Should i go into pharmacy school now

[VA77]

Bill Gatton College of Pharmacy doesn’t seem to require a PCAT based on this ad that ironically showed up on my SDN feed. I’ll leave this here in case you’re interested
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They are slamming ads left and right. Of course, the school was named after the owner of a car dealership so maybe you can test drive a pharmacy career today!

I lived in area and they are doing billboards, newsprint, and anything else and I tell students to keep this as your plan B cause you will always be able to get in. Welcome to community college.

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[mentos]

what is that?
2 faculties looking at a sucker?

Nope it's 3 suckers.

 

[Momus]

3 floaters in my district this week have 0-4 hours. Plus, they just added 3 more new grads about to be licensed in 2 weeks recently. You are pretty much guaranteed no hours whatsoever. The company goal is to pay 0 OTs. They will have no problem doing that at all. Good luck eating rice and beans with your 250k loans forever.

 

[Marzapan]

3 floaters in my district this week have 0-4 hours. Plus, they just added 3 more new grads about to be licensed in 2 weeks recently. You are pretty much guaranteed no hours whatsoever. The company goal is to pay 0 OTs. They will have no problem doing that at all. Good luck eating rice and beans with your 250k loans forever.

Where are these new grads from? UCSD? Chapman? Other schools in LA?

 

[Stella14]

I live in Chicagoland area. Was told that they let go of 17 pharmacists at Loyola Hospital, that they let go of several pharmacists with Walgreens, canceled several new graduate pharmacists contracts and starting offering them $35/hr.

 

[Momus]

Where are these new grads from? UCSD? Chapman? Other schools in LA?

Some UCSD and out of state. Companies don't care where you graduated from...

 

[PromisedNeverland]

Yes you should! Pharmacy is a great profession and there are LOT of opportunities out there currently and in the coming years with provider status and what not.

USC is such a great school that you probably will find a job right away after graduating

:troll:

 

[Marzapan]

Some UCSD and out of state. Companies don't care where you graduated from...

Just wondering if the supposed "home field advantage" is working... guess not.

 

[Sine Cura]

Just be Asian

 

[Ladyg228]

I'm curious to know what OP decided on. Are you attending USC?

~243k for tuition alone. Be warn of the 300-350k debt realistically, this isn't even factoring in living yet. You're paying interest on 60k/year on day 1 of attendance, assuming it's still 5-6%. It will add up real fast!

To give you some perspective on what your situation would look like: my mortgage(s) together is just a little more than your top end and at 3% interest, I'm paying just under $900/month in interest alone! I hope you've done some number crunching before making your decision. Student debt is the worst kind to have. Only way to discharge it either to pay it off or die! I'm not even kidding about that.

 

[mentos]

I'm curious to know what OP decided on. Are you attending USC?

~243k for tuition alone. Be warn of the 300-350k debt realistically, this isn't even factoring in living yet. You're paying interest on 60k/year on day 1 of attendance, assuming it's still 5-6%. It will add up real fast!

To give you some perspective on what your situation would look like: my mortgage(s) together is just a little more than your top end and at 3% interest, I'm paying just under $900/month in interest alone! I hope you've done some number crunching before making your decision. Student debt is the worst kind to have. Only way to discharge it either to pay it off or die! I'm not even kidding about that.

Other options include scamming the taxpayers with PSLF if it's still around or permanently fleeing the country.

 

[casprph]

They are slamming ads left and right. Of course, the school was named after the owner of a car dealership so maybe you can test drive a pharmacy career today!

I lived in area and they are doing billboards, newsprint, and anything else and I tell students to keep this as your plan B cause you will always be able to get in. Welcome to community college.

This is getting absurd. Totally devalues our profession and makes us look like we are a trade school profession with so much advertising. It’s honestly really sad and disappointing to see what the profession is becoming.

 

[Ladyg228]

Other options include scamming the taxpayers with PSLF if it's still around or permanently fleeing the country.

The pharmacist I used to work with attended USC COP, she was making over 130k/year at retail. She relocated back to HK to marry into a rich family and she is STILL paying these loans. Moral of the story: fleeing the country doesn't mean you get rid of them

 

[mentos]

The pharmacist I used to work with attended USC COP, she was making over 130k/year at retail. She relocated back to HK to marry into a rich family and she is STILL paying these loans. Moral of the story: fleeing the country doesn't mean you get rid of them

If she doesn't plan on returning to the US, why does she need to pay them?

