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White (Egyptian)
cGPA: 3.64
sGPA: 3.52
MCAT: 517
Community Service: 1000 or so hours total
Paid Employment: 3000 hours or so
Research: 1 Year at M.D. Anderson, 400 hours, no publications

In-state Texas Resident, applied to all TX MD and DO schools

OOS List:
  • Drexel ()
  • Rush ()
  • Tulane ()
  • Baylor ()
  • UMKC ()
  • Wright State ()
  • Rosalind Franklin ()
  • Frank H. Netter ()
  • Boston U ()
  • Albany ()
  • Howard ()
  • Loyola ()
  • Florida Atlantic U. (
  • UNT/TCU ()
  • UVM Larner ()
  • Virginia Tech Carillion ()
  • Morehouse ()

Just finished my OOS Secondaries and IS Secondaries have been turned in since early July. Haven't gotten any IS Interview Invites yet so I am wondering if I should be on the safe side and just apply to some OOS DO schools or if my OOS list/stats are enough to potentially net me a spot in state.
 
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I've been told a lot by many people that I'm fine and as long as I don't bomb interviews I have a fair chance, but watching all my other IS Texas applicants get interviews while im just waiting around is making me a bit antsy.

I don't mind the gap year, I mind repeating this application process.
 
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Howard and Morehouse are HBCU’s and preferentially accept minority, especially AA applicants. Your OP states you are white. UMKC is a state school with its own linked program, would be very surprised if you got an II there. Florida Atlantic takes mostly IS applicants.

it not too late, I would add other schools to replace those four.
 
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You should receive several interviews from your Texas schools. OOS MD schools interview few Texas residents with no connection to the school or state since they know from years of experience that Texas residents will attend a Texas school. TCU-UNT,Baylor and Tulane are realistic but not the others. If no interviews by November add more DO schools and consider these:
KCU-COM
ATSU-KCOM
DMU-COM
AZCOM
MU-COM
PCOM
LECOM (all schools)
CUSOM
 

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I've been told a lot by many people that I'm fine and as long as I don't bomb interviews I have a fair chance, but watching all my other IS Texas applicants get interviews while im just waiting around is making me a bit antsy.

I don't mind the gap year, I mind repeating this application process.
Patience is a virtue; the need for instant gratification is not.

Schools stratify the apps as they come in and don't send out secondaries or IIs merely in chronological order.

Secondaries are often a tax on the hopelessly naïve, if not pathologically optimistic.

Not directed at you, OP, but SDNers are advised to not to have the mindset of “I sent in my apps; where are my IIs???!!!”
 
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cGPA: 3.64
sGPA: 3.52
MCAT: 517
Community Service: 1000 or so hours total
Paid Employment: 3000 hours or so
Research: 1 Year at M.D. Anderson, 400 hours, no publications

In-state Texas Resident, applied to all TX MD and DO schools



Just finished my OOS Secondaries and IS Secondaries have been turned in since early July. Haven't gotten any IS Interview Invites yet so I am wondering if I should be on the safe side and just apply to some OOS DO schools or if my OOS list/stats are enough to potentially net me a spot in state.
1) having your application complete "early" in the cycle only guarantees that it will be fully reviewed before the end of the cycle
2) Applications are not evaluated, reviewed, or invited for interviews in chronological order. They are prioritized based on metrics, mission, and likely matriculation
3) you have below-average metrics for both cGPA and sGPA and are a Texas resident. Both of these make you lower priority for out of state schools
4) most admissions committees are only getting up to full speed now and it can take 4-16 weeks (1-4 months) to have your application fully reviewed.
5) Interview invitees will continue into the new year


