Should I go into >$70k of debt for a T20 undegrad or go to my state school for free?

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As a transfer student from a Community College, I got into UCLA, Berkeley and USC, but I didn't get much financial aid (apart from some outside scholarships.) I also got into my local state college (Sac State), which I will have to pay nothing to attend. I really don't want to go into this much debt for undergrad, especially when there's still plenty of debt to come. As a transfer student from a Community College (which are looked down upon, I know), do I need to prove myself at a great undergrad, or will it suffice to get a good GPA at my state school?
Thanks in advance for any responses.

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Where do you think you’d be happiest? I agree; debt for undergrad isn’t the best choice especially if you’re considering med school.

the GPA question has been asked many times. My personal opinion is that it’s better to have a 3.9 at your state school than have barely a 3.0 at a T20.
Doing well at your state school (four year institution) will suffice.

Go where you will be happiest. If you go to a school where you’re not happy, it’ll reflect in your motivation and thus your grades...
 
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My opinion is go to Berkeley USC or UCLA. 70k debt is not that much for undergrad these days and the people I met at T20 school really enhanced my world view and challenged me to become more mature and a better individual. And let’s say you didn’t want to do medicine, your degree from a T20 is more valuable in recruiting for other jobs.
 
Fit matters. If I thought I would be much happier at the more expensive option, I would take it. However, finances also matter, especially if you think you may attend medical school after graduation. GPA and MCAT also matter. In fact, they matter more to medical school admissions than does the prestige of your undergraduate institution. At the end of the day, I would be inclined to take the lower cost option unless I really felt that I would not be happy there.
 
In the 2017 AAMC guide thing there was an infographic showing how adcoms valued different parts of the application. Undergraduate Institution might have been the lowest of them all.

Better to get a good GPA and graduate debt-free as long as the education is still good and you're not miserable
 
As a transfer student from a Community College, I got into UCLA, Berkeley and USC, but I didn't get much financial aid (apart from some outside scholarships.) I also got into my local state college (Sac State), which I will have to pay nothing to attend. I really don't want to go into this much debt for undergrad, especially when there's still plenty of debt to come. As a transfer student from a Community College (which are looked down upon, I know), do I need to prove myself at a great undergrad, or will it suffice to get a good GPA at my state school?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
State school all the way.
 
As a transfer student from a Community College, I got into UCLA, Berkeley and USC, but I didn't get much financial aid (apart from some outside scholarships.) I also got into my local state college (Sac State), which I will have to pay nothing to attend. I really don't want to go into this much debt for undergrad, especially when there's still plenty of debt to come. As a transfer student from a Community College (which are looked down upon, I know), do I need to prove myself at a great undergrad, or will it suffice to get a good GPA at my state school?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
State school
 
Thank you for the responses, everybody! I think I would be happier at my state school than I would at any of the other schools I mentioned.

@LabileEmotions Both of your viewpoints are definitely valid. I don't think that I'm going to be aiming for T20 med schools; I'm a CC transfer, so odds are already stacked against me lol. The best med school that I believe I can realistically get into is UCR. I'm not looking to get into a particularly competitive specialty, so hopefully it shouldn't matter too much where I matriculate from.
 
My opinion is go to Berkeley USC or UCLA. 70k debt is not that much for undergrad these days and the people I met at T20 school really enhanced my world view and challenged me to become more mature and a better individual. And let’s say you didn’t want to do medicine, your degree from a T20 is more valuable in recruiting for other jobs.

As someone that went to a state school and regrets it every day, I agree.
 
I'm going to make a controversial suggestion. If you believe you can maintain high grades, go to Berkeley and take on the $70k debt, especially if your ambition is to go to a T20 med school. And I am a little conflicted, but it's probably worth it at UCLA too. I would not take on the debt for USC as it is overrated imo and not worth the premium over Sacremento State.

Let me explain. I just completed this year's cycle and I can say categorically that Berkeley's students and alumni were everywhere on the T20 circuit. Berkeley's premeds are regarded very similarly at top med schools to the very best undergraduate schools' premeds. UCLA students grads/students were a little less prevalent. I met USC students rarely.

