Should MDs take a pay cut to make healthcare more affordable?

[Gandyy]

No of course they dont call them idiots...

Sarcasm and hyperbole do not travel well over the internet. Also you put it in quotes

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[SSSMDt]

Sarcasm and hyperbole do not travel well over the internet. Also you put it in quotes

I apologize

 

[Gandyy]

I apologize

No need to apologize. You dont owe me an apology.

It was just a very minor misunderstanding that doesnt matter.

 

[Gandyy]

I'm disappointed with your answer. Blaming the patients. Why did you become a doctor? (sorry if I misinterpreted) Like I said before, Canada and European countries provide the same quality of care American doctors do, but healthcare and capitalism aren't mixed and they aren't bankrupting their population with medical bills, pushing ludicrously expensive drugs on their patients or denying them medically necessary scans because the insurance company doesn't exist to say no.

Oh my goodness. You are so blatantly ignorant it hurts my soul.

 

[WingedOx]

Someone pointed out that it's not MD salaries that are causing the insane cost issues in our healthcare system, right?

ok, good.

 

[Gandyy]

Someone pointed out that it's not MD salaries that are causing the insane cost issues in our healthcare system, right?

ok, good.

multiple times. OP is insistent that if you are not a physician with idealistic pre-med superiority complex, then you are blaming the patients and have questionable intentions for being a doctor.

I want to puke.

 

[deleted480308]

multiple times. OP is insistent that if you are not a physician with idealistic pre-med superiority complex, then you are blaming the patients and have questionable intentions for being a doctor.

I want to puke.

one of my intentions is to make a lot more money doing this than I was doing other things

 

[StudyLater]

@Crayola227 Motherf*cking trifecta! That was beautiful, man. Ty for your input though seriously.

Also you are incorrect - Doctors in Canada get paid well - perhaps not as much as in the US, but I'd say easily at least 75% that of US docs.

It's actually like exactly that. Their wages are still pretty awesome, actually.

Especially as hospitals, drug companies, and device manufacturers rape the system for all of they can, I'm not particularly inclined to support a decrease in my pay while having a mortgage in the form of student loans hanging over my head.

Well, you sink 6 figures into your education. These guys sink 7-8 figures into their research, production, federal approvals/licensing, advertising, operational costs, etc.

With that said, both of you will be making a sh*tload going forward unless a lot of politicians say otherwise.

 

[Gandyy]

one of my intentions is to make a lot more money doing this than I was doing other things

ok?

 

[deleted480308]

ok?

just pointing out the silliness of OP accusing us of having intentions to make money......yep....guilty.....next point, OP?

 

[Dr.Sticks]

The problem is insurance companies...
Health cost is inflated because insurance companies only want to be a tiny fraction of it..

 

[Gandyy]

just pointing out the silliness of OP accusing us of having intentions to make money......yep....guilty.....next point, OP?

ah. Well, thats not even my main problem with his posts. Did you see what his or her thought process was when they responded to the attending physician's post on the first page. The thought process and naivete is killing me.

 

[StudyLater]

just pointing out the silliness of OP accusing us of having intentions to make money......yep....guilty.....next point, OP?

You monster. How do you sleep at night???? (you probably don't, as you are a med student)

 

[deleted480308]

ah. Well, thats not even my main problem with his posts. Did you see what his or her thought process was when they responded to the attending physician's post on the first page. The thought process and naivete is killing me.

Agreed, OP is not good at economics or logic

 

[StudyLater]

Agreed, OP is not good at economics or logic

But OP wants to help people.

The only problem is OP does not know how to do so properly and is jumping to ill-informed conclusions.

@guest794 have you thought about politics as a second career option?

 

[Gandyy]

But OP wants to help people.

The only problem is OP does not know how to do so properly and is jumping to ill-informed conclusions.

@guest794 have you thought about politics as a second career option?

We all want to help people.

Difference is some of us have a realistic view on US Healthcare, and some of us want to continue living in a fake utopia.

 

[deleted480308]

But OP wants to help people.

The only problem is OP does not know how to do so properly and is jumping to ill-informed conclusions.

@guest794 have you thought about politics as a second career option?

OP doesn't want to help people, OP want to control people.

