come from **** for her cancer treatment at ********. She eventually succumbed to the disease after a long and grueling struggle. It was not only an emotional drain but also time consuming due to frequent weekend visits to *******. Overall first semester was challenging for me – I failed ******* and barely passed my other anatomy courses.

However, by second semester I was accustomed to medical school and did much better in all my classes. Later on in the summer I took the online remediation course for neurobiology and ended up honoring it. I believe that this is testament to the fact that if I am given a chance to redeem myself I will more than rise up to the occasion. I felt ready for second year and was not going to let one failure hurt my confidence that I could still do well in medical school. However my performance second year was less than par because quite frankly my head was just not in the right place.

While I could not recognize it at the time, upon consultation with mental health professionals I have realized that in retrospect I was not myself for the vast majority of second year. It is ironic that as an aspiring psychiatrist I could not see the symptoms of depression that I was exhibiting. I felt embarrassed to bring this up in my hearing but I had my first romantic relationship that summer before second year and after things ended as the summer came to a close, I felt an overwhelming sense of loneliness compounded by the fact that the strong social support system I had first year shrunk considerably after most of my college friends moved out of the area. I believe this was what triggered the episode of depression my psychiatrist now suspects I experienced and am still somewhat dealing with today. Looking back the signs were clear – while I didn’t necessarily feel hopeless, I felt a terrible sense of anhedonia. Suddenly it felt like all my life consisted of was studying and yet ironically, I didn’t even look forward to my free time because nothing that I used to enjoy doing when I had time off, such as lifting, music, watching T.V., cooking, or even hanging out with friends seemed fun anymore. I couldn’t understand why I suddenly lost the motivation to make any sort of social contact in my day, despite my overwhelming sense of loneliness.

One of the reasons I believe I was successful my second semester of first year was because I made it a point to study in groups. However, when second year started I was unable to initially study in the groups I had forged last year because my colleagues were adjusting to second year and our schedules were totally different. I wish I had made it a point to reestablish this group studying strategy that had worked so well for me in the past, but as I got used to being alone and further sunk into my solitary apathy, I came to accept it as the lifestyle of a second year medical student without realizing how unhealthy my life was becoming. My weeks consisted of spending all day alone in my studio apartment studying but without the kind of concentration I needed to really learn the material thoroughly. In addition my appetite would often be out of whack, and my sleep quality started to really suffer. Even though I was exhausted I could not fall asleep easily and woke up several times during the night furthering my feeling of exhaustion and exacerbating my lack of being able to feel pleasure and motivation. I woke up every day not necessarily feeling sadness but rather an inexplicable numbness and lack of lust for life.

Furthermore, I think the combination of depression and stress from schoolwork started to lead to anxiety as well. I started feeling overwhelming test anxiety that I didn’t experience my first year, and it got to a point where I didn’t even check my answers because of how bad I wanted to leave the testing room. Tests started to become a mind game where I would get stumped on questions that I knew I had studied but just could not conjure the necessary fact from my memory, leading to fits of near breathlessness and palpitating heart beats that only worsened my concentration. I believe this testing anxiety is what caused me to do so poorly on my two ******** exams this year where I primarily lost points in communication skills such as eye contact and body language despite passing the history and physical portions. This led to my failing grade in **********, a class that I had not had any trouble with my first year. Again, I truly wish I had recognized just how much I was losing my grip this year, but I have never suffered from depression or anxiety before and assumed what I was feeling was just burnout that was similar to what all my classmates were going through. In addition my meetings with Dean ******* were always academic in nature and thus the thought that there could be more going on never really crossed my mind.

Medicine is my passion and there is nothing I want more than to become the best physician I can be. The ordeal of facing dismissal has been devastatingly stressful, but I truly believe that it has made me a stronger and more mature person. This has been a humbling experience which has taught me a valuable life lesson. In spite of my current situation, my feelings of depression currently feel considerably lifted and I have become more cognizant of my symptoms since reaching out to mental health professionals.

