Should Medical Schools require a degree?

[dr_dre]

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Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like orgo or physics.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in science or health studies. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of arts students who never took any rigorous science courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their English preparation helped them write their essays.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward an English major with no serious science background who realizes that their only options are teaching or writing books?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in arts who has only been rigourously studying science during his 3 years as a med student??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good written and oral communication skills, and they do need a basic knowledge in social science and ethics. But science has been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good bedside manner but what's more important is our understanding of the human body, of its interactions with drugs, of the way viruses and bacteria evolve and overtake us in disease. And I just can't agree that you can jump into science as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest courses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses noone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

 

[Depakote]

Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like orgo or physics.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in science or health studies. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of arts students who never took any rigorous science courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their English preparation helped them write their essays.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward an English major with no serious science background who realizes that their only options are teaching or writing books?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in arts who has only been rigourously studying science during his 3 years as a med student??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good written and oral communication skills, and they do need a basic knowledge in social science and ethics. But science has been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good bedside manner but what's more important is our understanding of the human body, of its interactions with drugs, of the way viruses and bacteria evolve and overtake us in disease. And I just can't agree that you can jump into science as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest courses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses noone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

I'm a humanities major.

Now ask me about my 100+ hours of Basic Sciences.

 

[MollyMalone]

Well, then I shall bask in the warm glow of knowing that you puke when you think of me.

 

[dr_dre]

I don't understand why people would want their doctor to never have taken rigorous science courses?
If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

 

[Hypothalamus]

I don't understand why people would want their doctor to never have taken rigorous science courses?
If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

Most schools require those science prerequisites, and even then, some of them seem irrelevant (physics, for example). Those eight core science courses are required in order to measure candidate's aptitude and perseverance. I personally believe that biology, chemistry, and organic chemistry are the only preqrequisites we will actually call upon in medical school. Physics, in my opinion, is required solely to test the canidate's mental flexibility and endurance.

In addition, medical schools need to ensure that their students pass the USMLE. A school will not accept a student if it believes he/she does not have the mental training for medicine.

There shouldn't be any specific requirements for degrees. I say this as a future graduate of microbiology.

 

[kevinp2]

Humanities majors often take advanced science courses. They regularly outperform bio majors on the MCAT:

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgpabymaj1.htm

I remember seeing stats showing that they do really well on the USMLE as well.

I don't understand why people would want their doctor to never have taken rigorous science courses?
If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

I don't think anyone gives a $hit if their doctor took rocks for jocks 101 in college as long as they made it through medical school.

 

[arroser]

I don't understand why people would want their doctor to never have taken rigorous science courses?
If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

What do you learn in those "rigorous science courses" that is:
a) not taught in medical school
AND
b) required for you to help your patients?

I think that ideally, science majors and rigorous science courses are training people to be scientists. I'm not saying that doctors aren't/can't be scientists as well, and as a humanities major I hope I would've gotten some pretty pointed questions if I was applying MD/PhD (I'm not) about why I wasn't a science major, but medicine for non-academic physicians is a trade first of all and an academic pursuit second. The whole point of medical school is that they teach you everything you need to know in order to successfully take care of your patients. So it shouldn't matter that I spent four years reading English Renaissance literature as long as I took my prereqs and did well on the MCAT.

And even as a humanities major, I have a pretty substantial amount of research on my resume and I know how to think about problems scientifically. So I could become an academic physician even without a degree in biology.

 

[sunset823]

I don't understand why people would want their doctor to never have taken rigorous science courses?
If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

Have you ever thought about the fact that medicine these days not only requires science knowledge, but also business, politics, communications, etc., etc.? I've seen people who were only science whizzes fall flat on their face after coming out of med school because they don't know how to interact with patients...humanities and social science education are really what separate the best doctors from the rest of the pack these days, not an A+ in orgo.

Also, how can you assume that non-science majors don't take rigorous science classes? I know PLENTY of pre-med English majors; it was the third most popular major at my school, and it provides a lot of flexibility, along with good analysis skills. These people succeeded in advanced molecular biology courses as well, because they knew how to garner the important material from the class.

