'Shortage of residency slots may have chilling effect on next generation of physicians'

[Stagg737]

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I don't really believe that. I know for a fact that competitive residency programs at my own school have given advantage to kids of prominent physicians here (friends of mine) even though they were not the top candidates. I'm sure this isn't isolated to this insitution. People are people and they scratch each other's backs. You're being naive if you think that's not the case.

And there's programs that accept large amounts of Caribbean students because the Carib schools pay them for rotation spots. I'm not talking n=1, I'm talking about the bigger picture. If they're the kids of prominent docs who work at that institution, then I get that. I'm not saying that networking and connections don't matter. What I'm saying is that the best programs are not going to just give a kid from a prominent family the position just because of that connection (99% of the time). The applicant is going to have to be strong and work at least decently with the team. Any program that accepts someone simply based on the connection or just because of the reputation of an institution they attended will get what they deserve from them.

 

[chipwhitley]

name them.

How about you name yourself first?? 🙂

 

[Stagg737]

How about you name yourself first?? 🙂

I have no problem naming the two institutions where I know it happened...

 

[chipwhitley]

And there's programs that accept large amounts of Caribbean students because the Carib schools pay them for rotation spots. I'm not talking n=1, I'm talking about the bigger picture. If they're the kids of prominent docs who work at that institution, then I get that. I'm not saying that networking and connections don't matter. What I'm saying is that the best programs are not going to just give a kid from a prominent family the position just because of that connection (99% of the time). The applicant is going to have to be strong and work at least decently with the team. Any program that accepts someone simply based on the connection or just because of the reputation of an institution they attended will get what they deserve from them.

I think the majority of students coming out of American schools would make fine residents. Do you really think a resident with a 260 is that much more capable of working well with the team and being a good resident than one with a 240? In a situation where everyone blends together, the things that help you and give you opportunities to stand out include where you went to school and who you know. If you look at my own school's match list and compare it to a top med school, for example, you'll see a huge difference in the prestige of residencies people match to although our mean step scores are very close.

Edit: Also, the carribean thing is definitely not n=1. It happens en masse. However, the residencies they match to aren't exactly the best, to put it nicely, so it's not a great route to go if you can avoid it.

 

[chipwhitley]

I have no problem naming the two institutions where I know it happened...

I don't want to disclose where I go to school because I've voiced some unpopular opinions on this board and the last thing I want is to break my anonymity and have that come back and bite me.

 

[WingedOx]

I don't want to disclose where I go to school because I've voiced some unpopular opinions on this board and the last thing I want is to break my anonymity and have that come back and bite me.

umm, your opinions aren't "unpopular", they're just whiny. They're the same ones that pop up every year in allo around this time when students fall into the "med school is TOOOOO HAAAAARD!" phase. You'll (probably) get over it just like everyone else does.

 

[Stagg737]

I think the majority of students coming out of American schools would make fine residents. Do you really think a resident with a 260 is that much more capable of working well with the team and being a good resident than one with a 240? In a situation where everyone blends together, the things that stand out include where you went to school and who you know. If you look at my own school's match list (we are lower tier) and compare it to a top med school, for example, you'll see a huge difference in the prestige of residencies people match to although our mean step scores are very close.

A 20 point swing on Step 1 would tell me that one person probably has a significantly stronger grasp on the foundational information than the other. Whether that translates into stronger clinical skills is something Idk, so I won't argue there, but I certainly agree that it isn't indicative of how well a person will interact with a given team or interview. I'd make the same argument that what school you went to doesn't make a difference in those aspects either (unless the people you're interacting with have decent ties there themselves).

I don't want to disclose where I go to school because I've voiced some unpopular opinions on this board and the last thing I want is to break my anonymity and have that come back and bite me.

That's fair enough. Personally though, I wouldn't want to work with someone who is going to judge my professional future just based something said on one topic. Especially something as innocuous as public vs. private high school.

 

[chipwhitley]

umm, your opinions aren't "unpopular", they're just whiny. They're the same ones that pop up every year in allo around this time when students fall into the "med school is TOOOOO HAAAAARD!" phase. You'll (probably) get over it just like everyone else does.

No I've actually said negative things about my school on here which, if it got back to them, would probably end in them giving me an unneccessarily hard time.

 

[chipwhitley]

That's fair enough. Personally though, I wouldn't want to work with someone who is going to judge my professional future just based something said on one topic. Especially something as innocuous as public vs. private high school.

I'm certainly not judging you based on where you went to school. The entire discussion was precipitated by a poster asserting that there is no benefit to going to a private school. That assumes that everyone who decides to send their kids to a private school is a fool, which is far from the case. There are many benefits to going to a private high school, especially if the public high school in your district is lacking. That's really all I was trying to argue here.