When I want to feed a homeless guy outside burger king, I go in and buy them a burger. What I don't do is walk in and take money out of some ladies purse to give to him with one hand while patting myself on the back with the other.

 

[Gandyy]

OP doesn't want to help people, OP want to control people.

When I want to feed a homeless guy outside burger king, I go in and buy them a burger. What I don't do is walk in and take money out of some ladies purse to give to him with one hand while patting myself on the back with the other.

A little extreme, but I see what you are saying. Yea, too many pre-meds like OP nowadays.

 

[Dr.Sticks]

You know what will help people?
Concierge medicine
Family Practices that adopt that model are more affordable
http://health.usnews.com/health-new...don-insurance-for-blue-collar-concierge-model

 

[deleted480308]

A little extreme, but I see what you are saying. Yea, too many pre-meds like OP nowadays.

but it's not extreme....that's literally what any supporting any government enforced welfare program is, "I think this is important enough that you have to fund my charitable desires"

 

[Gandyy]

but it's not extreme....that's literally what any supporting any government enforced welfare program is, "I think this is important enough that you have to fund my charitable desires"

I've seen you do this argument with @efle for 10 straight thread pages. I'm not about to go into this with you lol

 

[Dr.Sticks]

OP doesn't want to help people, OP want to control people.

When I want to feed a homeless guy outside burger king, I go in and buy them a burger. What I don't do is walk in and take money out of some ladies purse to give to him with one hand while patting myself on the back with the other.

I agree 100% with you
If a doctor wants to help people the doctor can donate his/her time
Or give ridiculously low rates..

 

[jqueb29]

But OP wants to help people.

The only problem is OP does not know how to do so properly and is jumping to ill-informed conclusions.

@guest794 have you thought about politics as a second career option?

OP has no understanding of economic logic or the healthcare industry. OP would be a great candidate for the Democratic nomination.

 

[Gandyy]

The thing is PCP's already get so screwed over in this process as it is that it would be a complete outrage to lower their compensation because of greedy insurance/pharmaceutical/legal companies and hospital administrations.


Specialists I have mixed opinions on, but still lowering physician compensation is not the way. It will only affect patient's in the short term slightly, and seriously piss off docs in the long term. In the long term patient's will be just as worse off or very very marginally better off.

 

[StudyLater]

When I want to feed a homeless guy outside burger king, I go in and buy them a burger. What I don't do is walk in and take money out of some ladies purse to give to him with one hand while patting myself on the back with the other.

Sorry but this just shows a certain level of ignorance I am not comfortable with.

What if said lady is super-rich and well-fed while the homeless man is starving? You still think it's wrong?

 

[deleted480308]

Sorry but this just shows a certain level of ignorance I am not comfortable with.

What if said lady is super-rich and well-fed while the homeless man is starving? You still think it's wrong?

to rob her? it's absolutely wrong

 

[StudyLater]

Docs are already extremely pissed off as it is. What is there to lose?

 

[StudyLater]

to rob her? it's absolutely wrong

She robbed the homeless man to begin with. The wealth is being returned to someone who shouldn't have been without it in the first place.

 

[Gandyy]

Docs are already extremely pissed off as it is. What is their to lose?

There is a certain point where someone will quit their job no matter what their circumstances or motivations.

 

[deleted480308]

She robbed the homeless man to begin with. The wealth is being returned to someone who shouldn't have been without it in the first place.

She didn't rob him just because she has more...you are wrong

 

[StudyLater]

She didn't rob him just because she has more...you are wrong

Then how did she obtain the money? She took more than she needed. This is theft.

 

[StudyLater]

There is a certain point where someone will quit their job no matter what their circumstances or motivations.

No no no. They're trapped once the debt mounts.

Unless you happen to have the looks to be a trophy wife/husband, you work for us now.

 

[deleted480308]

Then how did she obtain the money? She took more than she needed. This is theft.

Took? from the homeless man? How did she get rich taking from the homeless man?

 

[Gandyy]

Then how did she obtain the money? She took more than she needed. This is theft.

Nah have to disagree with you here.

Bill Gates is not a thief because he has more money than me. He does not owe me anything. To be a thief you have to actually steal something that someone has ownership on.

