Should I quit my research?

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I've been doing Parkinson's research for two quarters now, and all I've been doing is DNA extractions. Isn't that "basic"? Should I continue with it? The person I'm doing it for is a chair of a major at the graduate department of the university.
 
Ok well I kinda enjoy it.. but someone tell me--is DNA extraction "basic" research work? Yes, I kinda want to get published and do MORE interesting stuff than just DNA extractions. I was hoping by my second quarter I would, but that didn't happen. I guess it was "assumed" that I'd continue extractions.

Is this research "on the right track" for med school "research" requirement (I know its not a requirement, but you know)?
 
If you don't feel like you're learning anything or getting somewhere, then I woulf quit.
 
well, this seem to be a big stumbling block when it come to research. most of the time, undergrads with just do labor. if you want to do some real research, try doing some readings in the field and propose your own little experiment. i'm sure the pi will let you do it.
 
I guess. I'm a bit intimidated tho. And by PI you mean the faculty mentor? We'll see third quarter, I guess.
 
well DNA extraction is basic science, and basic doesn't have a bad connotation here. if you attend lab meetings/journal clubs and are proactive, i'm sure you will get a bigger role in the lab

if you are looking to quit, and still wish to do some sort of research, i would get a new position first before quitting the current one
 
well, this seem to be a big stumbling block when it come to research. most of the time, undergrads with just do labor. if you want to do some real research, try doing some readings in the field and propose your own little experiment. i'm sure the pi will let you do it.

this depends on the PI and the particular expt you propose...my PI is very cautious and shoots down any experiments that may be a bit "premature"...

"dna extraction" to me sounds like technician kind of work. depending on the scope of your project, i wouldn't expect a high authorship on a paper if this is the only thing you do. if you like the lab you should definitely try to get more responsibilities.

proposing experiments wouldn't hurt. you could also be straightforward ask for more responsibilities/intellectual involvement in the project.
 
I think talking to the PI would be best. Tell him/her that you're interested in getting more involved. They often enjoy having students that want to get engaged. If you don't feel comfortable asking that directly, you could instead ask if you could attend some of the other meetings or see if he/she has any papers you could read. I think, just show interest...however you feel comfortable.
 
well, this seem to be a big stumbling block when it come to research. most of the time, undergrads with just do labor. if you want to do some real research, try doing some readings in the field and propose your own little experiment. i'm sure the pi will let you do it.

if you feel like doing more you could always talk to the PI about doing more

I think talking to the PI would be best. Tell him/her that you're interested in getting more involved. They often enjoy having students that want to get engaged. If you don't feel comfortable asking that directly, you could instead ask if you could attend some of the other meetings or see if he/she has any papers you could read. I think, just show interest...however you feel comfortable.

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How much time do you put in? If it's like 5-10 hours per week, your PI might not see you enough to realize you're ready for something more. Have a conversation with him/her and talk about your goals and what you'd like to get out of the work.
 
Like other people have already said, talk to your PI. He/she may really just not know how involved you want to be and/or how much time you have to commit. If you want more responsibility, the best thing to do is ask and show you can handle it.

And also, this goes without saying but if you do leave, make sure you give them advanced notice and do it diplomatically. Don't burn any bridges and all that.
 
So, two quarters into doing bench research, I assume as a student for credit, doing maybe 10-15 hrs a week...and you want to do what? Start writing grants...papers...giving presentations...maybe cure cancer??? What it sounds like your doing is a big part of research. And, two quarters is barely anything, let alone enough time to show the PI that your going to stay in the lab long enough for it to be worth his/her while to train you to do more difficult tasks. While it might be "basic", it is not uncommon for people to do the same thing over and over again, for months or even years, until they get enough samples/data or get the process to work correctly. I spent nearly seven days a week, for almost a year working on getting a tricky PCR and DGGE procedure to work correctly during my graduate studies. Even once I got the procedure to work correctly, I ended up having to use it nearly every day for another 4 or 5 months to collect the actual data...Even today I do protein extractions and Westerns on a daily basis, the tedium is just part of research.

Unless your a graduate student or putting in significant time - meaning, >30 hrs a week (maybe >20 if your awesome) and possibly showing interest in going to graduate school and/or pursuing research long term, there is no way you should expect to have more than a "technician" type job in any type of bench research lab...it just requires too much time/money and as an undergrad, you likely dont have a great understanding of how to write a paper or present research without someone holding your hand through it...most graduate students dont, and are forced to take classes on this stuff. Hell, your lucky you arnt stuck washing dishes for a graduate student. And really, if your PI wanted someone who could write papers, an undergrad would be the last person they would get - thats what Post-Docs and Graduate students are for. And, yeah I have met a few undergrads in my time that were first authors on papers, but they were also in special programs (Howard Hughes, etc) or in a lab for a significant amount of time and put in their dish washing time as well.