Don't let anyone tell you that the reputation of your undergraduate school doesn't matter when it comes to T20 med school admissions. It does. Not to say that schools that have lower rankings aren't represented. They are. Just not at the same high numbers. This is a hard cold fact of life. Perhaps unfair, but a fact nonetheless.

On taking on the debt. When it comes to medical school financial aid, the $70k is likely to be factored in, so it may not be purely added on. View your education as an investment. Berkeley in my opinion is worthy of that investment, and not simply because it will likely position you well for medical school, but it will provide a superior education.

Schools that are lower ranked are less represented because of the quantity and quality of students they tend to produce compared to T20 undergrads. That is the cold hard fact of life. Students from higher ranked schools are typically just better quality applicants and there are much, much more of them.

I go to unranked low-tier undergrad with about 95% acceptance rate. Excluding me, last cycle, EIGHT (8) people from my undergrad applied to med school. The highest MCAT of those 8 was 507. 2 got into med school, 1 of those schools is Ross.

UCLA supplied over 1,000. (https://www.aamc.org/download/493728/data/factstablea2.pdf ). I can't give you hard facts on those 1000+ people, but I would make a strong bet their average stats are probably at least a standard deviation higher. Anecdotally, my SO's school supplies over 800 apps and I have yet to meet someone who applied with us last cycle from there with under a 510.

T20s generally offer much better advising and career preparation. However, anyone with google and who goes to a school with ample research, volunteering, adn EC opportunities could prepare themselves just as well.

Also FWIW, I'm going to T20 med school, at my interview my unranked, low-tier UG was brought up positively in my faculty interview.

Regardless of this, I do think that UG prestige matters, but more more in line with this chart than what most pre-meds think: https://www.wellesley.edu/careereducation/sites/careereducation/files/mcatguide.pdf
 
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i turned down a full scholarship at my state school to attend undergrad at my T10 school. i learned a ton as an academic and became more well-rounded and feel more prepared for med school, but am now 40k in debt. fair warning: being a “top student at a top university” is WAY easier said than done, lol. there are many pre-meds at my school who did not matriculate into T20 med schools.

if i had known i’d say goodbye to CS in undergrad and fall in love w medicine, i’d probably have taken the full scholarship. if your goal is to “just get into med school” then take the money, kill the mcat, and you won’t be held back
 
If you think you can get good MCAT and also have research and volunteership opportunities at Sac State go there. You can try to find research and volunteer opportunities at UC Davis which is close by. I live in Sacramento but I don't know much about Sac State research opportunities. my son did research at UC Davis as a high school student.

Didn't you try for UCD? Berkeley and LA very tough to get 3.7+ GPA and have time to do research and volunteering.
 
The impolitic question is how bright are you. Are you going to be able to distinguish yourself as an excellent, outstanding student and community member at the free school, or do you need the boost of some name recognition?
 
The impolitic question is how bright are you. Are you going to be able to distinguish yourself as an excellent, outstanding student and community member at the free school, or do you need the boost of some name recognition?
Agreed. I think people overemphasize the weight your undergraduate institution has on your application, but only people like Goro, Gonnif, etc. could tell you for certain
 
Something to take in consideration that others haven't touched on is the student body and how they will shape your future life. The people you meet and befriend will influence you immensely throughout your four years of undergrad. I would say there is a stark difference between the majority of students at a T20 vs state school. I think you will find a much larger variety of peers at the T20 who are highly ambitious and motivating vs your state school. Personally, I went to a state school and found it much harder to find like-minded individuals. Basically, think about the average state school student and average T20 student and remember these are the people you will be surrounded by for four years.

"Iron sharpens iron"

Now is this worth the debt? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on your goals.
 
Something to take in consideration that others haven't touched on is the student body and how they will shape your future life. The people you meet and befriend will influence you immensely throughout your four years of undergrad. I would say there is a stark difference between the majority of students at a T20 vs state school. I think you will find a much larger variety of peers at the T20 who are highly ambitious and motivating vs your state school. Personally, I went to a state school and found it much harder to find like-minded individuals. Basically, think about the average state school student and average T20 student and remember these are the people you will be surrounded by for four years.

"Iron sharpens iron"

Now is this worth the debt? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on your goals.

I completely agree with this. 100%.
 
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