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Fascinating misinterpretation. The “themself” I mentioned was meant to refer to the patient. I don’t think you have the right to make decisions for the patient if they feel dying slowly of dementia, als, etc over ten years is not how they want to die.
My man, you wrote, "I don’t understand why you have the right to inflict that on their children or loved ones."
Certainly I agree with you here, which is why virtually no religious, moralistic, or cultural text on earth has ever needed to stress the duty to children, since this is innate (although even this is being tested nowadays). Instead, it is filial piety that needs to be stressed since this is where there is often dereliction.When I change my child’s diaper I’m not doing it as a quid pro quo. Are you? That’s pretty messed up. I chose to bring my children into this world. They don’t owe me a thing, it is the greatest joy of my life to care for them.
My statement was rhetorical and not meant as an actual quid pro quo. It was meant to say that we need a cultural change instead of thinking it's normal to have parents just dumped in nursing homes or dying alone.
I have zero doubt about your own sense of honor and love towards your parents. My statements were never meant to be a personal attack on you.I don’t plan to take care of my parents because it’s a duty, but because I love them. I will happily keep them in my home till their dying breaths. And if they tell me they would rather die than continue living as they are, I will respect that too.
Where exactly is the circular argument that you see?Are you capable of making an argument without a circular base (life is sacred, because it’s always sacred, because it was sacred) or a baseless attack on someone’s character?
Do you really think I have made an argument anywhere that "life is sacred because it is sacred"?
Rather, I have simply presented the long-held belief that human life is equal, sacred, and exceptional. The way one reaches this view is another debate altogether. I've already referred above to a good philosophical book on the topic if you're interested.
I think we can agree here that this sort of abuse of elderly parents is indeed deeply disturbing.I think of the patients I saw at the va who lived in an unchanging dementia ward while the families lived off their benefits and never so much as visited.
There are two counter-arguments here. But the second one is indeed that such safeguards will fail and that the march will continue, i.e. slippery slope. That is exactly what we are witnessing. And it's not a surprise, coincidence, or mystery why. The underlying logic cannot sustain the obvious corollary. That is to say, it is very difficult to restrict this option to the subset you may want to limit it to without someone coming along and arguing that you have no solid legal, moral, or philosophical reason to exclude the categories you have excluded.Regardless, the person I would want this to be available to would be the one with capacity to make their own decisions.
It absolutely comes with logistical and other hazards. A few years ago I remember reading on a European country (Denmark? Can’t remember) who passed “right to die” legislation. They naturally found families who had coerced loved ones for an inheritance, or got the demented relative to sign papers etc.
whether it can be practically implemented is a separate question from whether it can be justified.