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What's the context for posting this in the pre-med forum? What should pre-meds take away from this?
Why should there be context for data on a hotly debated issue?
....that the Caribbean isn't dead yet. I guess what OP is trying to say is that attending a school offshore not be unviable.
Not surprising.
Yeah, but where is the debate here? That SGU has a metric **** ton of medical students and places a few of them into decent residency programs? I can understand putting this into one of the infinite "Are Carib schools cool or derp?" threads. There's no "cool" or "derp" here. Do the pre-meds understand what value to pull from seeing a list of like a thousand people?
How many of those matches are prelim spots? These match lists are bus without knowing which IM and Surgery positios are real.
I agree. That type of info is my point. Just posting SGU's impossibly large and diffcult to digest match list without any info re: prelim vs categorical, or primary care vs academic track, or match vs soap, and it's worthless, at least in the premed allo forum.
It is still impressive considering all the negative posting on this forum and if you choose the carib route it should be SGU.
I think that there is a ton of incredibly true negative information about all Carib schools. I think if you are going to ignore it and go anyway, then sure, go SGU.
Either here, or more specifically valuemd.
INFORMATION ONLY ATTENDED If you have to go Carib then choose SGU that's it.Cross posted on pre-DO...I'm guessing this was supposed to be a "so there!" sortof thing. Not sure why you'd post a match list to try to accomplishing that but...
In before lock!
For some people it's their only hope. One guy matched into surgery at Mayo. Must have had a crazy Step score. I bet he knew he was smart, but somehow other schools wouldn't take him, or maybe international.
Cross posted on pre-DO...I'm guessing this was supposed to be a "so there!" sortof thing. Not sure why you'd post a match list to try to accomplishing that but...
In before lock!
why you mad tho?
Did they match categorical or prelim?
Beyond that, Mayo isn't a terribly competitive GenSurg program. Gets killed by being in Rochester.
I'm scared of Mayo after reading Hot Lights, Cold Steel. I can't even imagine dealing with temperatures that cold.
Not mad at all, I'm sure there are some smart people that matched to great programs...I just don't understand the rational behind OP starting this thread.
Not mad at all, I'm sure there are some smart people that matched to great programs...I just don't understand the rational behind OP starting this thread.
I agree. I dunno what the rationale is besides information on a random forum not related to the Caribbean.
What does a categorical vs a prelim match mean?
Why are so many people disgruntled regarding carib schools on here? Especially current medical students. Are you guys that pretentious and/or insecure that you have to constantly look down on carib schools? We all know about their reputation, and the residency crunch (and all other issues). If an individual took a risk in attending a caribbean school and ended up matching, then good for them. No need to be negative about it.
Not mad at all, I'm sure there are some smart people that matched to great programs...I just don't understand the rational behind OP starting this thread.
Why do you guys give a flying **** if somebody posts match data for SGU? It's interesting to some people even if they know better. It's just interesting data posted in the PRE-MED forum. Go study for Step 1.
It is interesting, however I just thought it was so random :/
I don't mean any disrespect to all the people who matched. Obviously, it's awesome for them to overcome the odds and make it out to be a physician in the end. Sadly, I was skeptical due to the reputation of the OP getting into fights with people about going to offshore schools...
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Categorical = you match and you're guaranteed a full residency.
Prelim/transitional = you match and you're only guaranteed one year.
Some specialties like anesthesia, I believe, are strictly non-categorical. This means an anesthesiology resident would have to do a 1 year standalone prelim/transitional year before he could match into a 2nd year position and continue his training through the 4th year.
For offshore schools, matching into a prelim/transitional slot isn't necessarily indicative of being in the training pipeline for a non-categorical specialty like anesthesia. It might be more likely that the only place an offshore med student could match is a ****ty dead-end prelim/transitional slot because the hospital had free slots and the med student was desperate to get anything.
OP, I think you misclicked!
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Sort of. Categorical means you have matched into the specialty. Prelim or transitional means you have matched into an intern year, and maybe nothing else. Surgery prelims are often dead ends -- you do a year hoping that it serves as an audition for a second year spot but often it doesn't. Prelim years are important for fields where the residencies are advanced, ie that start in pgy2. (neuro, radiology, derma, optho, anesthesia, PM&R, rad onc, nuclear med). But for advanced you'd usually line these up at the same time as you match into your prelim, and I don't see many names listed twice on that match list. Some fields, eg anesthesia have both categorical paths and advanced spots. Basically a built in prelim. So matching into anesthesiology in pgy1 doesn't equate to a dead end spot the way a prelim surgery spot might.
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No, it still requires context before it is impressive or lousy. How many people applied? If the number of applicants is huge, a long list of successful people could still be an awful match rate. How does this compare to the prior year? How does this compare to US and other offshore options? How many people didn't get this far through the school, ie what was the attrition rate? To what extent do people get held back for various reasons (ie is this all one class or people from multiple classes that were finally "allowed" to finish and apply). And to what extent are these categorical (ie real) spots or prelim (ie dead end or "audition") type spots? Without this context, it's sort of like getting excited about some kids scribble hung on the refrigerator as impressive while ignoring the Picassos and Mona Lisas hanging in the other room. Context is what makes the point one way or the other.
