Should I prestudy for med school....

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Here's the definitive answer to all the bored premeds twiddling over the summer and debating about whether to prestudy for med school...


Here u go... learn latin or greek or better yet both!!!
 
did someone prestudy in spite of good advice? 🙄
 
Here's the definitive answer to all the bored premeds twiddling over the summer and debating about whether to prestudy for med school...


Here u go... learn latin or greek or better yet both!!!

If you can't recite the contents of the superior mediastinum (anterior to posterior) when they're putting the white coat on your shoulders, you might as well hand it back because you're going to fail.
 
Here's the definitive answer to all the bored premeds twiddling over the summer and debating about whether to prestudy for med school...


Here u go... learn latin or greek or better yet both!!!

So prestudying did not help you? Please post what you felt was deficient so that the rest of us prestudyers will not make your mistakes.

k, thanks
 
So prestudying did not help you? Please post what you felt was deficient so that the rest of us prestudyers will not make your mistakes.

k, thanks


My "prestudying" revolved around sleeping during the day, partying (south beach 😀😀) at night on most days; some light research sprinkled in on other days!! I have no regrets...

Having said this, knowing latin & greek definitively makes anatomy less "foreign-languish"; more intuitive i guess..
 
the sheer volume of material that needs to be learned 1st yr means that any pre-studying would be an effort in futility AT BEST...
 
My pre-studying involved learning all the countries and capitals of the world via Sporcle when I was bored. Plus any sports knowledge possible and an in-depth study of the insides of my eyelids.

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shot out to Cole!
 
Ah the benefits of being Greek... and having studied Latin for 3 years and living in Italy.
 
Here's the definitive answer to all the bored premeds twiddling over the summer and debating about whether to prestudy for med school...


Here u go... learn latin or greek or better yet both!!!

Oh I already have Netters memorized.
 
So prestudying did not help you? Please post what you felt was deficient so that the rest of us prestudyers will not make your mistakes.

k, thanks

He probably made the classic mistake that most pre-studiers find themselves falling prey to: pre-studying

I personally would recommend reading every Snapple Fact ever printed and committing them to memory. You wouldn't believe how many scrapes those can get you out of in medical school.

now THIS is advice
 
If you can't recite the contents of the superior mediastinum (anterior to posterior) when they're putting the white coat on your shoulders, you might as well hand it back because you're going to fail.

This made me chuckle.

Also, pre-studying for anything is pretty much a waste of time in my opinion. You'll learn it in the class. That's what the class is for.
 
This made me chuckle.

Also, pre-studying for anything is pretty much a waste of time in my opinion. You'll learn it in the class. That's what the class is for.

THANKS! What medical school are you attending?
 
THANKS! What medical school are you attending?

Not sure if this is supposed to be a sarcastic knock at the fact that I'm not in med school yet or not...but I'll bite.

I apply next cycle.
 
Sweet. I love the pre-allo forum. And I also remember why I never swing by here anymore. I realize that this thread is tongue in cheek, but there are some folk lurking out there, secretly planning on pre-studying. Don't. Not only will you forget it, but you don't know what you're reading for, why it's clinically relevant (or not), and there is NO POINT in reading Netters, Grant's, Robbins, Harrisons (who reads that anyway?), or any of the other mammoth tomes that folks swear by for MS1 and 2, because you simply do not have the vocabulary, and foundation to make studying such things anything more than an exercise in redundant stupidity, as you will have ample exposure in MS1 and 2 to learn what you need for class and step I.



*beats hasty retreat from the anxiety ridden flame-fest that is pre-allo*
 
Sweet. I love the pre-allo forum. And I also remember why I never swing by here anymore. I realize that this thread is tongue in cheek, but there are some folk lurking out there, secretly planning on pre-studying. Don't. Not only will you forget it, but you don't know what you're reading for, why it's clinically relevant (or not), and there is NO POINT in reading Netters, Grant's, Robbins, Harrisons (who reads that anyway?), or any of the other mammoth tomes that folks swear by for MS1 and 2, because you simply do not have the vocabulary, and foundation to make studying such things anything more than an exercise in redundant stupidity, as you will have ample exposure in MS1 and 2 to learn what you need for class and step I.