 

[Ladyg228]

If she doesn't plan on returning to the US, why does she need to pay them?

She does return to the US to visit family & friends. I never asked for specific reason, she happen to share that she was still paying the loans on her last visit. My best guess would be her parents probably had to co-sign since it's such a large amount?

 

[mentos]

She does return to the US to visit family & friends. I never asked for specific reason, she happen to share that she was still paying the loans on her last visit. My best guess would be her parents probably had to co-sign since it's such a large amount?

Oh that's different then.

 

[casprph]

Oh that's different then.

she should have filed for bankruptcy to get rid of the debt and then marry rich...you lose your license but at least no debt.

 

[nickw2401]

CRNA is what I would have done if I could go back

 

[nickw2401]

USC is one of the most expensive schools out there LMAO.

why would anyone pay that tuition...public schools are already insane.

 

[deleted562805]

They are slamming ads left and right. Of course, the school was named after the owner of a car dealership so maybe you can test drive a pharmacy career today!

I lived in area and they are doing billboards, newsprint, and anything else and I tell students to keep this as your plan B cause you will always be able to get in. Welcome to community college.

Sadly my school an established school is now posting ads on SDN. And no it is not Billy Gatton school of pharmacy. I really thought only Caribbean MD schools post ads on SDN

When will Trump start his own pharmacy school, lol

 

[VA77]

You will probably be seeing this ad next on SDN. Appalachian Pharmacy

 

[casprph]

You will probably be seeing this ad next on SDN. Appalachian Pharmacy

I can’t believe what I just watched...

 

[mentos]

You will probably be seeing this ad next on SDN. Appalachian Pharmacy

What is this 100k advantage? You graduate with 150k in loans and they give you 100k back??

 

[Marzapan]

What is this 100k advantage? You graduate with 150k in loans and they give you 100k back??

Nah, it's something about making $100k 1 year sooner than others. Too bad they don't realize that using their logic, you'd have a $400k advantage by doing CS (not including loans).

 

[mentos]

Nah, it's something about making $100k 1 year sooner than others. Too bad they don't realize that using their logic, you'd have a $400k advantage by doing CS (not including loans).

LoL new grad pharmacists don't even make 100k in 2020.

 

[Marzapan]

LoL new grad pharmacists don't even make 100k in 2020.

A better business model would be for pharmacy schools to copy what the CS boot camps do - make tuition free but collect 30% of your grads' paycheck for the first 4 years of their working careers. Can't find a job? Then your school gets no money. Simple as that.

 

[VA77]

They will say anything to get you to sign those guaranteed loans. Should be arrested for fraud.

 

[mentos]

A better business model would be for pharmacy schools to copy what the CS boot camps do - make tuition free but collect 30% of your grads' paycheck for the first 4 years of their working careers. Can't find a job? Then your school gets no money. Simple as that.

But then pharmacy schools would get no money.

 

[DH1987]

Humans need conflict.

In retail, it's insurance companies, corporate, and the general public. You generally have each other's backs because you are in a trench getting bombarded.

In hospital pharmacy, conflict is found between each other. And the nurses. But they are a impenetrable unionized brick wall that you cannot win against, ever. So even more conflict is internalized in the department. You generally stab each other's backs.

Well I've had my fill of conflict. I just want peace...both internally and externally.

 

[Deja]

The pharmacist I used to work with attended USC COP, she was making over 130k/year at retail. She relocated back to HK to marry into a rich family and she is STILL paying these loans. Moral of the story: fleeing the country doesn't mean you get rid of them

family must not be that rich if they can't pay off "measly" 130k lol

 

[mentos]

family must not be that rich if they can't pay off "measly" 130k lol

People on SDN make that in a month! Seriously, check out the thread about trading.

 

[Donna2121]

I don't recommend unless you love it

 

[Marzapan]

I don't recommend unless you love it

The paradox is that you won't know if you love it unless you're actually in it.

 

[owlegrad]

I seriously do not know how anyone could “love it”. Love your family not your job lol

 

[lord999]

I seriously do not know how anyone could “love it”. Love your family not your job lol

You've met the sort at UF. Would you like to be like them? I consider a couple of them anti-examples in particular of how I want to conduct my life.

 

[mentos]

I don't recommend unless you love it

Nobody loves being a pharmacist quit kidding yourself. You think someone's list of things they love looks like this?