 

[WingedOx]

The entire discussion was precipitated by a poster asserting that there is no benefit to going to a private school. That assumes that everyone who decides to send their kids to a private school is a fool, which is far from the case.

I'm glad for you that you didn't take the LSAT.

 

[pd1112]

It ain't getting any better... They should add 2 more years residency to every specialty and demand all physicians to be board re-certified every 5 years... [sarcasm]

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/266610-shortage-of-residency-slots-may-have-chilling-effect-on-next?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheHillCongressBlog+(The+Hill:+Congress+Blog)

What do you gain from starting your weekly/monthly threads like this one?

 

[chipwhitley]

I'm glad for you that you didn't take the LSAT.

Unless you believe that spending a lot of money on something you could get for free is not a foolish decision, I don't see the fault in my logic there.

 

[chipwhitley]

I'd make the same argument that what school you went to doesn't make a difference in those aspects either (unless the people you're interacting with have decent ties there themselves).

I think the part in parenthesis is big and usually true between prestigious institutions.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Come on people. If you love midwest, go to midwest. I like ktown and top schools, so i go for top schools. No need to diss each other.

Well there are tons of Koreans in my state with only a few private schools that are considered elite (Obama went to one of them). I have to admit it is hard to go more than a month without eating any Yuk Gae Jung for me, it is just that good...

 

[Seth Joo]

And there's programs that accept large amounts of Caribbean students because the Carib schools pay them for rotation spots. I'm not talking n=1, I'm talking about the bigger picture. If they're the kids of prominent docs who work at that institution, then I get that. I'm not saying that networking and connections don't matter. What I'm saying is that the best programs are not going to just give a kid from a prominent family the position just because of that connection (99% of the time). The applicant is going to have to be strong and work at least decently with the team. Any program that accepts someone simply based on the connection or just because of the reputation of an institution they attended will get what they deserve from them.

I do not see a residency shortage just now, maybe in another 10 to 15 years there might be, but that is a maybe. Even the offshore graduates with strong board scores can get a place in some undesirable locale, at least the ones from the more well known offshore schools.

The people from the less well known offshore schools will be out of luck.

 

[Stagg737]

I think the part in parenthesis is big and usually true between prestigious institutions.

That may be, but the few people I've met from prestigious midwestern institutions seemed to have connections randomly scattered at other prestigious schools who would not have much influence in actually getting one admitted to a med school or residency program. Just my n=1 though.

 

[ridethecliche]

While places near WashU, Oberlin, case western may have areas with highly educated people, these areas are still not diverse. To me, Diversity doesnt just mean whites, hispanics and blacks. It should include asians too. I want to send my children to schools where Mandarin is taught as one of second languages (more useful than spanish imho) and prefer to live in areas where Korean is taught in korean church every sunday.

Living near ktowns will fill these boxes for me. Most ktowns are located near each state's top high school. These schools would be my future children's backup schools in case top privates dont work out.

Ex) ktown in VA is close to thomas jefferson science and tech (#3 public high school in the nation)

ktown in atlanta ga is near by Gwinnett School of Mathematics, Science and Technology (#4 public high school in the nation)

I like Atlanta a lot cause its close to florida(my current home) and ga has hope scholarship and my future children can go to gtech for free in case ivy leagues dont work out. Plus GA's third most widely spoken language is Korean. Haha thinking about my bright future makes me feel happy.

So basically you're not looking for diversity, you're looking for a very specific community. There's a huge difference. You can't just arbitrarily come up with a definition of diversity and then start getting very confused why people don't understand what you're saying. You're basically saying you want diversity while describing an elitist mecca of sorts. Mandarin is taught in an incredibly small % of public schools. Might as well pack your bags and head to NYC and pay someone to get your kids into stuy.

You can want whatever you want, but just be up front about it. I really have nothing more to add because you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying in order to argue with it.

 

[W19]

What do you gain from starting your weekly/monthly threads like this one?

Was that a rhetorical question? If I am not mistaken, we are in an online forum here where discussion regarding the practice of medicine is encouraged. You should become a moderator so you can close the threads you don't like...

 

[libraryismyhome]

So basically you're not looking for diversity, you're looking for a very specific community. There's a huge difference. You can't just arbitrarily come up with a definition of diversity and then start getting very confused why people don't understand what you're saying. You're basically saying you want diversity while describing an elitist mecca of sorts. Mandarin is taught in an incredibly small % of public schools. Might as well pack your bags and head to NYC and pay someone to get your kids into stuy.

You can want whatever you want, but just be up front about it. I really have nothing more to add because you keep misrepresenting what I'm saying in order to argue with it.

To me, this sounds like asian population should stay under 5% like any other communities.