*beats hasty retreat from the anxiety ridden flame-fest that is pre-allo*
Your avatar totally is what it should be for that response. :laugh:
 
no....enjoy the time you have before medical school, otherwise you are really going to regret it.

it's honestly quite hilarious that people can't enjoy themselves without worrying their little heads off about medical school.
 
Yes. Obtain every physiology textbook, along with biochem, embryology, genetics, histology, and neuroscience. If you have some time left over after that, throw in some statistics and clinical exp at your local hospital. Remember to deride your friends and family and abuse any pets/children.
 
Sweet. I love the pre-allo forum. And I also remember why I never swing by here anymore. I realize that this thread is tongue in cheek, but there are some folk lurking out there, secretly planning on pre-studying. Don't. Not only will you forget it, but you don't know what you're reading for, why it's clinically relevant (or not), and there is NO POINT in reading Netters, Grant's, Robbins, Harrisons (who reads that anyway?), or any of the other mammoth tomes that folks swear by for MS1 and 2, because you simply do not have the vocabulary, and foundation to make studying such things anything more than an exercise in redundant stupidity, as you will have ample exposure in MS1 and 2 to learn what you need for class and step I.



*beats hasty retreat from the anxiety ridden flame-fest that is pre-allo*

That is a bit much. It is not uncommon for undergrads to take graduate level courses in medical micro, path, virology, embryology, physiology, neuroanatomy, hematology, cellular biology, molecular biology, neurophys, genetics, immunology...(list goes on for some time). Usually some of the above rather than all. I know for a fact that the medical micro book and path book we used while I was an undergrad (taking graduate level courses) has been or is being used at some medical schools currently.

If people want to pre-study let them. In fact, why not encourage them? Give suggestions on the most clear, concise, and relevant materials you have come across. The more exposure to the material the better. Though it probably WILL be fruitless for most, there are some exemplary students who will likely benefit from the review.
 
That is a bit much. It is not uncommon for undergrads to take graduate level courses in medical micro, path, virology, embryology, physiology, neuroanatomy, hematology, cellular biology, molecular biology, neurophys, genetics, immunology...(list goes on for some time). Usually some of the above rather than all. I know for a fact that the medical micro book and path book we used while I was an undergrad (taking graduate level courses) has been or is being used at some medical schools currently.

If people want to pre-study let them. In fact, why not encourage them? Give suggestions on the most clear, concise, and relevant materials you have come across. The more exposure to the material the better. Though it probably WILL be fruitless for most, there are some exemplary students who will likely benefit from the review.

Gunner...kidding..but seriously how many more actual Medical students do you need to tell you pre-studying is fruitless...you are going to be studying your life away over the next couple years, relax and enjoy life and stop worrying about what the best way to pre-study is
 
That is a bit much. It is not uncommon for undergrads to take graduate level courses in medical micro, path, virology, embryology, physiology, neuroanatomy, hematology, cellular biology, molecular biology, neurophys, genetics, immunology...(list goes on for some time). Usually some of the above rather than all. I know for a fact that the medical micro book and path book we used while I was an undergrad (taking graduate level courses) has been or is being used at some medical schools currently.

If people want to pre-study let them. In fact, why not encourage them? Give suggestions on the most clear, concise, and relevant materials you have come across. The more exposure to the material the better. Though it probably WILL be fruitless for most, there are some exemplary students who will likely benefit from the review.

I may agree with you, but nevertheless you are nitpicking details.

You gotta understand no one class in med school is ridiculously hard, the problem is they are all occurring at the same time.

Let me put it this way, the goal of the beginning of M1 year is get into a study routine, its pointless to delay the inevitable.
 
I may agree with you, but nevertheless you are nitpicking details.

You gotta understand no one class in med school is ridiculously hard, the problem is they are all occurring at the same time.

Let me put it this way, the goal of the beginning of M1 year is get into a study routine, its pointless to delay the inevitable.
My school delays the inevitable... we take one class at a time in blocks until midway through second semester M1.
 
Here's the definitive answer to all the bored premeds twiddling over the summer and debating about whether to prestudy for med school...


Here u go... learn latin or greek or better yet both!!!


so after i learn those, what should i study my second week?
 
My school delays the inevitable... we take one class at a time in blocks until midway through second semester M1.

