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[JustPaws]

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What motive would he have to fake claim an attempt on his life if wolves would know it wasn't true??? And that would mean that wolves didn't attack anyone if zenge was not attacked.

This perspective honestly sounds like a wolf perspective trying to confuse village. Or to get a village PR to offer up info that exposes them. (I'm wondering if some of your questions are fishing for village PR's)

i just didn't think it all the way through. please quote questions that are me fishing

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am not crazy about you or WZ but am worried that is clouded by the intensity of the current discussions. I still feel good about April, ok about Mel and bob, and so that leaves genny, but she has also not posted very much which in the past was NAI, just makes it hard to interpret. so my POE is you WZ and genny, with reservations on all three, hence why i haven't voted yet

I still don't understanding why you ever started suspecting me but I also don't understand the dubz suspicion.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I also know for a fact it wasn't night cancel, remember?

I don't remember. How do you know?

 

[JustPaws]

I probably should know this, but how do night cancels happen?

usually an item or PR, AM is the better one to ask for all the ways

 

[JustPaws]

I don't remember. How do you know?

and you think im fishing lol

 

[JustPaws]

Then I don't understand why you're continuing to suggest that he would have lied about the attack

Now I've gotta go back to dying under the heavy stress of a final project, this break was already longer than I intended.

because i never deal in absolutes

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't remember. How do you know?

She knows because I know.

 

[JustPaws]

I still don't understanding why you ever started suspecting me but I also don't understand the dubz suspicion.

i feel better about other people

 

[Animal Midwife]

i feel better about other people

That confuses me too.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Official D3 It's Gettin' Hot in Here... Vote Tally

Genny (1) - Bob (c)
Paws (2) - AM, WZ
Bob (1) - April

4/7

Vote close TODAY at 10 PM ET (5.25 hrs)

 

[JustPaws]

That confuses me too.

im not sure why it confuses you if we are both in each others poe. you just did not respond how I expected you to respond when i voted you, and maybe if you are village its just because I didn't realize that you really thought I was wolfy so why would you say the usual responses. I don't know AM, I just don't see you as any more village than hard neutral

 

[JustPaws]

ok the kid should be getting home any minute now so I am out until later unless i sneak a peak at my phone

 

[Animal Midwife]

im not sure why it confuses you if we are both in each others poe. you just did not respond how I expected you to respond when i voted you, and maybe if you are village its just because I didn't realize that you really thought I was wolfy so why would you say the usual responses. I don't know AM, I just don't see you as any more village than hard neutral

I literally said I was suspecting you before you voted me. I don't know if you're having an off game but everything connected so far is extremely suspicious.

 

[JustPaws]

if i missed anyone's direct questions, please quote them again, it gets hard when the page keeps refreshing for new posts

 

[JustPaws]

I literally said I was suspecting you before you voted me. I don't know if you're having an off game but everything connected so far is extremely suspicious.

or i suck at village, have always sucked as village, and also haven't played in forever, but it is what it is if you successfully yeet me today, start thinking about a secondary plan when i flip village

 

[BobLoblaw78]

She knows because I know.

I know. Lol. Jk. But if this is true, I think it bodes well for village except for possible wolf PR's. I think I will know enough after tonight.

 

[Animal Midwife]

or i suck at village, have always sucked as village, and also haven't played in forever, but it is what it is if you successfully yeet me today, start thinking about a secondary plan when i flip village

I distinctly remember you being good at mechanics solving during Smash (around the same time as Afterparty) so I'm discomforted by the continued ignoring of mechanical evidence/arguments.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

the wolfy motivation there would be to be throwing shade at genny if she was village. so if zenge was wolf, i would have read that as a village point to genny. but he was village so no point cuz it makes sense that maybe he was sketched out by her asking

I don't get why you would say this if you are packmates with genny. So if she flips wolf, that gets village points for you. Unless genny has been absentee and you are feeling like you need to bus since you are going at it alone (I think I got this feeling from her as packmate which is why I focus on her as wolf when she doesn't play). I really would like to hear more from genny

you have a lot of faith in him apparently that I have no reason to credit to him. people lie in this game for stupid reasons all the time as village

Ppl don't usually sabotage village if they are village

I thought bob brought that up but maybe only because he and i are currently discussing that?