Sure. These communities i describe are like 20% asian american. While living in small towns, I have experienced internalized racism bc of asians being minorities. I noticed that my social status dramatically changing when i lived in places that are 20% asians. You have no idea how many women i went to dates with, made out with and slept with regardless of ethnic backgrounds in these areas.

This may be a stupid example to you but this tells me that my social status significantly improved and was seen as more than a math nerd, a martial artist, asexual william hung or ken jeong.

And guess what? South Korea, alone has larger economy than the entire spanish speaking south american countries combined.
Mandarin? Several times larger economy and more speakers than combining every single spanish speaking countries in the world.

You may teach your kids Spanish and continue live in areas where people speak spanish. I am sure these areas are wealthy, highly advanced and safe. While i teach mandarin to kids and let them have the choice of choosing competitive careers that involves working with people from all over the world.

 

[Mansamusa]

To me, this sounds like asian population should stay under 5% like any other communities.

Sure. These communities i describe are like 20% asian american. While living in small towns, I have experienced internalized racism bc of asians being minorities. I noticed that my social status dramatically changing when i lived in places that are 20% asians. You have no idea how many women i went to dates with, made out with and slept with regardless of ethnic backgrounds in these areas.

This may be a stupid example to you but this tells me that my social status significantly improved and was seen as more than a math nerd, a martial artist, asexual william hung or ken jeong.

And guess what? South Korea, alone has larger economy than the entire spanish speaking south american countries combined.
Mandarin? Several times larger economy and more speakers than combining every single spanish speaking countries in the world.

You may teach your kids Spanish and continue live in areas where people speak spanish. I am sure these areas are wealthy, highly advanced and safe. While i teach mandarin to kids and let them have the choice of choosing competitive careers that involves working with people from all over the world.

Ya know, if you are getting more action in urban areas it could just be because there are more people. Like if 1 in 1 million people are willing to sleep with you, you would find more partners in a city than rural areas. Doesn't necessarily say something about your status. (Also cities have more of a hook-up culture, more of a dating scene, more opportunities to meet people, etc)

Anddddddd Mandarin is only slightly useful for certain fields. Most business people will never need Mandarin and most other careers don't require Mandarin. Mandarin in medicine would basically just be useful for areas like Chinatown, NYC, which is one of the poorest communities in NY

 

[ridethecliche]

To me, this sounds like asian population should stay under 5% like any other communities.

Sure. These communities i describe are like 20% asian american. While living in small towns, I have experienced internalized racism bc of asians being minorities. I noticed that my social status dramatically changing when i lived in places that are 20% asians. You have no idea how many women i went to dates with, made out with and slept with regardless of ethnic backgrounds in these areas.

This may be a stupid example to you but this tells me that my social status significantly improved and was seen as more than a math nerd, a martial artist, asexual william hung or ken jeong.

And guess what? South Korea, alone has larger economy than the entire spanish speaking south american countries combined.
Mandarin? Several times larger economy and more speakers than combining every single spanish speaking countries in the world.

You may teach your kids Spanish and continue live in areas where people speak spanish. I am sure these areas are wealthy, highly advanced and safe. While i teach mandarin to kids and let them have the choice of choosing competitive careers that involves working with people from all over the world.

I'm Asian you dolt.

I'm sorry your sex life sucks and I'm sure that moving to a place with a lot of Koreans where you're an eligible educated Korean male will raise your status in society. Let me know how that works for you when you find people being interested in you due to your social status or such. Really, there's no end to the rabbit hole.

Also, like I said in my previous post, you keep misrepresenting what I said. I never even insinuated that the Asian population should stay at 5%. How the eff are you so clueless?

But also, diversity means that something is relatively representative. Minneapolis, twin cities, etc. have an Asian population that is representative of America at large. You're looking for the opposite of diversity. Yeah, there's a loaded history as to why china towns/ korea towns exist in the first place and I'm pretty well read on that subject. But you've shown yet again that your comprehension is poor and you'd rather argue with a strawman than even try to read what I'm saying.

Also holy hell man, why did Spanish even come up? Were you insinuating that I was Hispanic because I was writing the way I did? You've got some really really really deep seated issues if what you've written in your post is accurate. You sound like a friggin' MRA. Maybe you should work on being more awesome.

I will say that, yeah, my dating life definitely was different moving from a city to where I go to med school. But I also started med school, so I definitely didn't have the time to put in the same amount of effort as I did when I was single in a big city. That said, maybe the problem in all of this is... you?

 

[bcbcti]

I registered an account to just reply to this.

I've noticed a trend on this forum (and in real life) of how quick Asians are to tear each other down. With other minority groups, there's more of ... solidarity. A hispanic, black, or LBGT person expressing a desire for "diversity" would never be met with scorn from his fellows. This person is obviously an immigrant and would like to mingle with other Asians who share the same values. I see nothing wrong with that. How would it be received if you called out a lesbian yearning for more diversity by saying, "Hah! All you want is more LBGTs! You're a phony!". Obviously we all know what the word diversity has been co-opted to mean concerning minorities.