I got you beat, we take one class at a time until 3rd year. Then we finish our systems for second year in March and start a "capstone course" to tie everything together

FYI there was no need for me to pre-study the summer before because I had been pre-studying for the past four years 😀
 
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That is a bit much. It is not uncommon for undergrads to take graduate level courses in medical micro, path, virology, embryology, physiology, neuroanatomy, hematology, cellular biology, molecular biology, neurophys, genetics, immunology...(list goes on for some time). Usually some of the above rather than all. I know for a fact that the medical micro book and path book we used while I was an undergrad (taking graduate level courses) has been or is being used at some medical schools currently.

If people want to pre-study let them. In fact, why not encourage them? Give suggestions on the most clear, concise, and relevant materials you have come across. The more exposure to the material the better. Though it probably WILL be fruitless for most, there are some exemplary students who will likely benefit from the review.

Oh so you're saying whatever minuscule knowledge you gleaned in your wonderful graduate level undergrad class is going to be amazingly helpful in when you actually take the class? They'll cover half of what you covered in a semester in 1 lecture or within the first day and you still have 3-4 more weeks of material that is going to go into more depth than you'll ever give two ****s about. Listen, we've been in your shoes, taking all these "graduate level courses and advanced such and such class" while in undergrad thinking it'll be helpful. AND WE"RE TELLING YOU IT DOESN"T HELP. It's not like we're here all scheming to mislead you and make you fail. We're telling you it doesn't ****ing work because it doesn't ****ing work. You want to prestudy? Go ahead, but when you actually are midway through M1 and in the thick of M2 you're going to be studying till your eyes bleed and the thought of another symptom of AML is going to make you want to vomit you'll think back to this thread and realize how idiotic it was in retrospect.
 
No need to prestudy. Just come well rested, focused, and ready to meet new people.
 
Oh so you're saying whatever minuscule knowledge you gleaned in your wonderful graduate level undergrad class is going to be amazingly helpful in when you actually take the class? They'll cover half of what you covered in a semester in 1 lecture or within the first day and you still have 3-4 more weeks of material that is going to go into more depth than you'll ever give two ****s about. Listen, we've been in your shoes, taking all these "graduate level courses and advanced such and such class" while in undergrad thinking it'll be helpful. AND WE"RE TELLING YOU IT DOESN"T HELP. It's not like we're here all scheming to mislead you and make you fail. We're telling you it doesn't ****ing work because it doesn't ****ing work. You want to prestudy? Go ahead, but when you actually are midway through M1 and in the thick of M2 you're going to be studying till your eyes bleed and the thought of another symptom of AML is going to make you want to vomit you'll think back to this thread and realize how idiotic it was in retrospect.

Totally disagree. My undergrad genetics class covered half of the topics we covered in medical. The undergrad course went into much more detail of the concepts tested in medical school. Granted genetics was only about two weeks in medical school, hey thats two weeks of low stress because I had a solid foundation. Then two weeks after genetics, embryonic development started in medical school. Yet again a course I took during undergrad. While most people didn't, they spent a week studying it. Me, I just sat back saying, "yup sounds familiar, cool another easy week". I'm not saying you have to take a class in undergrad to do well, but certainly reduced my stress level immensely. Heck there were even concepts in genetics I didn't study for on the medical school test because of my solid foundation in undergrad. Resulting in zero questions missed on those topics.
 
Totally disagree. My undergrad genetics class covered half of the topics we covered in medical. The undergrad course went into much more detail of the concepts tested in medical school. Granted genetics was only about two weeks in medical school, hey thats two weeks of low stress because I had a solid foundation. Then two weeks after genetics, embryonic development started in medical school. Yet again a course I took during undergrad. While most people didn't, they spent a week studying it. Me, I just sat back saying, "yup sounds familiar, cool another easy week". I'm not saying you have to take a class in undergrad to do well, but certainly reduced my stress level immensely. Heck there were even concepts in genetics I didn't study for on the medical school test because of my solid foundation in undergrad. Resulting in zero questions missed on those topics.

huh, that's almost bewildering to me. I don't think you can get away with that at my medical school and I've taken all these classes like genetics, developmental bio, immunology, endocrinology and even though it made me familiar with the basic concepts I would probably fail those tests in med school if I simply relied on what I remembered from what they taught in undergrad.
 
huh, that's almost bewildering to me. I don't think you can get away with that at my medical school and I've taken all these classes like genetics, developmental bio, immunology, endocrinology and even though it made me familiar with the basic concepts I would probably fail those tests in med school if I simply relied on what I remembered from what they taught in undergrad.