I quoted this to come back to it (I hate to interrupt someone's probing) but yes, I think this was me and it was already answered.

i just didn't think it all the way through. please quote questions that are me fishing

I will do that. After thinking about it, some may have been april's posts as well.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I agree with Bob though that I'd like to hear more from genny. I feel like her perspective could shine some light on things.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I was not expecting to come back to a whole page and a half of content from the past hour, will give commentary soon

 

[BobLoblaw78]

So still no cray today?

This quote above and two below can be read as subtle wolf attempt to get others to expound upon potential misyeets without direct push of villagers. It can also be a village tactic. But just noting them. It felt like you had more recent examples, I just started noting later ones.

Wait I thought you liked WZ's list with April in village leans.

What's making April's teeth look pointy?

@Zenge142 what made you decide to discuss your weird NK arrow analogy?

Possible fishing

The biggest reason I see is that it's not a one hit ability or they thought that his claim was compatible with them.

Possible fishing for explanation from someone else of PR

I mean maybe he was hoping to avoid a night kill and just felt like too many people had him as village? WZ was pretty hard vouching for him as village. Or he felt that it would draw a kill and it was better a vanillager killed then PR?

but he lied in that post so how do we know he was even targeted?

he lied that he could only get killed in a certain way. he claimed PR but wasn't

The above 3 sound like your subtly seeking further explanation. I had already surmised what happened with zenge and was holding off not to give away village info (and maybe you hadn't figured it out about zenge but... ). So I could read this as wolf surmising as well but wanting someone to reveal too much.

 

[Aprilthearab]

We need help April. What are you thinking about the group?

As of right now I've only caught up to page 21. The issue is that probably half of our roster isn't particularly active or villagey when they do show up. Genny is still a big possibly wolfy question mark, I still think you're wolfy even though you've made a little more sense today (which I don't know what to do with because supposedly wolf!Bob makes more sense than village!Bob), Mel isn't particularly pinging me today but last time I caught him wolfing it was only because he forced me to go back and re-read his posts. In an ideal world, I'd have time to go and do compatibility ISOs because that's what helps me wolf hunt the most, but right now I don't.

And what did you find?

I haven't actually had the time to go back and look, just got out of classes. If I forget, which is likely, please remind me

 

[BobLoblaw78]

What claim? She just said she had a PR, she never said what it was or did anything to confirm it. I'm reading Dubz village but that's not a reason

This was the only thing that could be considered fishing for april. I feel slightly better about her after a brief iso. Plus, despite her voting me I don't think she has pushed me as hard as she would as a wolf.

Mostly neutral on Paws, there are a few points in both directions. I'm trying to figure out how I feel about last night's vote swing off of her. Last second vote swings off of someone always sketch me out, but Dubz was self prezzing and Zenge flipped village, so it might not mean anything.

A reminder to go back and review this vote swing depending on if paws flips wolf.

 

[Aprilthearab]

You are mistaken. After paws and genny are flipped, I have to figure out whether april or mel should be flipped. Hopefully you can help me out with that decision.

Then put ppl in your POE and don't ask them if you need to put them in your POE.

Why do you say this as if you know paws and genny are going to flip village? I don't even know if we have that many days to test flips

 

[Aprilthearab]

This was the only thing that could be considered fishing for april. I feel slightly better about her after a brief iso. Plus, despite her voting me I don't think she has pushed me as hard as she would as a wolf.