I question why your reply was filled with such vitriol and condescension. My guess is that you're using him as a punching bag for your own unresolved issues with Asian immigrant values, but I digress.

I also disagree with your assessment that he has "deep-seated issues". Really, as someone who is Asian yourself I'm honestly shocked at your lack of sympathy. Asian men are stereotyped as effeminate, short, submissive drones regularly by popular culture. They're continually pigeon-holed into archetypes. You don't think these bleed over into prejudices on an individual level? Since you're a medical student, I bet you like data: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/okcupid-race_n_5811840.html. And if you haven't read this, you should: http://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5.

Luckily, I've never felt the degree of alienation that he does. I was born here, but my immigrant story is likely the same as his. My heart breaks when I remember my mother being turned away from job after job because she spoke English with an accent, or when I hear the racism my father still experiences to his day in his job. And I live in a coastal state. Of course my parents would've wanted an Asian community around them. Every immigrant wants to feel less alone.

Great insinuation that Korean women will only be shallowly interested in his status, by the way. Let's disregard the whole shared cultural experience thing and try to take him down another peg, eh? No way could a woman find comfort in sharing cuisine, language, parental expectations, values, or hobbies with him - traits that I'm sure align more closely in two people from Korea than from some other country - right? Nope, she's only after your money! Seriously?

Calling him a dolt for seeking acceptance is counterproductive. What he expresses may not be completely political correct, but is a common sentiment I hear from immigrants, including non-asians - and it comes from an earnest desire to succeed in a new, unfamiliar country.

But I suppose all he has to do is "be more awesome", right? Great counseling there, MSwhatever.

 

[Psai]

What does any of this have to do with the thread

 

[bcbcti]

Something something cultural competence

 

[WingedOx]

Mandarin in medicine would basically just be useful for areas like Chinatown, NYC, which is one of the poorest communities in NY

IIRC, NYC Chinatown is mostly Cantonese speaking.

 

[TBV]

I went to an IB high school so i guess thats one of the best programs available in public school system. My band and orchestra always won top grades and my mu alpha theta math club won several national championships. My varsity sports... Hmm yeah it was okay. Sometimes good and other times bad

I am from South Korea and lived near by kangnam area and i wasnt very much impressed with the public education i had in suburban us. Even the best school in my current state: the pineview school (#8 public school in the country). I made my personal visit there twice but i was not impressed. Pre-algebra in 7th grade? I took algebra 2 when i was a 7th grade.

My family's next educational goal would be some of the world's finest prep schools. They are: choate rosemary, philips exeter, milton, graton, or st.paul school. Some of these high schools have like 1500 students and have more endowment (several hundred million) than some state universities that educate 40000 students.

I agree with you folks saying that public school education system is similar wherever you go in us. But thats not what i am aiming for when i become the leader of my family as the first born grandson.

You may laugh at this cause you are a westerner but i am not joking. I have 1200 years old genealogy book and have the records about what my direct ancestors accomplished. As a descent, i aim to reclaim the former glory that my family had.

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Look at the bright side if you fail you can always save your family honor with seppuku

 

[OverlyRomantic]

Holy crap, can a mod please lock this post! I don't think we are ever going to get back on topic.

 

[libraryismyhome]

I'm Asian you dolt.

I'm sorry your sex life sucks and I'm sure that moving to a place with a lot of Koreans where there's an eligible educated Korean male will raise your status in society. Let me know how that works for you when you find people being interested in you due to your social status or such. Really, there's no end to the rabbit hole.

Also, like I said in my previous post, you keep misrepresenting what I said. I never even insinuated that the Asian population should stay at 5%. How the eff are you so clueless?

But also, diversity means that something is relatively representative. Minneapolis, twin cities, etc. have an Asian population that is representative of America at large. You're looking for the opposite of diversity. Yeah, there's a loaded history as to why china towns/ korea towns exist in the first place and I'm pretty well read on that subject. But you've shown yet again that your comprehension is poor and you'd rather argue with a strawman than even try to read what I'm saying.

Also holy hell man, why did Spanish even come up? Were you insinuating that I was Hispanic because I was writing the way I did? You've got some really really really deep seated issues if what you've written in your post is accurate. You sound like a friggin' MRA. Maybe you should work on being more awesome.

I will say that, yeah, my dating life definitely was different moving from a city to where I go to med school. But I also started med school, so I definitely didn't have the time to put in the same amount of effort as I did when I was single in a big city. That said, maybe the problem in all of this is... you?