 

[TakingBakSunday]

Humanities majors often take advanced science courses. They regularly outperform bio majors on the MCAT:

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgpabymaj1.htm

I'd certainly hope so. They have a lot more time to study for the April MCAT and probably don't have to take as many summer courses (or harder summer courses) when studying for the August MCAT

seriously, don't kill me for that comment 🙄

 

[sentry]

Two problems with what you are saying:

1. If you have been studying biology since early HS, and then some "English major" decides to become a doctor all the sudden, and outperforms you on the MCAT, well that doesn't say much for all the "studying" you've been doing

2. Your assuming that everything that is not a "hard science" is an easy class, which is ridiculous.

 

[sentry]

Biochem is a joke when compared to any sort of upper level mathematics or economics -- you can memorize a ton of stuff, congratulations -- God forbid you actually take a class where you have to think.

 

[dr_dre]

LOL Plz don't tell me that english is harder than a class like orgo. I've taken english classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do English Majors all of a sudden want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken science classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying poetry for 4 years?

 

[dr_dre]

math counts as a physical science

 

[TakingBakSunday]

Biochem is a joke when compared to any sort of upper level mathematics or economics -- you can memorize a ton of stuff, congratulations -- God forbid you actually take a class where you have to think.

you mean like engineering?

 

[sentry]

Where did I say english is harder? Apparantly you should have taken some more English classes, because economics isn't English. Apparantly, you've never taken upper level English classes, and are basically assuming they just sit around and "regurgitate bs". If someone did well on the MCAT, why should it matter? They certainly have the background in basic sciences that the medical schools want, and I should hope medical schools have a better concept of what is necessary to succeed in school than you do

 

[sentry]

you mean like engineering?

Exactly like engineering

 

[Depakote]

Why do English Majors all of a sudden want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken science classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying poetry for 4 years?

Maybe we knew we wanted to be doctors all along but decided to get a little fμcking culture along the way?

Now ask me about my research and clinical experiences.

 

[TakingBakSunday]

Where did I say english is harder? Apparantly you should have taken some more English classes, because economics isn't English. Apparantly, you've never taken upper level English classes, and are basically assuming they just sit around and "regurgitate bs". If someone did well on the MCAT, why should it matter? They certainly have the background in basic sciences that the medical schools want, and I should hope medical schools have a better concept of what is necessary to succeed in school than you do

sorry, i had to post this. it was too funny.

 

[sentry]

I wasn't implying that math wasn't a physical science -- I was simply saying that you are kidding yourself if you think that the classes you took were the hardest available on campus

 

[sentry]

sorry, i had to post this. it was too funny.

And I spelled it wrong twice! 😡 Guess I just ruined whatever point I was trying to make

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific engineering degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like advanced quantum mechanics or Fourier Analysis III.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in engineering. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of natural sciences students who never took any rigorous engineering courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their bio helped them on the mcats.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward a natural sciences major with no serious thinking and problem solving skills who realize that their only options are being a lab benchjunkie or a high school science teacher?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in sciences who has no critical thinking skills and can't apply what they've learned at all, only proving in college that they might have a decent memory??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good a memory, and they do need a basic knowledge in natural sciences. But FIGURING OUT WHATS WRONG WITH PATIENTS AND FIXING IThas been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good text book knowledgebut what's more important is our ability to take that knowledge INTO THE REAL WORLD. And I just can't agree that you can jump into applicative reasoning as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest natural sciencecourses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses where you actually have to thinknoone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

 

[sentry]

Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific engineering degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like advanced quantum mechanics or Fourier Analysis III.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in engineering. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of natural sciences students who never took any rigorous engineering courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their bio helped them on the mcats.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward a natural sciences major with no serious thinking and problem solving skills who realize that their only options are being a lab benchjunkie or a high school science teacher?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in sciences who has no critical thinking skills and can't apply what they've learned at all, only proving in college that they might have a decent memory??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good a memory, and they do need a basic knowledge in natural sciences. But FIGURING OUT WHATS WRONG WITH PATIENTS AND FIXING IThas been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good text book knowledgebut what's more important is our ability to take that knowledge INTO THE REAL WORLD. And I just can't agree that you can jump into applicative reasoning as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest natural sciencecourses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses where you actually have to thinknoone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

👍

 

[somemaybedoc]

You seem to think that having curiosity for science courses over other courses makes for a better physician and deserves recognition. I disagree, anyone who can learn the basic science needed for medicine and has an intellectual interest in pretty much anything can make a great physician, assuming he or she has decent people skills. Their really isn't much medical value in having huge advanced science experience over experience in the humanities; as long as you have a grasp of the fundemental science, the rest is taught in medical school. In a field that is so effected by policy and interpersonal relations, one can easily see how medical schools value both the humanities and social sciences in addition to the natural sciences. BTW, in my experience upper level biology involved a lot less thinking than many of my courses in other disciplines, but your mileage may vary depending on aptitude and program.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

LOL Plz don't tell me that orgo is harder than a class like signals and systems. I've taken science classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do Natural Science Majors still want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken engineering classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying how to classify plants for 4 years?