********AMCAS 2021 Timeline Summary (post count #031)***********

Because of COVID-19 and the very dynamic changes this will bring throughout society for this year (and likely for the next 2-3 years if pandemics of the 20th century would indicate), questions will come up again and again about online prereqs, P/F courses, MCAT prep and testing, volunteering, shadowing, Physician LOR, lab requirements, virtual interviews, etc. However, there is no definitive answer as no one knows which schools will act in which ways, nor how the upcoming cycle will happen. However, as medical schools are on the front lines of this both in treating patients as well as setting appropriate behavior for community public health, it would seem reasonable that most medical schools will take into consideration over the next few years at least. In this time of crisis, we all must learn to live with uncertainty and ambiguity about the future.
-Applicants should be filling out the AMCAS 2021.
-AMCAS provides dozens of “How to” tutorials and videos, most of which are linked in my signature. Applicants should download the free 2021 AMCAS Applicant Guide when available. It should be considered the study guide on how to fill out AMCAS.
-Applicants should have the MSAR, which should be considered the textbook for the application process
-Applying to medical school is a full-time job from May until through September and then on call for the rest of the cycle. There is no general rule across schools when they may evaluate and review your application, possibly invite you for an interview, when the interview maybe, when a decision may be reached, or when you may get off a WL. For some of you, the cycle will run until August 2021.
-AMCAS May 4, 2020, the Primary application opens up. Can send formal requests for transcripts from your schools and letter requests to your letter writers.
-AMCAS May 28, 2020, Completed primary applications with all ECs, PS, and course information can be submitted.
-You enter the verification queue (“time to verify”) only when both completed primary application and all transcripts have been received.
-AMCAS does not, repeat, does not verify LOR or MCAT score. Your primary application will be verified and transmitted regardless of LOR or MCAT score status
-AMCAS June 26, 2020 (delayed to due Corona/COVID-19), JULY 10 begins transmission verified applications (though some schools have secondaries sent to contact info upon submission to AMCAS)
-Verification peak is about August 1st and takes 20 days
-Most Primary Apps are transmitted early July thru early September, though this year it will likely move slower
-Secondaries timelines can vary widely as to when to they are sent out from almost immediately upon submissions to 3 months, though most are in the range 1-3 weeks after transmission.
-Letters via AMCAS are processed/transmitted separately from primary
-Letters can be added after primary has been submitted and transmitted and are mostly not needed until secondary reviews at the earliest.

-While applications are transmitted at end of June, July 10, most schools do not start any processing until at least mid-July at the earliest; even then, most dont get up to full speed until mid-August to early September.
-There are usually 3 main phases in processing application
----1) Initial Screening/Evaluation: A hybrid of automatic GPA/MCAT screen plus human for "quick review" of application. Used to for general priority and, in some cases, which team/subcommittee gets application. At some schools, preset criteria or informal policy can lead to II at this stage.
----2) Full Evaluation: This is where the evaluator/reader/team/subcommittee will fully evaluate all sections of primary, secondary, and LOR and generally summarize in broad categories or point system. This essentially becomes your priority for adcom review and II. This function may be split up among several evaluators and may go to a team or subcommittee for II decision. Application are not typically evaluated until complete with Primary, Secondary, MCAT, and LOR
----3) Full adcom: this is where your fully evaluated application is reviewed and decided for interview invite After interview Adcom will vote on admission (acceptance or alternate WL)
-Application and candidate evaluations timeline varies widely by the school may not be done in a linear, chronological order. EDP, High achievers, URM, family of alumni, feeder schools, associated UG programs, linked postbaccs, and other factor may push an app forward in the process.
-Most adcoms dont start meeting for review of evaluated applicants until at least mid-August, more likely September, though some reviews may be done earlier for groups mentioned above. Evaluation may start almost immediately at some schools.
-Schools receive 5,000-10,000 application but can only evaluate several hundred applications a week. Therefore, it can take anywhere from 4-16 weeks (1-4 months) or more to be evaluated, reviewed and invited for interview after your application is complete.
-Schools must reduce several thousand applications to several hundred interviews.
At least 80% of applicants at any individual school must be rejected pre-interview.
-There are about 900,000 individual applications across 150+ medical schools with about 150,000 interview slots maximum. That means on average of 16 submitted applications only 3 will get an II.
-Applicants should check each applicant portal daily until application is marked complete, under review, or similar. After that, you should check applicant portal 2 to 3 times as week as schools may invite you for interview solely by portal; some schools do not send email for interview invite.