You are born here and you cannot read either. Korean women are easier for me anywhere regardless of my status if i approach them for serious dating. I am able to get their numbers just by talking to them for like 10 min. I met this korean girl through online dating and she was the daughter of the ceo of one of biggest hospitals in seoul. She was smokin hot too. Not sketchy and ghetto like jamie chung

I am talking about nonasian women. How the heck i can date like 10 nonasian women in two weeks in diverse areas while i can only get like 1 or two in small towns? And these small towns are full of people in 20s cause they are college towns.

Its because in small towns, i am like that asian dude who cleaned their nails or clowns like william hong or ken jeong through hollywood movies. They never saw any cool asian males in their lives. During high school, i was like the biggest and the tallest asian guy that they have ever met and i am only 6'1".

In areas near ktowns, nonasian people are exoposed to both hollywood and kpop. They now learn that there are sellouts like ken jeong and william hung but there are attractive asian men in kpop. So my ex gf in washington dc was a white girl who knew more kpop stuff than i was. I go to clubs and i get to make out with like 3 girls in all different skin tones.

This doesnt mean much to me now cause i have a girl friend but i did notice the dramatic difference in social status in these two different areas with different proportion of asian population. I live in these two areas for several years during my 20s so i cannot just dismiss this as a mere coincidence.

 

[libraryismyhome]

Back to the topic, i feel that living in areas with more asian american population would help me to have more successful private practice cause there are more asian patients and nonasian patients would feel less uncomfortable to see me.

 

[ridethecliche]

You are born here and you cannot read either. Korean women are easier for me anywhere regardless of my status if i approach them for serious dating. I am able to get their numbers just by talking to them for like 10 min. I met this korean girl through online dating and she was the daughter of the ceo of one of biggest hospitals in seoul. She was smokin hot too. Not sketchy and ghetto like jamie chung

I am talking about nonasian women. How the heck i can date like 10 nonasian women in two weeks in diverse areas while i can only get like 1 or two in small towns? And these small towns are full of people in 20s cause they are college towns.

Its because in small towns, i am like that asian dude who cleaned their nails or clowns like william hong or ken jeong through hollywood movies. They never saw any cool asian males in their lives. During high school, i was like the biggest and the tallest asian guy that they have ever met and i am only 6'1".

In areas near ktowns, nonasian people are exoposed to both hollywood and kpop. They now learn that there are sellouts like ken jeong and william hung but there are attractive asian men in kpop. So my ex gf in washington dc was a white girl who knew more kpop stuff than i was. I go to clubs and i get to make out with like 3 girls in all different skin tones.

This doesnt mean much to me now cause i have a girl friend but i did notice the dramatic difference in social status in these two different areas with different proportion of asian population. I live in these two areas for several years during my 20s so i cannot just dismiss this as a mere coincidence.

Wow. This is actually terrifying.

Also, I wasn't born here. I'm pretty sure that's more than 3 strikes. You're out buddy.

Back to the topic, i feel that living in areas with more asian american population would help me to have more successful private practice cause there are more asian patients and nonasian patients would feel less uncomfortable to see me.

Dammit, you were out man. You don't have any strikes left. Stop being so wrong. You're in the realm of negative sense now. You realize the population just wants good doctors for the most part, right? Then again, you're talking specifically for yourself so I guess this doesn't really negate the reality.

This guy is living in such a weird la la land. Like who feels the need to bring up the number of multi ethnic/white girls they can make out/hook up/date on SDN? Holy hell.

Someone please tell me this is an elaborate troll account. Please please please.

 

[Mansamusa]

Back to the topic, i feel that living in areas with more asian american population would help me to have more successful private practice cause there are more asian patients and nonasian patients would feel less uncomfortable to see me.

That wasn't the topic, but you are very good at making topics about you.

As for the post above the one I quoted: Dude, statistics. The diverse areas you are referring to has millions of people, so obviously you would have more dating opportunities than in a small town.....that's just how numbers work

 

[libraryismyhome]

That wasn't the topic, but you are very good at making topics about you.

As for the post above the one I quoted: Dude, statistics. The diverse areas you are referring to has millions of people, so obviously you would have more dating opportunities than in a small town.....that's just how numbers work

But these small towns are college towns.

 

[FindMeOnTheLinks]

So guys, would any of you object to doing residency at mayo given that it is in a "small town"?

 

[libraryismyhome]

So guys, would any of you object to doing residency at mayo given that it is in a "small town"?

Do it and leave asap

 

[WingedOx]

Holy crap, can a mod please lock this post! I don't think we are ever going to get back on topic.

The original topic wasn't all that interesting.

 

[libraryismyhome]

Wow. This is actually terrifying.

Also, I wasn't born here. I'm pretty sure that's more than 3 strikes. You're out buddy.