Mitosis/meiosis and pedigrees were tested extensively in my undergrad. The medical school presentation of those were child's play in comparison. I assume these are the only two classes (maybe histology later) that my statement applies to, but hey I had to take science electives in undergrad so why not take ones that would appear in medical school. That was my thought and it payed off.

Maybe i just dispelled the notion that all US allopathic schools are the same the first two years.
 
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Oh so you're saying whatever minuscule knowledge you gleaned in your wonderful graduate level undergrad class is going to be amazingly helpful in when you actually take the class? They'll cover half of what you covered in a semester in 1 lecture or within the first day and you still have 3-4 more weeks of material that is going to go into more depth than you'll ever give two ****s about. Listen, we've been in your shoes, taking all these "graduate level courses and advanced such and such class" while in undergrad thinking it'll be helpful. AND WE"RE TELLING YOU IT DOESN"T HELP. It's not like we're here all scheming to mislead you and make you fail. We're telling you it doesn't ****ing work because it doesn't ****ing work. You want to prestudy? Go ahead, but when you actually are midway through M1 and in the thick of M2 you're going to be studying till your eyes bleed and the thought of another symptom of AML is going to make you want to vomit you'll think back to this thread and realize how idiotic it was in retrospect.

1. First, I must nitpick a bit. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I took several graduate courses as an undergrad (not undergrad classes that were graduate level, not sure what that would even mean). Though these courses will not equal the difficulty and rigor of medical school courses on the topics covered, to say that familiarity with a subject will not facilitate ease of study later is silly.
2. I'm already a quarter way through Moore's clinical oriented anatomy. Why? Because I hate studying anatomy and I'm trying to find a way to make my study more efficient. To say that familiarity with anatomy will not facilitate ease of study later is silly.
3. I've already read through Molecular Biology of the Cell during undergrad and will probably review my annotated book (i've been told by a prof that this book was once popular in medical schools). To say that familiarity with a subject will not facilitate ease of study later is silly.
4. I've already gotten through Kuby's once imminent (before she died and people stopped updating it) text on immunology as an undergrad and will probably review my annotated book. To say that familiarity with a subject will not facilitate ease of study later is silly.

Look I can go on but I'm done arguing. Also, we're not talking about a whole lot of time here people. Most of these subjects I've already studied and my goal in prestudying is quite simple.

1. Gain familiarity with the "structure" and major concepts of each subject
2. Identify which subjects I find most difficult
(3) make M1 just a little teensy bit easier.

Finally I should mention that I'm not doing anything right now! I'm living in an eastern land "learning the language." (partying) Well that's my story anyways if med schools ask me what I've been doing during the gap year. I already know the language, my parents speak it at home, and I have partied non-stop for the last 2 months. I have one "legacy" acceptance and have already attended half of the interviews I will likely get and 90% of the interviews i would be interested in. Why can't I study a little bit with my free time. My brain feels like its turning to mush from all the loud music, chasing tail, and alcohol. Don't even bother replying I know what i'm doing.
 
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working graveyard shift in the hospital will give me the perfect oppurtunity to study after i get an acceptence! anatomy!
 
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Keep in mind, all of this advice is also not to be taken as an excuse to turn into a neurotic medical student a year before you'll turn into a neurotic medical student. All of the studying options involve you, your family, and evening television. These are things you should do whilst sitting on a couch watching football, or iron chef, or Spongebob if your kids are watching it. These studying concepts are about familiarity, not mastery.

First, there is Biochemistry. I hadn't taken it because it wasn't a pre-req and I'm was a Secondary Education major and former high school teacher. If you have not taken Biochem (one said they had) I would see about grabbing the required Medical Biochem text your school uses and start reading. You're going to be expected to discuss pathways and lectures will start with pathways on day one as though you already have familiarity. Build some familiarity. You don't want your first time pronouncing Phosphofructokinase-1 to be in your first lecture. I wish I had. I bought Lippencott's Review and it was pointless because it was a review text that assumed you already knew. Don't buy any review texts (you will eventually) buy actual text books.

Second, and I am at a loss for how to do this, but it would behoove you to learn about the various research techniques. I so bombed this and am still fuzzy on this, but my roommate, who did research for eight years, got every question correct on that block exam that covered that section.