-Medical Schools are deciding on Acceptance. All applicants start as “Unaccepted” or rejected. With 60% of applicants not getting a seat, all applicants must assume that may be reapplicants and start enhancing their record from the moment they submit AMCAS.
-Medical schools have no requirement to inform you of any decision other than an interview invite, an acceptance, or alternate/WL position. Some schools will never send out any rejection or other notice on your application as all start as “rejected”.
-Timing of early, on time or late refers to any impact that “lateness” may have on your chances. Being early or on time does not improve your chances but rather it means that timing will not be a factor in lowering your chances.
-Submitting Primary Application June is Early, July Medium, August Late
-Having Primary verified and transmitted to school by middle of August is normal speed
-Having Secondary and all LORs complete to school by Labor Day Mid-to-Late September (due to Corona/COVID-19) is likely early for all applicants at all schools, even highly competitive programs.
-Late September to Early October is about on time for solid candidates at most programs
-End of October is about late for almost all programs
-After that point you will generally start getting impacted by the number of applications submitted and the finite number of essentially rolling interview slots. Seats given by rolling admissions is not a big factor in this. These aren’t absolute dates nor is it a fixed timeline. It should be used as a guideline
-Medical schools focus on evaluation and pre-II review up until approximately Thanksgiving. At that time they need to start transitioning to post-interview acceptance decision. However, with the increasing number of applications per school, some fraction of interview invites will continue into the new year.
-Timing matters to getting your application in. Once you are in and evaluated, timing has little impact on your chances. It is a myth that schools fill all the seats early and then just have alternate slots.
-When you get invited for an interview is a better indicator of your interest of the school rather than when the actual interview is. Stronger candidates typically invited earlier.
-Medical schools cannot inform regular MD candidates of admission (acceptance or alternate) prior to Oct 15th. However, medical school can inform applicants of any other decision, such as rejection or hold, at any time from initial primary submission until past end of cycle. Do note that the only formal vote an admission committee need to make is for admission (acceptance or alternate/WL) and that is the only decision they must inform you about. A large fraction of applicants will never get a formal rejection; they will simply never get II or acceptance.

Getting primary in on time does matter because of all the other items that follow it. But applicants often see the beginning and not understanding how it flows from there. Additionally, how each school then opens a file, reviews them on GPA, MCAT, and other factors, and what order they wind up in a queue has less to do with when the primary arrives then when the secondary is completed and received. Since the majority of schools, I dare say, send out pre-transmission, unscreened, or minimal cut off screened secondaries, this is probably a larger factor in where you wind up in the queue for 1) reading an application and 2) decision on interview invite. As I have said previously, and will undoubtedly say dozens of time during this 2021 application cycle (see count above) review of apps is not simply done in a linear chronological order. High achievers, URM, family of alumni, feeder schools, associated UG programs, linked postbaccs, and other factor may push an app forward in the process.
 
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Howard and Morehouse are HBCU’s and preferentially accept minority, especially AA applicants. Your OP states you are white. UMKC is a state school with its own linked program, would be very surprised if you got an II there. Florida Atlantic takes mostly IS applicants.

it not too late, I would add other schools to replace those four.
Sounds good I will look into other schools as well
 

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I wouldn't worry too much. I had lower stats than you (slightly lower MCAT, lower GPA), and didn't get my first interview from a Texas school until around this time last year. It's still incredibly early. For what it's worth, I ended up with 5 interviews from only Texas schools (4 MD, 1 DO). I applied to around 8 AMCAS schools outside of Texas and had no luck with any of them. I'd be surprised if you didn't get at least 2 interviews from Texas schools
 

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