Dammit, you were out man. You don't have any strikes left. Stop being so wrong. You're in the realm of negative sense now. You realize the population just wants good doctors for the most part, right? Then again, you're talking specifically for yourself so I guess this doesn't really negate the reality.

This guy is living in such a weird la la land. Like who feels the need to bring up the number of multi ethnic/white girls they can make out/hook up/date on SDN? Holy hell.

Someone please tell me this is an elaborate troll account. Please please please.

Do you have self hate? Its usually common among asian children whose parents belong to working class. My father went to seoul national university and is a professor so i dont hate myself.

Ex) jamie chung, a korean american sellout who wore samurai clothes and call it as her alter ego. This was accepted among white americans so she kept it and blocked asian americans criticizing her on twitter. Her parents belong to working class in san fran btw. Dunno how many french american women would be willing to dress up in nazi military clothes.

Dont pretend that you were never sellout and try to join us when china buys the entire hollywood and start sensoring movies like hangover and fire people like ken jeong and william hung.

 

[libraryismyhome]

Back to the topic, i would do residency anywhere but i would be extremely picky about the areas i can live. it would be good to live in some areas that are very new to me so that i also have the opportunity to broaden my perspective. Living in 20% asian american washington dc and working for the gov for two years certainly changed my perspective than living in small college towns without diversity.

 

[Stagg737]

I've noticed a trend on this forum (and in real life) of how quick Asians are to tear each other down. With other minority groups, there's more of ... solidarity. A hispanic, black, or LBGT person expressing a desire for "diversity" would never be met with scorn from his fellows. This person is obviously an immigrant and would like to mingle with other Asians who share the same values. I see nothing wrong with that. How would it be received if you called out a lesbian yearning for more diversity by saying, "Hah! All you want is more LBGTs! You're a phony!". Obviously we all know what the word diversity has been co-opted to mean concerning minorities.

According to my gay friends not very harshly considering the lesbian you described isn't "yearning for diversity", she's yearning to be around other people like her. Like you said, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be around other people who like and understand one's culture by being a part of it, but that's not diversity. In fact, it's the exact opposite of diversity.

What does any of this have to do with the thread

It doesn't, but once they started having a d*** measuring contest I think the actual topic became irrelevant...

Back to the topic, i feel that living in areas with more asian american population would help me to have more successful private practice cause there are more asian patients and nonasian patients would feel less uncomfortable to see me.

I'm assuming the bolded means you would be more successful because you could relate to them better. If so, I can completely understand that sentiment. I fail to understand why you think non-Asian patients would feel more comfortable seeing you just because they live in an area with more Asian people....

 

[ridethecliche]

Do you have self hate? Its usually common among asian children whose parents belong to working class. My father went to seoul national university and is a professor so i dont hate myself.

Ex) jamie chung, a korean american sellout who wore samurai clothes and call it as her alter ego. This was accepted among white americans so she kept it and blocked asian americans criticizing her on twitter. Her parents belong to working class in san fran btw. Dunno how many french american women would be willing to dress up in nazi military clothes.

Dont pretend that you were never sellout and try to join us when china buys the entire hollywood and start exterminating movies like hangover and fire people like ken jeong and william hung.

The irony is strong with this one.

And with that we have invoked godwin's law.

I want whatever drugs this guy is on.

 

[Ismet]

Let's try to get it back on topic, if that's possible.

 

[ridethecliche]

I registered an account to just reply to this.

I've noticed a trend on this forum (and in real life) of how quick Asians are to tear each other down. With other minority groups, there's more of ... solidarity. A hispanic, black, or LBGT person expressing a desire for "diversity" would never be met with scorn from his fellows. This person is obviously an immigrant and would like to mingle with other Asians who share the same values. I see nothing wrong with that. How would it be received if you called out a lesbian yearning for more diversity by saying, "Hah! All you want is more LBGTs! You're a phony!". Obviously we all know what the word diversity has been co-opted to mean concerning minorities.

I question why your reply was filled with such vitriol and condescension. My guess is that you're using him as a punching bag for your own unresolved issues with Asian immigrant values, but I digress.

I also disagree with your assessment that he has "deep-seated issues". Really, as someone who is Asian yourself I'm honestly shocked at your lack of sympathy. Asian men are stereotyped as effeminate, short, submissive drones regularly by popular culture. They're continually pigeon-holed into archetypes. You don't think these bleed over into prejudices on an individual level? Since you're a medical student, I bet you like data: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/okcupid-race_n_5811840.html. And if you haven't read this, you should: http://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5.

Luckily, I've never felt the degree of alienation that he does. I was born here, but my immigrant story is likely the same as his. My heart breaks when I remember my mother being turned away from job after job because she spoke English with an accent, or when I hear the racism my father still experiences to his day in his job. And I live in a coastal state. Of course my parents would've wanted an Asian community around them. Every immigrant wants to feel less alone.

