Should I include these hours?

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Good morning,

I volunteered at my local hospital in 2013-2014 for about 100 hours and then i took a break until 2017-current.
Should I include the previous hours or only the newest ones?
Since it's the same location I was thinking just include them as two separate date ranges and describe how the first experience introduced me into medicine etc.

What do you guys think?
 
If the first hours were done during college, list them. If they were during high school, don't.

Would you mind explaining the universal resistance against listing high school clinical experience? Is it because the person who did it probably put it on their undergrad university application, so ADCOMS see it as double dipping?

For the life of me, I don’t understand why having done an activity during high school makes it unvalidated?
 
Would you mind explaining the universal resistance against listing high school clinical experience? Is it because the person who did it probably put it on their undergrad university application, so ADCOMS see it as double dipping?

For the life of me, I don’t understand why having done an activity during high school makes it unvalidated?
There's no rule against it, but it's frowned upon for several reasons.

First, if you really want to be a doctor, you should have done enough in the 3-4 years before applying that you don't have space or the need to fall back on high school activities.

Second, high school stuff happened a long time ago, relatively speaking. That raises a question: how far back should adcoms consider your ECs? If I decided to switch careers into medicine in my early 40s, should adcoms consider my high school activities? Or should I be listing stuff I did twenty years earlier as an undergrad? There has to be some kind of temporal cutoff beyond which your experiences aren't meaningful application-builders. For many adcoms, that cutoff is about 3-4 years.

Third, high schoolers are at greater risk for participating in certain activities because of parental pressure. College-aged people are more likely to participate of their own volition, which makes the activities meaningful.

Fourth, if you want adcoms to consider your high school ECs, then they should also get to weigh your high school GPA. It's only fair. (OK, I was joking on that last point.) (Maybe.)

As a caveat, it's perfectly fair to discuss your high school activities in your personal statement as part of your "How I Chose Medicine" spiel, and unique activities from high school may be worth including if they were continued through college. But most high school activities don't impress adcoms, so you're just wasting valuable application space when you include them.

Also, the word is "invalid".
 
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I don't have a problem going back 5 years. Someone in a gap year (or two) is going back that long, why not someone who is applying as rising college senior.
It is true that you should have enough stuff to fill your 15 slots without dredging up stuff you did in college and never revisited. But if someone wants to list two time periods for volunteering in a facility and one of those time periods ended 4 years ago and the other time period started within the last 15 months, I don't have a problem with that. If someone who graduated HS in 2013 volunteered in 2013-2014 and now in 2017-2018 we'd be okay with that but not if the person graduated HS in 2014?? Doesn't make sense from the "it was a long time ago" standard.

Bottom line: don't rest on your laurels. Show that what you've done has been consistent or has been a series of building blocks with one project or experience leading to others. Don't check a box in HS and figure you've checked that box and are done.
 
I don't have a problem going back 5 years. Someone in a gap year (or two) is going back that long, why not someone who is applying as rising college senior.
It is true that you should have enough stuff to fill your 15 slots without dredging up stuff you did in college and never revisited. But if someone wants to list two time periods for volunteering in a facility and one of those time periods ended 4 years ago and the other time period started within the last 15 months, I don't have a problem with that. If someone who graduated HS in 2013 volunteered in 2013-2014 and now in 2017-2018 we'd be okay with that but not if the person graduated HS in 2014?? Doesn't make sense from the "it was a long time ago" standard.

Bottom line: don't rest on your laurels. Show that what you've done has been consistent or has been a series of building blocks with one project or experience leading to others. Don't check a box in HS and figure you've checked that box and are done.

Yes I completed the first part during my senior year of high school and then took a break and started it again so I would list it under the same activity Just break it into two parts. So it wouldn't be a filler

The first time I did it, it influenced me to go into the medical field. It was my first real exposure to it so that's why I considered listing it
 
Yes I completed the first part during my senior year of high school and then took a break and started it again so I would list it under the same activity Just break it into two parts. So it wouldn't be a filler

The first time I did it, it influenced me to go into the medical field. It was my first real exposure to it so that's why I considered listing it

I don't have a problem with this, particularly when you picked it up again while in college (or later).
 
It is true that you should have enough stuff to fill your 15 slots without dredging up stuff you did in college and never revisited.
I have 10 EC activities and I thought that was a lot, are adcoms really looking for all 15 slots to be filled? If that’s the case maybe I could see myself squeezing 5 hobbies but I honestly thought 10 solid EC was solid
 
I have 10 EC activities and I thought that was a lot, are adcoms really looking for all 15 slots to be filled? If that’s the case maybe I could see myself squeezing 5 hobbies but I honestly thought 10 solid EC was solid
No, there is no expectation that all the slots be used. About 9-10 filled is the average among applicants. Quality wins over quantity, so avoid "fluff."