 

[Gandyy]

No no no. They're trapped once the debt mounts.

Unless you happen to have the looks to be a trophy wife/husband, you work for us now.

Once the debt is gone of course is what I meant.

 

[StudyLater]

Took? from the homeless man? How did she get rich taking from the homeless man?

She took what could have been given to him. Now he suffers, but why? For the sake of her gluttony?

Nah have to disagree with you here.

Bill Gates is not a thief because he has more money than me. He does not owe me anything. To be a thief you have to actually steal something that someone has a ownership on.

Ownership of more than what you need is theft from someone who needs it more.

Bill Gates is a thief on a massive scale, yes.

 

[StudyLater]

Once the debt is gone of course is what I meant.

Oh well then, fair enough.

They'd have to also get some savings for living expenses and tuition to go back to school for whatever the hell they'd end up doing, so that too.

 

[Gandyy]

She took what could have been given to him. Now he suffers, but why? For the sake of her gluttony?



Ownership of more than what you need is theft from someone who needs it more.

Bill Gates is a thief on a massive scale, yes.

Very interesting point of view. First time I've heard of it.

 

[Gandyy]

Oh well then, fair enough.

They'd have to also get some savings for living expenses and tuition to go back to school for whatever the hell they'd end up doing, so that too.

You can always teach as a professor with a DO or MD degree.

 

[StudyLater]

Very interesting point of view. First time I've heard of it.

Perhaps being born and raised in America has clouded your mind. I don't know. But if people are suffering, concentrating more money with those that could only use it for luxury is not going to help.

 

[deleted480308]

She took what could have been given to him. Now he suffers, but why? For the sake of her gluttony?



Ownership of more than what you need is theft from someone who needs it more.

Bill Gates is a thief on a massive scale, yes.

You are positing that all property is communally owned and anything I have has been stolen from someone else....because all people have equal claim to the contents of my pockets?

 

[StudyLater]

You can always teach as a professor with a DO or MD degree.

At the schools that are now no longer receiving applications because being a physician is no longer profitable?

Yes. I'll go and do that.

 

[Spinach Dip]

Oh look. Its this thread again.

 

[StudyLater]

You are positing that all property is communally owned and anything I have has been stolen from someone else....because all people have equal claim to the contents of my pockets?

Precisely. Property is a communally damning concept. It is a belief. I am not a subscriber.

 

[StudyLater]

I see you are using an electronic device to post on an Internet forum. That means you have more privilege than 95% of the worlds population and have taken more than you need.

You are a thief and should be ashamed of yourself.

I should. Sadly I don't have a conscience so it's cool.

 

[deleted480308]

Precisely. Property is a communally damning concept. It is a belief. I am not a subscriber.

So if someone jumped in your car and drove away or moved into your house and wouldn't leave.....you wouldn't call the police?

 

[Gandyy]

Perhaps being born and raised in America has clouded your mind. I don't know. But if people are suffering, concentrating more money with those that could only use it for luxury is not going to help.

Nothing has "clouded my mind". Just because I dont agree with your rather extreme view does not mean my mind is "clouded."

This is a really bad way to handle a disagreement btw.

 

[WingedOx]

Sarcasm and hyperbole do not travel well over the internet. Also you put it in quotes

People who can't understand sarcasm or hyperbole on the internet make the worst possible physicians.

 

[Gandyy]

People who can't understand sarcasm or hyperbole on the internet make the worst possible physicians.

lol

 

[StudyLater]

So if someone jumped in your car and drove away or moved into your house and wouldn't leave.....you wouldn't call the police?

No I mean, as long as the person isn't being violent or causing a serious disturbance of some kind.

I'd only have a crappy car to begin with, if I even had a car. I can walk, bike, or take the bus if my car gets stolen. I don't care if I bought it for like $2k three years ago. I probably was gonna get a new one anyway.

As for the bolded.....what is family, then?

Nothing has "clouded my mind". Just because I dont agree with your rather extreme view does not mean my mind is "clouded."

This is a really bad way to handle a disagreement btw.

It's ok. You probably just couldn't understand without having everything taken from you for the sake of someone else's luxury.

I know.

Yes, I think we were all pretty clear that you don't have a conscience.