Great insinuation that Korean women will only be shallowly interested in his status, by the way. Let's disregard the whole shared cultural experience thing and try to take him down another peg, eh? No way could a woman find comfort in sharing cuisine, language, parental expectations, values, or hobbies with him - traits that I'm sure align more closely in two people from Korea than from some other country - right? Nope, she's only after your money! Seriously?

Calling him a dolt for seeking acceptance is counterproductive. What he expresses may not be completely political correct, but is a common sentiment I hear from immigrants, including non-asians - and it comes from an earnest desire to succeed in a new, unfamiliar country.

But I suppose all he has to do is "be more awesome", right? Great counseling there, MSwhatever.

Um. Did you read his e-peen thumbing related to how many girls he has done xyz with, dated 10 girls in 2 weeks, etc etc etc? Really? Wanting to get into a peen measuring contest on a forum devoted to medical school stuff is pretty laughable. I'm calling him out for that, which is pretty much as it should be because it's friggin ridiculous. I called him a dolt for making all sorts of assumptions about me regarding my being born here and my race, which were all completely wrong, not for seeking acceptance.

He's looking for community, not diversity. There's nothing wrong with wanting community, and I've said so in other posts, but call it what it is instead of coopting a term that means something else entirely. Hell, I prefer cities for the same exact reason, i.e. community and diversity. Pretty sure my LGBT, african american, and hispanic friends refer to it as looking for places with a good community, not diversity, although the reason for segregated communities in america is a topic unto itself which has everything to do with racist housing policies... but I digress.

My insinuation that Korean women will be shallow wasn't directed at Korean women in so much as it was directed at his incessant need for status in society. If you flaunt that status and money, you attract a certain 'type' of person. Race has nothing to do with it. You attract people based on the values you project, race notwithstanding. I have absolutely no issues with cultural value systems, though I wonder if wanting to hook up with lots of white women falls under a korean cultural value system as does showing off that 'prowess' on an internet forum.

But yeah, again, please go ahead and misrepresent what I said and attack the strawman. It's oh so more satisfying innit?

If anything, asians being the 'model minority, actually works in favor of having a practice since they're/we're considered to be smarter than other counterparts in this context. I've rarely, if ever, heard of someone getting an asian doctor and going "Oh this person is only here because of affirmative action, I'd rather be treated by a white doctor." Happens all the time with african american and hispanic doctors...

TLDR:
1) Nothing wrong with wanting community, but call it what it is instead of calling it diversity.
2) Starting E-peen measuring contests by talking about how many women you made out with at a club or how you dated a white girl or twenty. Does it still sound like he wants community? I'm glad you're sympathetic to this cause!
3) This has nothing to do with tearing down asians and everything to do with someone who's attitude reeks of misogyny.

Thanks for playing and welcome to SDN. Solid first post. You'll fit in great here.

 

[DokterMom]

My insinuation that Korean women will be shallow wasn't directed at Korean women in so much as it was directed at his incessant need for status in society. If you flaunt that status and money, you attract a certain 'type' of person. Race has nothing to do with it. You attract people based on the values you project, race notwithstanding. I have absolutely no issues with cultural value systems, though I wonder if wanting to hook up with lots of white women falls under a korean cultural value system as does showing off that 'prowess' on an internet forum.

Very, very true -- If what you're 'selling' is money and status, you'll attract people who are looking for that first. And that seems to be ALL this poster is focusing on. Well, that and on equating "dating success" with how many hot white chicks he can score in a bar. A combination of posturing and over-compensating -- and it's not working? Must certainly be racial discrimination 'cause there's no other possible explanation...

 

[ridethecliche]

Very, very true -- If what you're 'selling' is money and status, you'll attract people who are looking for that first. And that seems to be ALL this poster is focusing on. Well, that and on equating "dating success" with how many hot white chicks he can score in a bar. A combination of postering and over-compensating -- and it's not working? Must certainly be racial discrimination 'cause there's no other possible explanation...

Preference is certainly possible though. I think the more educated a region is, the more likely people there are going to be of having a partner of a different race than they are. I've noticed this myself when moving from a metropolitan city to a more industrial area, but I also started med school at the same time so it's hard to determine what the effect of 'time spent looking' is since I'm not as out and about as I used to be.

Anyway, yeah. That posters metrics are pretty skewed.

 

[pd1112]

Was that a rhetorical question? If I am not mistaken, we are in an online forum here where discussion regarding the practice of medicine is encouraged. You should become a moderator so you can close the threads you don't like...