Third, Seriously begin paying attention to nutrition, which you should anyway. My roommate is drowning in all these B Vitamins, fat solueble, water soluble, Omega Fatty acid, stuff. Familiarity with nutrition will pay off later.

Fourth. If you don't have any clinical experience, get some in a fashion other than shadowing. Take a CNA or an EMT-B class to get some basic medical knowledge and if you're lucky you'll get to see sick people. Regardless of if you are unable to obtain employment, those classes will be simplistic enough but also informative enough to start getting your feet wet. I already knew what a person with Jaundice looks like and I knew what Ascites was because I spent time working in an ER. It helps to have awareness.

Sixth. Start learning about health care issues and the system we will practice in. Health Reform is here to stay in some form or another. It'd behoove you to understand the differences between insurers, payors, providers, and patients. Those are basic fundamentals. In so doing, becoming aware of health issues now will just make it easier to transition in when you really need to know it. Think magazing articles, newspaper articles, etc. There is so much free knowledge out there that you can obtain in 10 minutes on Huffingtonpost, and Drudge by linking around.

Seventh - Anatomy. Find out what the required anatomy text will be and buy it. You might as well buy a Netter's Anatomy Atlas as well. Don't bother reading the text, just become familiar with all of the different pictures and disease states and the various clincial applications throughout the text. again, awareness is the goal here. You don't need to memorize anything, but seeing what sickness looks like so that your first time seeing what ascites in a belly looks like while on your couch relaxing and knowing you got in is a whole lot better than feeling like you just walked into a lecture in Japanese.

Netters is beautiful. The drawings are amazing. Find out what the path of Anatomy is at your school and start at the beginning. Look at the diagrams and become familiar with the relationships and the naming conventions. It wouldn't hurt at all to see how the muscles of the legs and arms attach and what they move. It isn't in a memorize a chart way, but in a look at the picture and see what it might do way. Seeing the complexity in the human body in a nonstressful way can allow you to appreciate it for a bit before you don't have time to appreciate it and you smell like formaldehyde.

This isn't a laundry list. It should not be taken as any form of a syllabus. It's me fishing my experiences from the trash and recylcing them for more than they are worth in hopes that it may help. If you have to triage the list, the biochem will be worth it's weight in gold. I spent more group sessions glossy eyed while my biochemist peers ran circles around the assignments.

Enjoy, flame, or whatever. I care not.

And lastly, and this one everyone should do who goes to a DO school..read The D.O.'s. Being aware of how not friendly the MD world is will keep things in perspective and allow you to understand what is going on when they look down at you. They will.
 
I'm not even reading aything else on this thread, but let me say that prestudying for med school is bound to be a waste of time. 1) you have no idea how you're going to be tested at your individual med school, what resources to use, or the level at which you need to study 2) chances are, you'll forget most of what you "learn" and 3) without much pressure to really master the material by a certain time, you'll probably study very inefficiently and wind up wasting loads of time. Just relax and enjoy this time. Things will get plenty busy soon enough - last thing you want is to start your med school career tired.
 
Every prestudy forum someone mentions Robbins, we didn't even really use it for First Year, I hope I'm not screwed haha.
 
Every prestudy forum someone mentions Robbins, we didn't even really use it for First Year, I hope I'm not screwed haha.

well Robbins is exclusively in path and used more for organ system path rather than general path. pretty sure OSU doesn't do path until second year (though you would know better I'm sure). but definitely buy it for that and use it during your organ system path - it's the best.
 
well Robbins is exclusively in path and used more for organ system path rather than general path. pretty sure OSU doesn't do path until second year (though you would know better I'm sure). but definitely buy it for that and use it during your organ system path - it's the best.

Ok gotcha, we do path first year, but we do organ system 2nd year. I had to use it a few times this year, but no where near memorizing it cover to cover lol
 
Ok gotcha, we do path first year, but we do organ system 2nd year. I had to use it a few times this year, but no where near memorizing it cover to cover lol

oh believe me there is no memorizing cover to cover to be done, haha. it just provides a good framework and has excellent boxes on morphology, but consistently delves way too deep for med school path.
 
The only thing I'm going to be studying before school starts is the best way to build my character in Dragon Age: Origins, because dammitall I'm going to finally finish it once before I matriculate.
 
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