Side Note: do include a Hobbies entry, but, in general, consider grouping them.
 
No, there is no expectation that all the slots be used. About 9-10 filled is the average among applicants. Quality wins over quantity, so avoid "fluff."

Side Note: do include a Hobbies entry, but, in general, consider grouping them.
That’s what I was thinking, thanks Catalystik!
 
The issue is with someone who fills 9 slots and 6 are things they haven't done since turning 18/gradutating HS. (or worse, all 15 and 9 are from HS). The idea is that you should have 9-11 things that are fairly recent. If you have 12 and one is from HS, no one will accuse you of fluff.
 
That makes sense, thank you for explaining that LizzyM!

Also, I had another quick question🙂, how do adcoms verify hours of community service if you are the president of an organization?
Doesn’t it have an advisor like a professor? If not, my friend listed the previous president before him as the contact, so I’d say do that. If it’s a new org and both don’t apply, is there another chapter or a higher office of the org (national level) you can list?
 
That makes sense, thank you for explaining that LizzyM!

Also, I had another quick question🙂, how do adcoms verify hours of community service if you are the president of an organization?
Frankly, I've never known anyone to care enough about such an activity to worry about verifying the details. Generally, if it sounds too good to be true, you might be asked about it at the interview to see if you can describe a typical week or month and what you did. If you are counting this as community service rather than leadership, you might be questioned if most of your time was spent chairing meetings, preparing agendas, inviting speakers, attending executive meetings.

In my mind, community service is serving members of the community who are unable to help themselves. Leading your peers is leadership. If you spent much of your "community service" time leading your peers, it might be best to break the activity into two distinct and separate parts: service to the community and leadership of peers.
 
I’m not sure if hours count that I have created on my own without the aid of a third organization. For example, feeding a homeless individual and educating him about the material the organization teaches

Ok so let’s try to get the story more organized

1- leadership - making this organization, contact = advisor

2- community service - working in this organization you started, contact = advisor

But for this last thing I quoted, let’s call it 3, it was without the aid of the organization you do service work for in 2?.. but you were teaching the values of that organization in 2? So wouldn’t it just go as part of 2? It wasn’t part of the groups scheduled project in 2, but if you did the same work as you do in 2, put it under 2.

I’m kind of confused on what you did in this last part.. If you don’t include it in 2, you can’t really cite yourself as basically “being nice to others”. Putting it in 2 might make it easier to explain.
 
Since I’ll be educating more than one group of people from more than one relief program, I’m not sure who I can put as my reference in this community service category. Additionally, while I put the hours down in my organization, I’m not sure if hours count that I have created on my own without the aid of a third organization. For example, feeding a homeless individual and educating him about the material the organization teaches

Come back when you've actually done something and we can help you figure out how to spin it. There is a good case to be made for working with an existing organization that is verifiable (even if only by Google search) than doing your own thing and having no formal organization to vouch for you.

When you said "President of an organization" I was figuring an organization that has a structure, by-laws, maybe 501(c)(3) status with the IRS, etc. If this is you doing your own thing, it is going to be much more on the "leadership" side as you attract members and build the organization, than on the community service side, unless you are personally serving as President of an army of one, which is going to look like a nice person helping people one-on-one with no structure which is nice but not what adcoms are generally looking for in the "community service" category.
 
The issue is with someone who fills 9 slots and 6 are things they haven't done since turning 18/gradutating HS. (or worse, all 15 and 9 are from HS). The idea is that you should have 9-11 things that are fairly recent. If you have 12 and one is from HS, no one will accuse you of fluff.

If I have 12-13 solid EC's, would it be looked down upon to add being a hockey and baseball team captain during my senior year of HS?
I have other leadership experience on my app but being a team captain was the most meaningful to my growth / leadership skills.
 
If I have 12-13 solid EC's, would it be looked down upon to add being a hockey and baseball team captain during my senior year of HS?
I have other leadership experience on my app but being a team captain was the most meaningful to my growth / leadership skills.
It does sound kinda weird to me (but I'm no expert)..If you continued these sports in college (at club, intramural or actual college team level), you could list them as hobbies and mention being captains in HS as well as for intramurals.. but then you can't devote the whole activity to leadership, just 1-2 sentences.. Just an idea to throw out there!
 
If I have 12-13 solid EC's, would it be looked down upon to add being a hockey and baseball team captain during my senior year of HS?
I have other leadership experience on my app but being a team captain was the most meaningful to my growth / leadership skills.
Yeah, I think that would be a little weird. If you learned any leadership skills in HS, then you should have use them one way or another in college and that should go on your application. If you were "one and done" in the leadership category as a HS senior, then you haven't really shown leadership.
 
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