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We have 4 Caribbean pre-lims this year in our institution and the neighboring institution. Not a single one was offered a PGY-2 spot and none of them matched this year.
+1 to LawDoc's posts. Context is everything. To be blunt, I don't consider matching a prelim spot really 'matching'. You are being hired for a year of cheap labor, nothing more.
+1 to LawDoc's posts. Context is everything. To be blunt, I don't consider matching a prelim spot really 'matching'. You are being hired for a year of cheap labor, nothing more.
More negative input directed at a carib school. SGU has been in existence for more then 25 yrs, I believe they have over 10,000 doctors in practice. So what is your point on continuing to find holes in there residency posting.You would make a great PD just scratch off any carib apps.
I don't think insisting on context is "negative input". It's a neutral concept. SGU could be doing very well or very poorly but without the context it's just not possible to tell. I think you can draw some inferences from their not providing the necessary context, or by dodging the prelim vs categorical issues, but your notion that we are bashing SGU by requiring context really implies that your conclusion is similar to ours -- that this list won't stand up once all the information is on the table. the only reason to fight the inclusion of additional facts is if you know it will make your argument weaker.
Again 10,000 doctors in practice over 25 years -- needs context. Is that very good or very bad? Are things changing over time? How does that compare to the number of people they didn't turn into doctors over the past 25 years? How does that compare to US programs? Again I'm not saying if this is good or bad, but I think you need all the information on the table before you suggest they are doing well (or poorly). And the burden is not really on us to overcome any presumptions.
I would refer everyone back to this thread, since its going there anyways:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=955392
Most important post there, I think:
No one said it would be easy, This person took 2 attempts RED FLAG to pass step 1 with a 220 not good for a carib applicant....probably didn't have great grades.
Or most importantly...went to a Carib school. I love that you can laser focus in on the theoretical negatives in that post, but freak out in this one (well, that one too) whenever anyone points out any possible theoretical problems with the info as it is presented.
If every time you post a question or new tread needing all the information you request we would be here for yrs. This article is for information only. It is up to the individual to continue his or her's search on the contents pertaining to the article.
Who is freaking out I am just returning responses to your rebuttal.That is what we do here exchange our opinions.
Why does it matter where I live....
Why did you quote me? Your response has nothing to do with my post.
I just wanted to get an insight on how you formed your opinions on medical schools offshore--perhaps out of ignorance or simply being misinformed.
That's exactly what I and others have said,,,you are the one who has pointed out that wanting more info with which to judge the contents of that match list is being "negative." You can throw all the non-contextual statistics at this thread you want. Here, I'll start: SGU-grad docs have saved 1.24 million lives in the last 25 years! You know what? I couldn't care less, because that stat is worthless in the broader context of "should premeds with any other options available to them choose Carib schools? Why or why not?" I know for a fact that US premeds should do everything in their power to not go Carib, for reasons discussed to death elsewhere on this forum. Your random match list doesn't change my mind, and I hope for the sanity of all involved it doesn't sway any readers here. I'm sorry that that doesn't work to support your confirmation bias, but making laricb feel better isn't the purpose of this forum, helping premeds matriculate to the best program possible is.
In error, meant for another member...
Oh please. You are posting an SGU written, self promoting, article on a premed website, presumably with the goal of reaching would be applicants. This isn't an unbiased third party news article we are talking about. The community here wouldn't be doing much of a service without requesting a bit if context so these numbers can be understood within the greater picture, so premeds could actually make an informed decision. I am not saying whether the article is positive or puffery, just saying that in this kind of situation you really have to expect members of the board to insist on context. Anyone with self interest can put a positive spin on anything.
Stop attacking just have a member to member exchange. I don't care what you do with this info. I know of many residence who went to sgu and are doing very well in the NY area, just take a chill pill.
We I'm convinced. Anybody else going carib now as well?
I was actually planning on going to Sackler Medical, but Law2Doc talked me out of that. God bless his heart.....
And what are you doing. Anything I post pertaining to a Carib school even with all the information you request would still be responded with negative feedback, who are you kidding you dislike anything about Carib schools.
You will never make it threw medical school with that childish responseI was actually planning on going to Sackler Medical, but Law2Doc talked me out of that. God bless his heart.....
But that's the difference I guess, I DO care how premeds in this forum use the info you've posted. You want to present one side of an argument. From what I know, I feel strongly that the other side of that argument is valid and needs to be heard. I'm not mad, just want to present the full case for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't want a one-on-one exchange, because my problem isn't with you. I want an open exchange because I want to push back on the idea that everyone should consider the Carib schools right along side every other US MD and DO program because...MATCH LIST! There is more to that story, you'd rather it not be told, I'm fine with that.