I genuinely believe now that the problem has been identified I will be ready to tackle the upcoming term by continuing my current treatment regimen. Since the initial consultation with my psychiatrist in April, I have been taking an herbal antidepressant called St. John’s Wort. She recommended starting cognitive behavioral therapy shortly before a trial of antidepressant medication, but that this herbal alternative would be very much worth a try as it has proved beneficial for many of her patients. The clinical psychologist that I see for my cognitive behavioral therapy is a specialist in obsessive compulsive disorder and recognized that I exhibited mild symptoms of OCD at the time of our diagnosis, but that his therapy would still be beneficial for me. It focuses on exposing yourself to life stressors in an effort to better handle and cope with stress. I believe this combination of therapy and herbal medicine is what has helped me feel almost completely like myself again. I know I will be ready by the time the semester restarts but do plan to continue my treatment during the semester as well.

I am confident that this was a circumstantial episode that was heavily triggered by environmental stressors. The post-college period is a tough transition for many people, and I have come to agree with Dean ******* opinion that being in the accelerated B.A./M.D. program was the wrong choice for me because it rushed my college years and pushed me into medical school before I was really mature enough to thrive in this high-stakes environment. But between these last two years and this present ordeal I feel like I have matured considerably. While I have become much more comfortable with spending time with myself, I have already reached out to a group of rising second year students in my building to allow me to study in their group, knowing full well that this tactic will help me succeed both academically and psychologically. On top of all this I have also identified a well-reputed course designed for repeating medical students that will help me further refine my academic study skills. I am also going to be more organized with my time so I can find the opportunity to pursue other extracurricular activities. I plan to work out more frequently and pursue a sport to the extent possible. I have taken up Maum meditation which I plan to continue once the semester starts. These lifestyle changes will help me cope with stress and become more focused on handling my academic duties. I am also working fulltime at ******* where I teach pre-high school students courses in math, science, and test preparation. This is allowing me to give back to others while building my confidence and poise in dealing with people.

Most importantly, while I am confident such a traumatic episode like this will never happen again, now that I recognize the signs and symptoms I will be sure to reach out for help should I ever feel the need. Given the chance to remediate second year I will be able to reinforce my knowledge of the courses I have already taken and build up my confidence in doing well on tests. I truly believe that if you were to give me a second chance I will not only be mentally healed but ready to incorporate lifestyle changes that will allow me to readily handle the year and that despite this setback I can still become the successful physician I have always dreamed of becoming.

This great country of ours is all about second chances. ******** saw something special in me five years ago and I assure you that whatever it was, it has not vanished into thin air. I earnestly implore you to give me one last chance to redeem myself.


Thank you,

**********
 
This is a decent start but needs a lot of work. I've copy/paste it and will edit and repost.

In the interim, glaring thoughts:
1) Thou shalt not make any excuses
2) Thou shalt consider barely passing to be the same as failing
3) Thou shalt pepper thy letter with specifics (names, etc.)
4) Thou shalt include signed letters from all medical professionals mentioned

More to come...
 
Okay, rewrite #1 -

Dear Dean ******,

I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to further discuss my situation with you and for your consideration and patience.

I am writing to appeal my academic dismissal from the M.D. program. I admit that I have had a very difficult time this past year and that my performance was entirely unacceptable both for this school and for the medical profession as a whole. I fully understand the committee’s decision to dismiss me from the program. While my poor performance alone does not merit it, I would ask you to give me a second chance to come back and repeat second year and show that I can do better and make the institution proud.

This is a situation that I never thought I would be in. Prior to medical school I was a strong student who performed well enough in high school to be accepted to a competitive accelerated MD program. It was a dream come true when I was accepted into the B.A./M.D. program here at *******, because I have always been drawn to medicine as a profession where I can truly make a difference in other people’s lives. My struggles over the last two years have taught me that I can’t do this unless I take care of my own needs first.