 

[DrBowtie]

Humanities majors often take advanced science courses. They regularly outperform bio majors on the MCAT:

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgpabymaj1.htm

I remember seeing stats showing that they do really well on the USMLE as well.



I don't think anyone gives a $hit if their doctor took rocks for jocks 101 in college as long as they made it through medical school.

Nice Post. 👍

 

[dr_dre]

Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific engineering degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like advanced quantum mechanics or Fourier Analysis III.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in engineering. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of natural sciences students who never took any rigorous engineering courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their bio helped them on the mcats.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward a natural sciences major with no serious thinking and problem solving skills who realize that their only options are being a lab benchjunkie or a high school science teacher?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in sciences who has no critical thinking skills and can't apply what they've learned at all, only proving in college that they might have a decent memory??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good a memory, and they do need a basic knowledge in natural sciences. But FIGURING OUT WHATS WRONG WITH PATIENTS AND FIXING IThas been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good text book knowledgebut what's more important is our ability to take that knowledge INTO THE REAL WORLD. And I just can't agree that you can jump into applicative reasoning as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest natural sciencecourses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses where you actually have to thinknoone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

You're a *****

 

[somemaybedoc]

LOL Plz don't tell me that orgo is harder than a class like signals and systems. I've taken science classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do Natural Science Majors still want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken engineering classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying how to classify plants for 4 years?

Don't even get me started on plant bio major premeds who feel entitled over those who were not pure natural science majors.

 

[somemaybedoc]

You're a *****

I'm loving those science major writing skills and people skills.

 

[Miliwen]

LOL Plz don't tell me that english is harder than a class like orgo. I've taken english classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do English Majors all of a sudden want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken science classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying poetry for 4 years?

This is the way I see it. English majors that wish to goto med school have to take the pre-reqs. Meaning they will have to take orgo along the way. If the english major does great in undergrad and pre-reqs, then nails the MCAT, what should it matter? The odds are, they will be good doctors.

Because, ya know, they have to take Biology I & II, Physics I & II, Chem I & II and Orgo Chem I & II. Just like a science major would have to. So whats the difference?

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

You're a *****

Well, seeing as how you actually wrote almost 75% of that post, you must be 3 times the ***** I am.

First of all, it has been shown that people rarely use or even remember what they learned from undergraduate years. So why does it really matter what they studied before? Secondly, after taking the boards, most med students forget all the science stuff anyway, because they have rotations and residency to worry about and work on, so your little cyberspace jihad for natural sciences doesn't really get me off.

Thirdly, if you were as passionate about medicine and dedicated to helping people the rest of your life, you would want to go to the best medical school education possible. To do that you need high grades. To do THAT you need to be an english/arts major. So from that perspective, english/arts majors are the most dedicated and passionate premeds ever, since they are willing to risk it all (ie not having a job if they dont get in) for entrance.

Of course, from your original post, you're probably too dense to find the humor in that, and will continue to respond with insults and derogatory single syllables because you have nothing better to say. I've got more respect for the humanities people than natural sciences majors (assuming they aren't doing it purely for the grades) because they're doing what they like instead of following a textbook premed track like a robot from a bad science fiction flick. It adds character. By your ignorant definition of "what a premed should be," you'd get rid of extracurriculars like music and theater and art because they aren't medically related. In fact, if you don't want to be a hypocrite, you better quit everything non-medical and non-science oriented right now. Actually, just die.

 

[sunset823]

LOL Plz don't tell me that orgo is harder than a class like signals and systems. I've taken science classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do Natural Science Majors still want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken engineering classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying how to classify plants for 4 years?

eternalrage, you freakin' rock - I even loved your racism thread post, and I'm a woman, haha

👍👍 for the fixed posts 😎

 

[Jamerson]

SNIP

Wow, I was a BME major too, and that post was wayyyyyyyyyy too funny, not to mention it brought back many a memory regarding tests and projects that I found myself constantly trying to prepare for and lose sleep over . I'm gonna do a repost on my website with the original poster's ridiculous rant, as well as your 'modifications.'