Not rhetorical. Correct, this is an online forum, which is why I was asking out of curiosity. You repeatedly start threads highlighting fear/negativity/corruption in medicine which are usually supported by stats that are incorrect and/or taken out of context. There's usually a few sincere myth-busting replies, but you never seem appeased. Then they inevitably move off topic and the dong ruler comes out for 100+ replies. I have no interest in being a moderator or closing these threads - sometimes I get a kick out of the absurdity that ensues and the "man, that's f***** up" aftertaste. So, my question still stands - do you do it for the lulz or is there something else that you gain?

 

[Wordead]

Um. Did you read his e-peen thumbing related to how many girls he has done xyz with, dated 10 girls in 2 weeks, etc etc etc? Really? Wanting to get into a peen measuring contest on a forum devoted to medical school stuff is pretty laughable. I'm calling him out for that, which is pretty much as it should be because it's friggin ridiculous. I called him a dolt for making all sorts of assumptions about me regarding my being born here and my race, which were all completely wrong, not for seeking acceptance.

He's looking for community, not diversity. There's nothing wrong with wanting community, and I've said so in other posts, but call it what it is instead of coopting a term that means something else entirely. Hell, I prefer cities for the same exact reason, i.e. community and diversity. Pretty sure my LGBT, african american, and hispanic friends refer to it as looking for places with a good community, not diversity, although the reason for segregated communities in america is a topic unto itself which has everything to do with racist housing policies... but I digress.

My insinuation that Korean women will be shallow wasn't directed at Korean women in so much as it was directed at his incessant need for status in society. If you flaunt that status and money, you attract a certain 'type' of person. Race has nothing to do with it. You attract people based on the values you project, race notwithstanding. I have absolutely no issues with cultural value systems, though I wonder if wanting to hook up with lots of white women falls under a korean cultural value system as does showing off that 'prowess' on an internet forum.

But yeah, again, please go ahead and misrepresent what I said and attack the strawman. It's oh so more satisfying innit?

If anything, asians being the 'model minority, actually works in favor of having a practice since they're/we're considered to be smarter than other counterparts in this context. I've rarely, if ever, heard of someone getting an asian doctor and going "Oh this person is only here because of affirmative action, I'd rather be treated by a white doctor." Happens all the time with african american and hispanic doctors...

TLDR:
1) Nothing wrong with wanting community, but call it what it is instead of calling it diversity.
2) Starting E-peen measuring contests by talking about how many women you made out with at a club or how you dated a white girl or twenty. Does it still sound like he wants community? I'm glad you're sympathetic to this cause!
3) This has nothing to do with tearing down asians and everything to do with someone who's attitude reeks of misogyny.

Thanks for playing and welcome to SDN. Solid first post. You'll fit in great here.

Newsflash, all "diversity" simply means more of "X" group, it never means true diversity. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

 

[ridethecliche]

Everytime I hear someone say 'newsflash' all I can think of is zoolander.

 

[Wordead]

Cool story bro

 

[Mass Effect]

But seriously south dakota? That's like being rich in developing countries. Would their spouses want to live there? Would they be willing to send their kids to schools in dakota and end up in community colleges or second tier state schools? Most medical professionals care a lot about their kids education and environment since that's what they learn all the time during doctoring, humanity, and health disparity courses..

What an offensive and narrow-minded thing to say. Have you ever been to South Dakota? I don't know why you assume SD kids all end up in CC or second-tier state schools, but I'd urge you to research things a bit before you post about places you know nothing about.

 

[Mass Effect]

Who said its only for a few years? Sometimes people get stuck there because they get offered a deal they can't really turn down. Then they are stuck in a small town that lacks diversity, lacks good food (no the barfood, burger joint, and subpar sushi place that gets their frozen fish shipped in from hundreds of miles away don't count as good food), and surrounded by fields and farmland. Coming from major cities on the coast my whole life, that does sound like slavery to me. I could otherwise try to brainwash myself into thinking its a content life being in a small town that's mostly white and black people, and keep thinking that good bbq joints make up for lack of food diversity. I could also keep making myself feel better by finding my small city or town on buzzfeed "top 21 places to eat or live", which seem like a scam to get people out of the much better, saturated cities on the coasts.

Clearly, you have no experience with slavery, or else you wouldn't say such things. A deal they can't turn down? Please. They're not victims. They take deals they WANT to take. It's called greed, not victimhood.

 

[Mass Effect]

This was close. But my parents did not sacrifice everything to help get me to place i want to be. My mother is finishing up her pharmacy doctorate degree while being a pharmacist and my dad, as a professor, collaborated with faculty members in one of major engineering schools in us.

Pursuit of higher education runs in my family. And not every phd or md is same. Unfortunately, some programs offer broader network and more resources. And these places are not in south dakota for sure

It's a shame your superior education didn't result in a decent command of English grammar and punctuation.