As someone who has been in research for the past ~7 years, my suggestions would be this:
1) Buck up and continue doing your extractions because at some point, if your still in the lab, you will have done enough extractions and the next step of the process will need to be carried out...which will likely be your next job. If a paper does come out of it, and you were the main one doing the bench work, your PI will likely put your name on it if he/she isnt an ass. But, dont expect papers to just come flying out of the work you do, especially in academic research (where the professors have responsibilities other than research) and especially a field like Parkinson's disease, where there is a lot of researcher going on, and funding is limited. In the field I am in, a fairly popular research topic - cancer drugs - my lab (me and the PI) probably had >10 projects going on throughout the year, between the two of us, and both of us work full time (~50 hrs/week). Of those projects, the majority didnt produce any significant findings or hit major dead ends, hence we only put out 3 papers for the entire year, and one wasnt even really a paper, just a note.

2) If there are graduate students in the lab, then tell them you want to get a better idea of how research works outside of the lab. Ask them if you can work directly with them, read papers they read and see if they will show you how they analyze the data they get..etc. Learn how they find papers etc. If there isnt a graduate student in your lab, then ask your PI if you can read some of the papers he has; I would start with reviews specifically. Pull the articles that the review's cite, then pull the articles that are cited there-in..etc. Once you have read a decent amount of the literature, you'll know you have read enough when you can explain what your research topic is and actually cite papers to people while you explain it, start asking your PI questions...such as could Protein XX be involved with this process? This is how pilot studies are developed...And, it shows that you have a decent amount of knowledge of the topic, which may show the PI that you can handle presenting a poster or something.

3) If you enjoy what your doing, then stick with it...if not, then get out because what your doing makes up a large portion of research, and it wont be worth your while to continue.

Sorry if I come across as harsh in some of this...I admit after being a graduate student and spending a lot of my time teaching undergrads how to do research, who then decide to quit the following semester because their idea of research was curing caner and not having to do tedious, boring bench work...despite me being there beside them, doing the same thing over and over again...that it is frustrating to hear people ask if they should quit their lab because they dont think they are doing anything significant. What you are doing is part of research and you shouldnt go in to a lab as an undergrad expecting to get anything but experience out of it. If you happen to get your name on a publication or poster, you should be forever grateful to your PI/grad. student, because as an undergrad your generally not in a position to put in enough time to truly earn authorship.
 
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I AM grateful. But get this--my friend who started doing research at another lab for 1 quarter is already workin' a symposium for some conference and getting published.... I know I have to work hard in my lab... Like I said, I'll wait tillnext quarter.
 
So, two quarters into doing bench research, I assume as a student for credit, doing maybe 10-15 hrs a week...and you want to do what? Start writing grants...papers...giving presentations...maybe cure cancer??? What it sounds like your doing is a big part of research. And, two quarters is barely anything, let alone enough time to show the PI that your going to stay in the lab long enough for it to be worth his/her while to train you to do more difficult tasks. While it might be "basic", it is not uncommon for people to do the same thing over and over again, for months or even years, until they get enough samples/data or get the process to work correctly. I spent nearly seven days a week, for almost a year working on getting a tricky PCR and DGGE procedure to work correctly during my graduate studies. Even once I got the procedure to work correctly, I ended up having to use it nearly every day for another 4 or 5 months to collect the actual data...Even today I do protein extractions and Westerns on a daily basis, the tedium is just part of research.

I agree with you. I do think if the OP gets this feeling that there's no room for growth after a reasonable amount of time, he/she probably isn't wrong to shop around. I'm a bit biased because my PI gave undergraduates relative autonomy fairly early on, but I do know that many other PIs are not as willing.

I think you give really wise advice about how to move up. I felt like I wanted to do more, and with the PI's backing, I spoke with a graduate student who needed coding help with a project, and after a few weeks they were satisfied with my work and allowed me to help with a sizable part of the project in addition to my other work.
 
I've been doing Parkinson's research for two quarters now, and all I've been doing is DNA extractions. Isn't that "basic"? Should I continue with it? The person I'm doing it for is a chair of a major at the graduate department of the university.



A lot of times it takes some initiative on your part if you want to move on to bigger and better things. Ask if there are any other aspects of the project you can work on, maybe even see if you can take over a small portion of it. Ask for papers to familiarize yourself with the subject.

In general, you're not going to get a lot handed to you in research if you're an undergraduate unless you demonstrate interest and understanding of the project(s).
 
This is why you do 40 hours / week summer research programs. Those actually accomplish a little something. Basic science research by its nature (culturing, etc.) require a long time commitment for things to happen.
 
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