 

[MollyMalone]

Just a friendly reminder that calling people names is both against the SDN ToS and a pretty silly thing to do.

 

[MedicineNutt]

i think all prerequisites should be taken IN MEDICAL SCHOOL so everyone is on the same task...2 years for undergraduate = basic skills (english, communications, social sciences, art/theatre, etc) then 5-6 years = medical school (all science should be taught here). also, MCAT wouldn't be required since all weight should be put on personal statements/GPA/interviews/Volunteering or Shadowing...I DONT BELIEVE IN STANDARDIZED TESTS at all!!! -- not because i suck at them...it's a couple hour thing instead of something you build upon.

my idea, and not medicine's

 

[Anastasis]

LOL Plz don't tell me that english is harder than a class like orgo. I've taken english classes too. We can all read books and regurgitate what the prof has said to get that final A.

Why do English Majors all of a sudden want to be doctors? Do they realize that they have a higher average because they've never taken science classes? Or do they realize that they don't have a job after studying poetry for 4 years?

My degree is in English and actually my GPA for English is LOWER than my GPA for the sciences. BTW, this humanities major got a 41 on her MCAT. Choke on that.

 

[Quix]

Old humanities major here (oddly enough, I have two BS degrees (BS, and BSLA), but they aren't hard sciences, per the OP; both graduate degrees are in the humanities); what I find especially funny about this discussion is that (a) medicine isn't solving for X when you're given a few other variables, and (b) the "hardest non-science class" thread noted that many of the hard-science types here had exceptional difficulty with Introduction to philosophy. I can only imagine the suffering one would endure in a senior or graduate seminar.

Oddly enough, the philosophy major teaches you to approach conditions from a variety of outlooks, which translates to lateral thinking (novel problem-solving skill), as well as rapid extemporaneous thinking, both of which are critical for most of the clinical specialties. Further, we have a tendency to develop good interpersonal skills, allowing us to empathize with others. Finally, we have a tendency to have foreign language requirements for our degrees, which are critical in urban centers when working with patients whose primary language might not be English.

A hard science degree can produce a brilliant researcher, but is hardly the sine qua non of the brilliant doctor. 😉

 

[ssefase]

Well, seeing as how you actually wrote almost 75% of that post, you must be 3 times the ***** I am.

lol owned.

 

[biggoron42]

the very idea that there are pre-meds out there who agree with the first post saddens me.

first of all, the medical schools know best what coursework should be required for entrance into their programs. if they say that gen chem, orgo, physics, and calc are enough for anyone to be a great doctor, who are you to say different? besides the MCAT is supposed to be the great equalizer, predicting success on the boards. humanities majors are scorign higher than science majors; you do the math.

The study of any one of the many disciplines in the humanities can also pay direct dividends in future medical practice. Studying philosophy, the prospective physician can learn to think about the many difficult, abstract issues in bioethics facing the medical profession every day. Studying history, one can begin to analyze the origins of the institutions that comprise the current medical bureaucracy and start to come to terms with what might be done to change them for the better. And the study of art and literature can begin to help students learn about the many lessons of the human experience, invaluable tools in dealign with a varied patient population. etc etc basically interdisciplinary studies of any kind will mold you into a broader person and allow you to attack problems from a number of different angles...a helfpul skill.

beyond these practical concerns, on a more philosophical level, i think we need more poets, writers, historians, and philosophers in medicine. there is a growing dissatisfaction with the overly impersonal, mechanized care of the western medical system, and i think studying the humanities in depth allows the sort of insight into the human condition that i truly feel will help begin to remedy this problem.

PS I am a double major in Biomedical Sciences and Humanities currently applying to med skool

 

[bretticus]

SNIP

Tell it brotha! 😉

 

[RokChalkJayhawk]

Ha- by the time anyone becomes an MD, believe me, even an english major will have taken rigorous science courses.

Do you honestly think a degree in physical chemistry makes you a better physician than someone who graduated with a degree in english? Maybe if you wanted to do research, but I think the person with a degree in some super scientific field would be more likely to be cumbersome in a clinical setting.

And btw, I'm a biology major.

 

[45408]

I want to puke when I think of arts students who never took any rigorous science courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their English preparation helped them write their essays.

Are you in med school yet? Are you aware of the massive amount of science knowledge that is in the first two years of curriculum?

