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Aprilthearab said:
It's not that you lowered your village read on her, it's that you put Cray above her for reasons that (I personally think) aren't as strong, is all. I see where you're coming from but I disagree on the conclusion
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Fair enough. But I’ve always found AM wolfy. So me ever putting AM as my most village is huge. I’ve always read her more wolf than she has actually been
 
Animal Midwife said:
No, I'm confused how Cray could be 100% village when you had just come off saying someone who is the only claim for a N1 no kill night could be lying. If you don't even trust that, I fail to see what Cray could have ever done to get to 100% especially after she just voted someone you claim to believe is a village PR.
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You are taking the 99% and 100% too literal. But as I somewhat said above, I have always read your play style as more wolfy. So for you to be first or second was a major statement.

The fact that I thought cray was village bc she was playing almost the exact same as last game and was village then is not earth shattering to me.

Animal Midwife said:
Nope. This never happened. I assume because I was physically present for every one of your wolf games. So I ask again where you got the percentage idea that an intentional kill skip had happened in a non-Chaos context.
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Again. It has come up before or actually done. And I believe multiple times. I looked up Madagascar and pippy discussed passing on wolf NK to create chaos for village on D1 or D2. I stopped there bc I really don’t have the time to waste looking through all PMs. But I’m fairly certain that is not the only time it’s been discussed if not done. I think we had discussed or done it at end game another time (or maybe that game). Bc we needed a misyeet and NK. If we held off NK then we could manipulate the no NK info/reasons. Then we could use that info to work for misyeet. Then do the NK the following night.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
You are taking the 99% and 100% too literal. But as I somewhat said above, I have always read your play style as more wolfy. So for you to be first or second was a major statement.
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Hm.
BobLoblaw78 said:
The fact that I thought cray was village bc she was playing almost the exact same as last game and was village then is not earth shattering to me.
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I mean, by that argument, Zenge was playing the exact same as last game.
BobLoblaw78 said:
Again. It has come up before or actually done. And I believe multiple times. I looked up Madagascar and pippy discussed passing on wolf NK to create chaos for village on D1 or D2. I stopped there bc I really don’t have the time to waste looking through all PMs. But I’m fairly certain that is not the only time it’s been discussed if not done. I think we had discussed or done it at end game another time (or maybe that game). Bc we needed a misyeet and NK. If we held off NK then we could manipulate the no NK info/reasons. Then we could use that info to work for misyeet. Then do the NK the following night.
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Again, that never actually happened. It was just an empty fantasy. You never skipped a kill in Madagascar or in any other games you've witnessed except for exactly with Chaos. Actions speak louder than tinfoils.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
The fact that I thought cray was village bc she was playing almost the exact same as last game and was village then is not earth shattering to me.
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I think the concern about that is Cray has a very similar tone and play when she's wolfing. She typically does a good job of replicating her village meta so you've got to be careful
Not that it matters now that she's flipped, but it's being applied to your analysis for that reason
 
Animal Midwife said:
Again, that never actually happened. It was just an empty fantasy. You never skipped a kill in Madagascar or in any other games you've witnessed except for exactly with Chaos. Actions speak louder than tinfoils.
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So I can only discuss numbers about stuff that I did? You originally asked me where I got my numbers about NK from if it wasn’t from chaos. I told you that there were multiple. I told you where from. I’m right. It doesn’t matter if it was followed through or not. That is where I got the numbers from. I have life experiences that fall outside your domain. Deal with it

It doesn’t matter if it happened or not. I’ve never taken off in a shuttle but I could calculate the force needed.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
So I can only discuss numbers about stuff that I did? You originally asked me where I got my numbers about NK from if it wasn’t from chaos. I told you that there were multiple. I told you where from. I’m right. It doesn’t matter if it was followed through or not. That is where I got the numbers from. I have life experiences that fall outside your domain. Deal with it

It doesn’t matter if it happened or not. I’ve never taken off in a shuttle but I could calculate the force needed.
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Good to know.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Hm.

I mean, by that argument, Zenge was playing the exact same as last game.

Again, that never actually happened. It was just an empty fantasy. You never skipped a kill in Madagascar or in any other games you've witnessed except for exactly with Chaos. Actions speak louder than tinfoils.
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I'm confused why you're fixated on this. He had a tin-foil. It was a plausible theory. You badgering him about it gives me wolf!AM vibes because its NAI and its starting to feel like you're trying to blow it out of proportion into something AI.
 
Melchizedek said:
I'm confused why you're fixated on this. He had a tin-foil. It was a plausible theory. You badgering him about it gives me wolf!AM vibes because its NAI and its starting to feel like you're trying to blow it out of proportion into something AI.
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Do I need to put you back in the POE?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Who's your scumpack right now?
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Unclear at the moment, I'm consider genny +/- you. I keep going back and forth on dubz with the tie VCA really being the only thing I can give village points to her for. I have to dig deeper into April when I read closer tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if both wolves were on the same wagon or different wagons yesterday.
 
Melchizedek said:
Unclear at the moment, I'm consider genny +/- you. I keep going back and forth on dubz with the tie VCA really being the only thing I can give village points to her for. I have to dig deeper into April when I read closer tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if both wolves were on the same wagon or different wagons yesterday.
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Interesting. Changed your mind about Paws despite her having not checked in since your post?
 
