SGU Global Scholars Program vs. Touro-NY

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So the Global Scholars Program for SGU is spending the 1st yr in Newcastle in the UK at Northumbria Univ doin your basic sciences. 2nd yr basic sciences back in Grenada. 3rd and 4th yrs in US. (Prolly a high chance its in NY due to abundance of rotation spots for SGU.) From my forum researching, the cons are that there may be some licensing trouble for CA and maybe NJ due to studyin the 1st yr in a off-site campus. And I really don't know where I might end up in the US, but hey keeping all 50 states open (especially one as appealing as Cali) ain't a bad thing. But its SO cool I will be in 3 diff spots within my 4 yrs.

And my other main option is Touro College in New York, a DO school. I will only be the 2nd class, but its in a sick location and bc of the rep of the Dean and the location (1st med school in NY in over 30 yrs), it seems bound to be good. And obvious licensure in all 50 states once graduated.

What do you think I should go with?
 
If I were in your situation, I would choose MD over DO, for personal reasons, but I wouldn't do the UK program b/c of the licensing issues.

I would try to get into the normal SGU class or go to AUC.

Although, DO school does give you lots of options and besides the last two letters, differs little from MD programs.
 
I just started 2nd year at SGU and so far, so good from my point of view re: the school. I agree with McGillGrad that you should try to get into the regular program in GND.

Assuming you can't get that program then I'd lean towards Touro-NY since it won't have any licensing issues like the GSP program probably will, but that's personal opinion and I don't know anything really about Touro-NY so just basing my opinion on licensing.
 
Hey I go to NYCPM down the street on East Harlem. The area is not that bad. I've been here a year and none of my classmates have had a problem going to school in Harlem. I would say go to Touro-NY.
 
SGU is a solid program and much better than any DO program. I wish I did not waste time in DO school and went directly to SGU. Better prep for boards, better rotations, and good reputation. Only down side is it is outside the USA.

The GSP in the UK is identical to Grenada program and the students from the GSP that just joined our 2nd year class for term 3 all had good reviews of being in Newcastle and wish they can go back. However the licensing issue in California would be problematic if you are from there.
 
You are correct in thinking you would have troubles w/California licensing. It is quite involved to get a license there as they have lots of requirements and really aren't looking for more docs.

I guess I am biased, and I really don't know much about DO schools or Touro at all, but I'd lean toward the US DO school over the Caribbean med school. My impression is that it's easier for a DO grad to get a residency than a Caribbean med school grad. Keep in mind that the DO's are expanding in terms of med school spots, and also they have their own hospitals and own residencies. There are even DO dermatologists, etc. Either way, I think to do well on the USMLE (if you want to do an allopathic hospital residency) will be key. Also, I don't know what all DO's have to do to get a license, but MD IMG's, even those w/US citizenship, just have to go through so much crap to get licensed, etc. I feel like the DO degree used to have some sort of stigma attached, but that seems to be fading. Keep in mind that some patients have a disregard for a "foreign" medical school degree, etc. Of course some have that same stereotype about DO but I think there are less of these folks than in the past. Also, if you go to school in NYC at Touro you'd have an easier time networking, etc. which could be key to finding a residency. You can bet your boots that the faculty at Touro known other docs who help run residencies - likely both DO and MD ones.

I have had friends, good doctors, but IMGs, who really had to struggle to get a good residency position. My impression is that DO's do OK, unless trying to get into one of the more competitive MD residencies like derm, plastic surg, etc. Some Carib students do OK also, but you don't hear about all the ones who struggled or maybe never even got a residency.
 
... Also, if you go to school in NYC at Touro you'd have an easier time networking, etc. which could be key to finding a residency. You can bet your boots that the faculty at Touro known other docs who help run residencies - likely both DO and MD ones.

I have had friends, good doctors, but IMGs, who really had to struggle to get a good residency position. My impression is that DO's do OK, unless trying to get into one of the more competitive MD residencies like derm, plastic surg, etc. Some Carib students do OK also, but you don't hear about all the ones who struggled or maybe never even got a residency.

Most of SGU students do their rotations in NY or NJ. They get excellent exposure to network and get residency in those states (as well as others).

http://www.sgu.edu/website/sguwebsite.nsf/news-events/news-archives07-HHC.html

See the link to residency match for this year and the years before and please do compare to other DO schools and their residency match list.

http://www.sgu.edu/ERD/2008/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1
 
Most of SGU students do their rotations in NY or NJ. They get excellent exposure to network and get residency in those states (as well as others).

http://www.sgu.edu/website/sguwebsite.nsf/news-events/news-archives07-HHC.html

See the link to residency match for this year and the years before and please do compare to other DO schools and their residency match list.

http://www.sgu.edu/ERD/2008/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1

DO and SGU are looked upon about the same when try for allopathic residencies from what i hear from friends. Both of you are at a disadvantage when you apply for residencies because it is a US allopathic residency. Some hospitals favor DO's over IMG, some hospitals favor IMG's

DO have the advantage for having their own residencies. DO and sgu have around the same rates in matching into their first or second choice (73ish percent) in allopathic residencies. When you look at osteo schools at their match rate in just their first choice in the AOA match it is around 88%. That is the added benefit.

When you look at a school like NYCOM which rotates around the same locations as SGU, you see residencies such ENT, Optho, ortho, and derm. Granted alot of them are DO residencies, but they have that added benefit. You rarely see any SGU graduate match into that. Even though just their fall class is bigger than NYCOM class for the whole year.

NYCOM VS SGU is a great comparison because they both have alot of NY residents and rotate there. NYCOM match's 45 percent to primary care. As for touro it is a new school, but the north east is fairly DO friendly and schools in that area UMDNJ, PCOM and NYCOM do well in the match.

SGU will throw their match list around and show you the numbers that matched and say its all great but 70% student's do primary care. They are going to have close to 1000 students now a year maybe even over (fall+spring+gsp). Of course you will get a few radiology, surgery, etc with that many students. Overall i wasn't impressed at sgu residency match at all.

I too had the choice between DO vs Caribean MD (SGU Gernada). I chose DO for the reason why i stated above. But in the end it matters if you are content with being a DO, do you like to learn OMM, Do you mind traveling to a foreign country.

I have stated this before

I have the pgy 2 sgu list on an excel sheet and looking at right now, They were 20 anesthesia 11 radiology, 3 ortho,1 opto, 2 radiation oncology, 14 gen surgery 148 internal medicine, 59 family medicine, 53 peds, 23 obgyn, 28 emergency med,etc.. there were 424 matches reported. 69% of sgu grads did primary care (internal med + family med+obgyn+peds). There is 7 more Family med then they were anestheisia+rads+ortho+opto+derm+rad onc+surgery

Another argument people make is DO are not allowed to practice everywhere, well so its SGU

"St. George's University graduates have been licensed to practice medicine in at least 35 countries, as well as in all 50 states in the United States. As with all educational institutions,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George's_University

DO's are allowed to about the same amount of countries. I think it is about 40.

In the end if you want to go to allopathic residency, It matters more on you then what school you go, or what degree you get.
 
What are the licensing considerations that people on here are referencing? If SGU grads have the same curriculum and the GSP is a satellite program for SGU, then why is there an issue with CA? I'm not debating that this is the case, but I am considering the Global Scholars program, would like to practice in CA if possible (great weather!) and would like to see some evidence that the GSP students can't practice in CA. Thanks!

I guess I could contact the CA licensing board...