I take full responsibility for the fact that I have fallen far short of the academic expectations established by the medical school. There are other students who have succeeded while facing far more difficulties than I have, but I would humbly ask that you consider my own personal struggles and academic failures in a holistic way and ultimately conclude to allow me a second chance. I didn’t come to medicine to be a physician who barely passes, but one who flourishes and excels. It pains me that my performance to date has been well below this standard.

One of the reasons I chose ******* B.A./M.D. program was because of its flexibility in allowing students to major in anything they want, but I made the poor decision to major in a less science-heavy field and was woefully underprepared when medical school started in earnest. Overall first semester was extremely challenging for me – I failed ******* and barely passed my other anatomy courses. On top of all this I had to deal with the death of my aunt who had come from **** for her cancer treatment at ********. On top of the emotional drain, I was making frequent weekend visits to ******** when I could have been studying. In retrospect, I should have reached out for help from the administration much earlier, but I was young and naïve and thought I could handle it alone.

By the second semester of first year I was finding my stride and did much better in all my classes, ultimately honoring my remediation in neurobiology. This semester was more indicative of what I can do and suggests that if I am given a chance to redeem myself, I will more than rise up to the occasion. [This paragraph needs more about your stellar grades from this semester. If you just barely passed again, maybe cut it entirely]

I felt ready for second year and was not going to let one failure hurt my confidence that I could still do well in medical school. However my performance second year turned out to be completely unacceptable for a number of reasons I would like to expound on now.

While I did not recognize it at the time, upon consultation with mental health professionals I have realized that in retrospect I was not myself for the vast majority of second year. I recently reached out to a psychiatrist, Dr. Jane Doe, MD, who feels that I may have been suffering from depression. I have attached a note from her with her clinical findings and assessment, but would like to offer my own perspective as well. The past year began with an overwhelming sense of loneliness after the loss of a relationship, compounded by the fact that the strong social support system I had first year shrunk considerably after most of my college friends moved out of the area. I believe this may have triggered the depression my psychiatrist now suspects I experienced.

In retrospect the signs were clear – while I didn’t necessarily feel hopeless, I completely lost interest in things I once enjoyed: lifting, music, watching T.V., cooking, or even hanging out with friends. I couldn’t understand why I suddenly lost the motivation to make any sort of social contact in my day, despite my overwhelming sense of loneliness. My weeks consisted of spending all day alone in my studio apartment studying but without the kind of concentration I needed to really learn the material thoroughly. My sleep quality started to really suffer for even though I was exhausted I could not fall asleep and would wake up several times during the night. This lead to further exhaustion and exacerbated my lack of motivation.

One of the reasons I believe I was successful my second semester of first year was because I made it a point to study in groups. However, when second year started I was unable to initially study in the groups I had forged last year because my colleagues were adjusting to second year and our schedules were totally different. I wish I had made it a point to reestablish this group studying strategy that had worked so well for me in the past, but as I got used to being alone and further sunk into my solitary apathy, I came to accept it as the lifestyle of a second year medical student without realizing how unhealthy my life was becoming.

The combination of depression and stress from schoolwork lead to anxiety. I started feeling overwhelming test anxiety that I never experienced my first year, and it got to a point where I wouldn’t even check my answers because of how bad I wanted to leave the testing room. Tests started to become a mind game where I would get stumped on questions that I knew I had studied but just could not retrieve the necessary fact from my memory. This led to fits of near breathlessness and racing heartbeat that only worsened my concentration.

Testing anxiety along with inadequate preparation may have been what caused me to do so poorly on my two ******** exams this year. This led to my failing grade in **********, a class that I had not had any trouble with my first year. I wish I had recognized just how much I was losing my grip this year, but I have never suffered from depression or anxiety before. I assumed that what I was feeling was simply burnout that was similar to what all my classmates were going through.

The ordeal of facing dismissal has been devastatingly stressful, but I truly believe that it has made me a stronger and more mature person. This has been a humbling experience which has taught me a valuable life lesson. In spite of my current situation, my feelings of depression feel considerably better and I am once again feeling a joy for life and reconnecting with neglected friends.