If I was fishing, I would have asked Dubz lol. I was wondering if there was a claim on thread that I missed

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I still think you're wolfy even though you've made a little more sense today (which I don't know what to do with because supposedly wolf!Bob makes more sense than village!Bob),

I don't know why this makes me laugh, but it does. I wonder what makes this true. Maybe it is just being certain who is village as a wolf. Maybe I need to channel wolfBob whenever I am village! I think the mods would balk at my NK attempts as a villager!

 

[Melchizedek]

I remember seeing Paws saying something about AM misinterpreting her but I honestly glossed over that argument because I wasn't in the right mind space to follow it. I think I understood some of the points both of them were trying to make but I'd need to go back and see if AM's statements were directly related to Paws's or if she was twisting

Still keeping an eye out for follow up on this.

It's the teaching thing you do, though this time it was directed at April, who I think is village

From my role pm:

I'm waiting for paws to village read me for being pedantic because thats apparently her village tell for me lol

Okay we’re good for now I guess.

Do you currently think this is a wolfy fixation or a normal AM fixation?

nevermind it's in the ****ing same post lol

I almost knee-jerk posted “are you even reading?” 😆






Vote genny

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Why do you say this as if you know paws and genny are going to flip village? I don't even know if we have that many days to test flips

1st scenario: one or both of paws and genny are wolf. And their flip(s) as wolf semiconfirms I'm village. I'm trying to push them both by whatever bargaining means I can muster bc that is what I think helps village win.

2nd scenario: I'm wrong on both and would rather be misyeeted than face the shame on thread of being wrong about zenge/wildzoo/genny/paws. And I def don't want to be around to see a wolf win and knowing that I have been completely fooled by the remaining wolves.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Still keeping an eye out for follow up on this.

I haven't actually had the time to go back and look, just got out of classes. If I forget, which is likely, please remind me

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Official D3 It's Gettin' Hot in Here... Vote Tally

Genny (1) - Bob (c)
Paws (2) - AM, WZ
Bob (1) - April

4/7

Vote close TODAY at 10 PM ET (5.25 hrs)

We really need more votes on the board.

 

[Animal Midwife]

We really need more votes on the board.

It's ironically just Paws and genny missing.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Official D3 It's Gettin' Hot in Here... Vote Tally

Genny (2) - Bob (c), Mel
Paws (2) - AM, WZ
Bob (1) - April

5/7

Missing: @genny @JustPaws

Vote close TODAY at 10 PM ET (4.5 hrs)

 

[Aprilthearab]

So he lied to the wolves (boo hoo) and now I should assume he's playing against his wincon?

Why is this argument still happening, he's flipped village and it's reasonable to assume that he probably lied for one reason or another, and we can go ahead and ponder what that reason was but it's not going to help us catch wolves with the pool of players left. If you think a living player isn't coming to a reasonable assumption about it, fine

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why is this argument still happening, he's flipped village and it's reasonable to assume that he probably lied for one reason or another, and we can go ahead and ponder what that reason was but it's not going to help us catch wolves with the pool of players left. If you think a living player isn't coming to a reasonable assumption about it, fine

Have you read Paws's posts? That's what's this is about.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Have you read Paws's posts? That's what's this is about.

I agree that what he said would be considered lying, doesn't mean we know why so the analysis is subjective, and I don't think paws is going to come to a different conclusion at the end of this argument

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I don't even know if we have that many days to test flips

We are at 7. Yeet/NK get us to 5. Assuming 2 wolves, we are still playing (village- 3/5). Yeet/NK get us to 3. Assuming one of the 2 yeets are a wolf we are still playing (village 2/3). So yeah, if I'm wrong and both flip village we are done. But I believe we may have protector or night cancel to help out. Or another PR to out a wolf. So I believe we will make it to F3... if you guys don't screw it up!!! Lol

I also worry about wolf PR's and it shifting too much in their favor.

