setting up 4th year

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Just starting to think about setting up fourth year and wanted some tips on what rotations are useful early on vs later in the year. Im interested in FP (possible Peds) as of now. Should I do sub-I's early on to show my face to the residency programs im interested in? Should I do rotations that will be useful for skills need in the residency i want to do or rather should I take this chance to do things I will never get to do later on in residency. What are your thougths/experiences? Thanks.
 
As a 4th year, I'd say my advice is to pound out a couple months of the harder stuff you'll do during fourth year early on (e.g. a sub-I, like a good ICU month or comparable, and an ER month if your program requires it). This serves four purposes: 1) get experience doing something hard which will make you a better/more efficient med student who can deal with sick patients, 2) show residency programs you are not lazy and give you some credibility and confidence when interviewing, 3) potentially generate a letter of recommendation (one from a sub-I will hold weight), and 4) get those rotations out of the way so late 4th year can be more cushy. Balance this with other goals you may have for early 4th year: visiting rotations, step 2 if you want to improve upon step 1, and cool stuff you won't otherwise see.

For each person the answer will be different. Here's what I did: July "off" and took step 2 at the end just to get it out of the way; August was an elective in the other specialty (child and adolescent psych) that I had to rule out before I was 100% sure about my choice (peds); September was a NICU Sub-I (counts as a "medicine" Sub-I); October was a visiting elective at an institution I'm considering; November was ER; December is a cushy elective in Radiology; January will be interviews; Feb will be my required surgery Sub-I; March onward is pretty much electives or minor requirements. As I hinted before, I think having done a NICU Sub-I and gotten honors and a good evaluation in it gives me confidence and credibility in my interviews. If you are considering peds and you want to do an ICU sub-I, obviously PICU or NICU would be good choices. You might want to go with PICU because that's at least a little more in the realm of family practice, in case you end up doing that. Doubt you'll take care of NICU babies in FP, and you don't learn as much in NICU that can be generalized to other realms of medicine.

Just my 2 cents.

bpkurtz
 
Follow up: I would like to pursue either ortho or neuro surgery. Unfortunately, I wont get to do any elective surgery until my fourth year, and I wont have very long to decide, if I havent by then. I know I will get plenty of exposure in my Core surgery rotation 3rd year, but I am just trying to maximize my time from June-November. Also, how does one do a "sub-I", is that any different than just rotating through a hospital?
 
Idiopathic,
My advice is do the clinical elective in neurosurg or ortho at your school in July, then do the away rotation(s) as a SUB-I. I deferred one of my clinical 3rd year cores to take the elective early, but that was not necessary for success/timing.
I believe that doing the elective first allows you to get the grasp of the specialty, and make connections at your home base, where you may or may not want to aslso apply. I think you are expected to function at the level of an intern on a SUB-I. I don't know if you have ever done clinical neurosurgery (I can't speak for ortho), but I have heard that it is not just like picking up on your clinical core surgery experience. Food for thought.
By the way, my e-mail address is [email protected] if you want to talk about Cali neurosurg programs. I believe from posts elsewhere that you go to school on the west coast...
 
Assuming my school does not have a clinical neuro program. That cant help but how much would it hurt?
 
Well, it wont help, as you have no home base and advisers, but it shouldn't prevent you from succeeding. You will have to read up thoroughly in advance of away SUB-I's and need to hit the ground running. Get Greenberg's.
What's the closest academic facility WITH a program?
 
Don't forget neurosurgery is an early match - I would do that first.🙂
 
My advice (and I'm doing FP) would be to do a few months at some of the programs you are looking at. By doing that, I completely changed my rank list from what I thought it would be. AND I was able to get the programs interested in me. They would rather take a student they have worked with for a month (as long as you behave and work hard and get along with everyone) than someone they only meet for one day at an interview.
 
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