I genuinely believe that since the problem has been identified I will be ready to tackle the upcoming term by continuing my current treatment regimen. Since the initial consultation with Dr. Doe in April, I have been taking medication to treat my depression and prevent another episode from recurring. On her advice, I have also started therapy with Dr. John Smith, PhD, a clinical psychologist whose note and assessment are also attached to this letter. I believe this combination treatment is what has helped me feel almost completely like myself again. I know I will be ready by the time the semester restarts and will my treatment during the semester as well.

In addition to receiving treatment for my depression, I have worked with Dr. Tutoring Service and Dr. Student Affairs to devise a plan that insures my success both this year and in the future. I would like to briefly enumerate the points of this plan.

First, I have already reached out to a group of rising second year students in my building who have agreed to allow me to study in their group, knowing full well that this tactic will help me succeed both academically and psychologically. Group study was a substantial reason behind my success during the second half of last year and I wish I had continued it this year.

Secondly, I have identified a well-reputed course designed for repeating medical students that will help me further refine my academic study skills. The name of the course is Operaman’s Med School Bootcamp and it is located in Boston, MA. I have already reserved a place for the session beginning on July 15, 2014, and believe this will help me develop the skills needed for success going forward.

Third, in consultation with my psychiatric treatment team and Dr. Student Affairs, I have devised a plan for time management that will help me maintain both my physical and mental health through he rigors of medical school. Our belief is that this, in conjunction with medical treatment and the plans listed above, will give me the best possible chance for success.

Most importantly, I have learned not only to recognize the signs of depression and anxiety in myself, but also to reach out for help. As someone who has always derived so much self identity from his ability to succeed academically and handle stress well, admitting that I needed help was incredibly difficult, and I regret that it took something as extreme as academic failure to make me realize it.

I understand that on the surface my past performance does not merit another chance, and that the school would be well within its rights to dismiss me from the program. I also know that ******** saw something in me five years ago, and I assure you that whatever it was, it has not vanished into thin air. It is with the deepest humility and an earnest commitment to do better that I ask you to consider my appeal for reinstatement.

Thank you,


Stuff I cut out; put back in if you and your advisors at school think it’s a good idea:

For example, ******** alone was worth *** credits but there were only two and a half sections in the entire year that I did not pass, and in the case of both the ****** and ****** sections I missed the cut-off by a single question. And the night before the ****** section I contracted gastroenteritis and alternated between vomiting and diarrhea the whole night. When I called Dean ****** the morning of the test I was given the option to either obtain a doctor’s note and take the test the next day or to take it at 12:30. While hindsight is 20/20 I chose the latter option and this was probably the wrong call because I was still very feverish at the time.


Cut out a lot of your depressive stuff since those should be in the note from your psychiatrist. Otherwise, it reads like someone who googled symptoms of depression and wrote a story to fit all of them
 
Overall thoughts -

1. Way too long
2. Too many colloquialisms ("never in a million years") etc
3. Too many excuses
4. Delete stuff about st. johns wort since a lot of people will be skeptical; leave treatment details out and get an actual letter from your therapist
5. Put action plan into bullet points rather than long exposition
6. The "this great country" line made me gag.
 
The letter displays overall lack of self-knowledge and, as southernIM noted, it has way too many excuses without interventions I see as meaningful. Also, that you confessed to eschewing a helpful medication because you were "afraid of dependence" suggests you are not ready mentally to commit to a real treatment plan. Who cares about dependence if you're getting help with a serious mental illness via a legal, effective means? Time management is not enough for serious anxiety, which you have. Is that what you would recommend to your patients?
 
No problem man! I hope things go well for you. I think I addressed every concern the subsequent posters had about the original. I tried to use your words whenever possible, but took some liberties along the way. It could probably still stand some liberal usage of the 'delete' key as I think it's probably still too long. I think the narrative form works well here because it allows you to tell your story in a way that shows you are deeply self aware, regret past choices, and have a solid plan to start anew. Since you don't have any real case for reinstatement beyond the emotional appeal, I think it may be worth the risk of length to create a narrative that lets the reader identify with you.
 
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