BTW, I think the above situation is where passing on a NK helps wolves bc it can build village cred if it is used to their advantage when numbers are odd like this. If they pass on one and make the numbers even it lets them control the final verdict with a NK instead of hoping for the misyeet to win (barring village blocking their final NK). But I am sure you could discuss forever the moving parts and if it is truly advantageous. Please let's not go down this rabbit hole tonight!

 

[Animal Midwife]

I agree that what he said would be considered lying, doesn't mean we know why so the analysis is subjective, and I don't think paws is going to come to a different conclusion at the end of this argument

So you think the stance that he lied about being the night kill, and it was actually someone else who was attacked (but they're hiding this information from the thread for some reason), is useful for gamesolving?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

It's ironically just Paws and genny missing.

I missed mel's vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I missed mel's vote.

It was quiet but it's in his Paws responses.

 

[Aprilthearab]

So you think the stance that he lied about being the night kill, and it was actually someone else who was attacked (but they're hiding this information from the thread for some reason), is useful for gamesolving?

No. I agree that he lied about having a PR, I have no clue if he lied about being the night kill and I wouldn't assume that. I wasn't getting the impression that Paws was saying that assumption could be used to gamesolve, and I don't think the discussion is particularly productive because it's all based on assumptions that we don't know

 

[Animal Midwife]

No. I agree that he lied about having a PR, I have no clue if he lied about being the night kill and I wouldn't assume that. I wasn't getting the impression that Paws was saying that assumption could be used to gamesolve, and I don't think the discussion is particularly productive because it's all based on assumptions that we don't know

I mean, we know Zenge said he was attacked. We know no one else said they were attacked, so I don't see what's ambiguous about that. She's basing her reads on the theory that he definitely lied about being the night kill. Fine, if you didn't believe him before he was confirmed, but I can't humor the idea even a tiny bit now.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I mean, we know Zenge said he was attacked. We know no one else said they were attacked, so I don't see what's ambiguous about that. She's basing her reads on the theory that he definitely lied about being the night kill. Fine, if you didn't believe him before he was confirmed, but I can't humor the idea even a tiny bit now.

Is she actually basing her reads on the theory or was it just part of a theoretical discussion?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Is she actually basing her reads on the theory or was it just part of a theoretical discussion?

@JustPaws so I can have some clarity

 

[JustPaws]

This quote above and two below can be read as subtle wolf attempt to get others to expound upon potential misyeets without direct push of villagers. It can also be a village tactic. But just noting them. It felt like you had more recent examples, I just started noting later ones.





Possible fishing

Possible fishing for explanation from someone else of PR





The above 3 sound like your subtly seeking further explanation. I had already surmised what happened with zenge and was holding off not to give away village info (and maybe you hadn't figured it out about zenge but... ). So I could read this as wolf surmising as well but wanting someone to reveal too much.

I dont know how you got pr fishing from many of these. For example the quote about april looking less like a wolf is me asking genny why her read has changed. I really dont know what to do with this whole post. Like I'm just trying to get people to discuss things

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is she actually basing her reads on the theory or was it just part of a theoretical discussion?

No, they're real. I asked her for her reads separately and she said dubz/me/genny only. genny, I get, but the other two seem in line with the "Zenge lied" theory.

 

[JustPaws]

Okay we’re good for now I guess

After realizing that one example is related to april who I had already said is my most village lean this may just be pocketing so not sure it actually makes me feel better about yiu

 

[JustPaws]

It's ironically just Paws and genny missing.

Ironic because I changed the name to "just?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

If it IS genny and paws, their best bet is to swing the vote at the end by both jumping on my wagon at close. If just one of them is wolf, then the wolf can jump on the other and claim self prez.

 

[JustPaws]

No. I agree that he lied about having a PR, I have no clue if he lied about being the night kill and I wouldn't assume that. I wasn't getting the impression that Paws was saying that assumption could be used to gamesolve, and I don't think the discussion is particularly productive because it's all based on assumptions that we don't know

This is exactly correct

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ironic because I changed the name to "just?

Okay that's a good one.