I'm guessing the answers will be "No" and "No" for those two....

 

[lpressley130]

dr_dre:
One day you'll understand... especially after you take care of a patient. Until then, you'll continue to whine about your undergrad courses. Look at the big picture, not the minutia. You're forgetting that you'll not only be treating a disease, but a person as well.

 

[Orthodoc40]

If you went into English then stick to your own kind.

And all of you science majors - how DARE you play an instrument well, get involved in competitive sports or read any literature or write poetry!! Go back to the lab, where you all belong!!

😉

 

[MedicineNutt]

yo dr. dre when is that dretox album dropping??? im hella anxious brotha...please get off tha weed cuz that every 7 years is gettin annoying! we need dat classic ASAP homie...

GO BACK TO THE LAB (music) WHERE YOU BELONG and MAKE A HIT FOR DADDY!!!

 

[akinf]

yo dr. dre when is that dretox album dropping??? im hella anxious brotha...please get off tha weed cuz that every 7 years is gettin annoying! we need dat classic ASAP homie...

GO BACK TO THE LAB (music) WHERE YOU BELONG and MAKE A HIT FOR DADDY!!!

The Detox project was cancelled.

 

[MedicineNutt]

The Detox project was cancelled.

says who? didnt eminem mention forcing dre into finishing the album?? this is totally wack...DAMN--have to checkout wikipedia asap

 

[Hurricane95]

Um...I was under the impression that medical school required certain science courses...namely at least two semesters of biology, gen chem, organic chem, physics and some math, preferably through calc I. You can't apply to medical school without having taken any science classes.

That being said I give mad props to humanities majors who complete all their requirements AND take the required sciences, AND take the mcat and do well.

 

[drjewel]

Looking over the cutoffs for several ontario schools is pretty depressing. But what makes me very angry is how some schools do not require a specific engineering degree or only 'recommend' rigorous courses like advanced quantum mechanics or Fourier Analysis III.

Most people I know do not have straight A's. And something inside me fails to believe that every single medical student out there had straight As in undergrad. I know a few medical students and a couple of residents who will be starting their own practices soon, and they're definitely not the world's smartest people.

I feel that medical schools should clearly say that they require a specific degree in engineering. First of all, knowledge gained while pursuing such a degree will be beneficial in medical school. I want to puke when I think of natural sciences students who never took any rigorous engineering courses because these were only recommended, and are now doctors because their bio helped them on the mcats.

Lets face the facts, most of us knew that we wanted to be doctors or health practicioners of some kind way back in high school. That's why we worked so hard in bio, chem, calculus and other advanced level courses to help us get into the best undergrad. Why should we reward a natural sciences major with no serious thinking and problem solving skills who realize that their only options are being a lab benchjunkie or a high school science teacher?
Is there anyone out there who really wants their doctor to have an undergrad in sciences who has no critical thinking skills and can't apply what they've learned at all, only proving in college that they might have a decent memory??

Don't get me wrong, doctors do need good a memory, and they do need a basic knowledge in natural sciences. But FIGURING OUT WHATS WRONG WITH PATIENTS AND FIXING IThas been the foundation of medicine. Sure we need a good text book knowledgebut what's more important is our ability to take that knowledge INTO THE REAL WORLD. And I just can't agree that you can jump into applicative reasoning as a medical student and learn everything you need to know in a three year period.

Unfortunately, at a lot of medical schools that's the way admissions are these days.
So to all the high school students aspiring to be pre-meds:
Don't be too keen, remember to take the easiest natural sciencecourses you can, because if your curiosity actually causes you to engage yourself in too many advanced science courses where you actually have to thinknoone will recognize it in the end anyway. All that matters is your GPA and not how you got it.

I like that. Go engineers!! (EE turned pre-med here)

hmm... Baltimore... BME... you wouldn't happen to go to Hopkins, would you? 😉

If you thought signals and systems was bad, you should try control systems design... I really hated that class. 😡

 

[akinf]

A friend of mine explained this to me pretty well.

Why should you spend anymore time in undergrad. than you have to if you don't intend on pursuing graduate studies/working?

I agree.

 

[HelenaP]

BTW, this humanities major got a 41 on her MCAT. Choke on that.

Nice. As an anthropology major, getting the highest grade in my biochem and physics 2 classes was a source of private amusement. Of course, I can never let those science majors find out who set the curve. 😉