1) family
2) friends
3) travel
4) long walks on the beach
5) working in a pharmacy

 

[PharmtoCS]

I love pharmacy so much that I am willing to:

Move to a town of 1000 because to help the local community

Stay in said town because they really need my help

Bus tables and wash dishes on the side to make enough money to pay for food and rent

Use my remaining time and money to start and volunteer at my MTM clinic. Hope I can get paid for my services but at least I can practice at the top of my license and help people

 

[Marzapan]

I seriously do not know how anyone could “love it”. Love your family not your job lol

No joke, I had a professor who loved her job more than family... she would always complain that she didn't want to pick up her kids from school because it takes away from her being "in the zone" while working in her office. I always wondered why she even got married if she was going to be the career type.

 

[mentos]

No joke, I had a professor who loved her job more than family... she would always complain that she didn't want to pick up her kids from school because it takes away from her being "in the zone" while working in her office. I always wondered why she even got married if she was going to be the career type.

Workaholics are outliers. Most people would rather chill than work.

 

[O.State]

I love pharmacy so much that I am willing to:

Move to a town of 1000 because to help the local community

Stay in said town because they really need my help

Bus tables and wash dishes on the side to make enough money to pay for food and rent

Use my remaining time and money to start and volunteer at my MTM clinic. Hope I can get paid for my services but at least I can practice at the top of my license and help people

everything about this post sounds horrifying, but more power to you

 

[firework]

I know first hand how many out of job bachelor degree pharmacists are eager to go back to school and "upgrade" their education so they can be "competitive". Online pharmacy programs are having historical high application volume.

 

[Marzapan]

I know first hand how many out of job bachelor degree pharmacists are eager to go back to school and "upgrade" their education so they can be "competitive". Online pharmacy programs are having historical high application volume.

It is idiotic for BSPharms to go back and do a PharmD to be competitive. They're better off doing a master's degree in something else to be competitive because the PharmD means absolutely nothing.

 

[Gombrich12]

I know first hand how many out of job bachelor degree pharmacists are eager to go back to school and "upgrade" their education so they can be "competitive". Online pharmacy programs are having historical high application volume.

I don't understand the people fighting to get back into pharmacy unless they are old and near retirement. If you have 20+ years left till retirement you should be trying to get into a more stable field or profession with brighter prospects. Things are only going to get worse for the next 5-10 years and maybe long after that too.

 

[nickw2401]

It is idiotic for BSPharms to go back and do a PharmD to be competitive. They're better off doing a master's degree in something else to be competitive because the PharmD means absolutely nothing.

most BSPharms are probably close to retirement

 

[mentos]

most BSPharms are probably close to retirement

You mean all the ones who graduated in the 90s? They're still in their 40s now.

 

[FoodstampPharmacist]

Based on the amount of debt and BLS the 0% job outlook, HIGHLY NOT recommend. Choose another career path and never look back unless you are truly passionate about patient care AND want to risk the possibility of no job with 250k-350k+ debt.

I would like to update that the BLS is now -3%, which is worse than zero. I think pharmacy is still a good career if you don't mind having a low wage.

 

[TerryTerry]

I would like to update that the BLS is now -3%, which is worse than zero. I think pharmacy is still a good career if you don't mind having a low wage.

No, it`s not a good career.
There won`t be enough jobs even if you are willing to work low wage.

 

[mentos]

I would like to update that the BLS is now -3%, which is worse than zero. I think pharmacy is still a good career if you don't mind having a low wage.

Not all of us live in our car like you.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Just wondering if the supposed "home field advantage" is working... guess not.

Are you talking about Chicago? There are 6 schools of pharmacy in Chicago, there is no home field advantage.

she should have filed for bankruptcy to get rid of the debt and then marry rich...you lose your license but at least no debt.

Pretty sure that college loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

I don't understand the people fighting to get back into pharmacy unless they are old and near retirement. If you have 20+ years left till retirement you should be trying to get into a more stable field or profession with brighter prospects. Things are only going to get worse for the next 5-10 years and maybe long after that too.

If anyone is old and near retirement, why would they want to invest in a PharmD? It's make more sense just to get a minimum wage job, instead of taking on tens of thousands of dollars debt.

 

[FoodstampPharmacist]

No, it`s not a good career.
There won`t be enough jobs even if you are willing to work low wage.

There will ALWAYS be enough jobs for pharmacists if you are willing to work for a low enough wage. You may have to accept that working as a pharmacist will pay less than a city bus driver in the future.