It makes me feel like something's very wrong with my eyes
 
Melchizedek said:
Was he just softing "Serving Ace"? This literally makes no sense, I'd like to know post-game what this nonsense is about.
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I mean maybe he was hoping to avoid a night kill and just felt like too many people had him as village? WZ was pretty hard vouching for him as village. Or he felt that it would draw a kill and it was better a vanillager killed then PR? :shrug:
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Village:
Cray
AM
April
WZ
Mel
Genny
Paws

Unfortunately, I am not seeing much atypical behavior. I am more worried about Genny being wolf than previous cycle. April and AM were less village but not wolfy. Paws I don't really know well enough to say. Mel seems like normal self but I will always have concern there. WZ recent posts and zenge flip makes me feel better about her.
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so I am your most wolf lean, and only because you don't know me "well enough to say." Have you gotten feels from my logic or anything? Or do you only base reads on metas?
 
WildZoo said:
In addition to my earlier points, I didn't like how she was pushing Zenge yesterday, like she knew his claim was fake somehow, or she was hoping to leave the window open for a misyeet there if she thought he was telling the truth
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lame lol, i just was very on the fence about zenge in general, which i posted about in my read list. Why would you discourage me from trying to see if I felt there was an inconsistency there? When you no longer know metas, you actually have to like, you know, try and find inconsistencies.
 
Melchizedek said:
Discussing your OWN read (informed by questioning the subject and your own evaluation) WITH people is good play and literally what helps form the village bloc. You can't just do the latter without first having something to bring to the table and compare. In that game there was a lot of you asking around for why wolf!genny was being voted for but not a whole lot of you doing your own evaluating. Don't want to take up too much thread space discussing other games so I'll debate ww theory with you in the sign up thread if you'd like, but TME is someone who is really good at this. In that game I wolfed, I complimented her for it afterwards. In the last game, TME was the only person I could village read at end game because she's good at doing what I'm talking about.
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Melchizedek said:
Can you point it out? I’m slightly worried you only flipped your read on me because you weren’t actually paying attention and wanted to pocket me once I pointed out that you were potentially not picking up on it.
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It's the teaching thing you do, though this time it was directed at April, who I think is village
 
Animal Midwife said:
Do I need to put you back in the POE?
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I don't know why we need to go at each other. This statement sounds counterproductive to village progress. If you feel like he is POE then do it, but not to silence.

I feel like this is very v/v and wolves are loving it. And we are wasting time on each other. Meanwhile, I feel like wolves are lurking as we are eating our own.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I don't know why we need to go at each other. This statement sounds counterproductive to village progress. If you feel like he is POE then do it, but not to silence.

I feel like this is very v/v and wolves are loving it. And we are wasting time on each other. Meanwhile, I feel like wolves are lurking as we are eating our own.
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I'm not sure why you're suddenly certain he's village, but I never put people into the POE to silence them. I put them in the POE simply to put them in the POE.
 
Melchizedek said:
Unclear at the moment, I'm consider genny +/- you. I keep going back and forth on dubz with the tie VCA really being the only thing I can give village points to her for. I have to dig deeper into April when I read closer tomorrow. I'm trying to decide if both wolves were on the same wagon or different wagons yesterday.
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I would find someone else besides AM that you think is compatible with genny or paws. As much as I would like her to be wolf! Lol (jk AM)
 
Aprilthearab said:
When Zenge hadn't rescinded his claim

I remember seeing Paws saying something about AM misinterpreting her but I honestly glossed over that argument because I wasn't in the right mind space to follow it. I think I understood some of the points both of them were trying to make but I'd need to go back and see if AM's statements were directly related to Paws's or if she was twisting
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And what did you find?
 
JustPaws said:
[brackets] are for clarity of the quote. I thought AM had WZ and Mel as her two most wolfy people, is that incorrect @Animal Midwife ?
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They were near the bottom of my neutrals but it wasn't anywhere near strong enough of a wolf read for me to feel comfortable voting between them.
 
JustPaws said:
I mean maybe he was hoping to avoid a night kill and just felt like too many people had him as village? WZ was pretty hard vouching for him as village. Or he felt that it would draw a kill and it was better a vanillager killed then PR? :shrug:
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I think at this point that most ppl realize this so I will put it out there. But I believe zenge was protected. Fake claimed some intricate PR to prevent further wolf attacks on himself. And to protect the protector's identity.

If I realize it, then I assume most other ppl realize it. Maybe I'm totally wrong though. But my paranoid tinfoil hat makes me wonder if wolfPaws would ask with the hope of protector saying too much and revealing who they are...
 
Melchizedek said:
I'm confused why you're fixated on this. He had a tin-foil. It was a plausible theory. You badgering him about it gives me wolf!AM vibes because its NAI and its starting to feel like you're trying to blow it out of proportion into something AI.
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Do you currently think this is a wolfy fixation or a normal AM fixation?
 
JustPaws said:
so I am your most wolf lean, and only because you don't know me "well enough to say." Have you gotten feels from my logic or anything? Or do you only base reads on metas?
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You were my least neutral person in a sea of neutrals (credit to whoever said it first). Then the above comment. Then I tried to think of who would NK zenge on N1 when he had just been NK'd the previous game on N1. You popped into my head as someone who wouldn't know that and would do it.

I did iso you earlier and you honestly didn't seem that wolfy to me. So the above is all I have on you. Maybe another iso is due.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Interesting. Changed your mind about Paws despite her having not checked in since your post?
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just a reminder that you are the historical frozen wolf. I literally just deleted a gif I made of vulpix singing frozen that i previously sent you because i was like, nah, i don't need that on my phone...
 
JustPaws said:
just a reminder that you are the historical frozen wolf. I literally just deleted a gif I made of vulpix singing frozen that i previously sent you because i was like, nah, i don't need that on my phone...
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I don't understand what this has to do with the quoted post.
 
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