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Well now that we August MCAT?ers have received our scores and have had a few days to let them sink in (whether they are good or lower than we expected), I just wanted to start this thread to give hope to each and every one of you out there who is disappointed in your MCAT score. I read an earlier post by Clemson Doc, and judging by the responses he received, it seems as if these kinds of threads are much appreciated by the SDN community. So here goes.

Between April 1998 and August 2004, I took the MCAT literally a half dozen times. My scores were all over the place, ranging from 21-26. I am proud to say that I have finally reached my goal, receiving a score of 30 from August 2004 (9 PS, 10 V, 11 BS). So what changed this time around? A lot of things. First of all, I realized after scoring a 26 (9, 9, 8) in Aug 2003 that I have never given this test the respect it deserves. I always viewed the MCAT as a burden, a sort of thorn in my side. Each time I received a disappointing score, I questioned whether I was intelligent enough to do well on the MCAT or to handle med school at all. After applying and not receiving any interviews last year, I decided that I needed to put my heart and soul into this thing if I wanted it to work for me. I changed my entire attitude towards the MCAT, and for the first time I viewed it not as a hurdle, but as an *opportunity* to help me get into med school. Half my problem all along was in my attitude. I hated studying for the MCAT in the past. I often referred to it as ?that stupid test? and my scores certainly reflected that. I also was a little overconfident every time I retook it: after my post-bac studies, during grad school, etc. I always figured that my ?MCAT experience? along with the new things that I had learned in school would somehow get me the score I wanted. It didn?t. The MCAT is an entity of its own. I prepared for the test each and every time, just not adequately enough and, at times, my preparation was downright deficient. So after some introspection around this time last year along with advice from some great friends, I dropped all of my preconceived notions about the MCAT and essentially ?started over.? Everything from my test prep materials to my overall attitude changed. No more half-hearted attempts at the MCAT for me. I disciplined myself and studied for a good 3-4 months in earnest. I virtually immersed myself in this thing, and by the time MCAT day arrived, I was giddy with excitement. The test was challenging, but I finished it feeling cautiously optimistic. After all, the MCAT had gotten the best of me five times before. So last Tuesday at a few minutes past 2PM EST, I logged on to my THx account, heart racing. When the screen finally popped up after a few agonizing moments, I took one look at the 30/O on the screen in front of me and let out a yell that I didn?t think I was capable of?I was happy.

Some may say that anyone could receive the MCAT score they want if they take it enough times. Well, maybe, maybe not. It?s all about preparation. And a score of 30, albeit the highly coveted ?magic number,? may not impress some select few hardcore premed types. Will the score be good enough to get me in? That remains to be seen. From what I?ve gathered from admissions officers, a 30 would put me in a good position to land a spot somewhere, all things considered. All I know for sure at this point is that I have reached my goal where the MCAT is concerned and I will never need to take this test again. So please, guys, do not get discouraged by the MCAT. If you want a good score, study for it. Do not hope for the score you want, do not pray for the score you want, PREPARE for the score you want (then thank God when you get it 🙂 ). When you know in your heart that you studied as best you can for the MCAT, I?d be willing to bet you will be happy with the result. At the very least, you will know that you did the best you possibly could on this test and won?t having a nagging doubt in the back of your mind, wondering if you are capable of doing better.

Good luck, and keep the faith.
 
Wow.

Six times?

That takes a lot of endurance.

My hat's off to you and congrats on the 30.

One thing you should know is that some schools average all the MCAT scores that you have ever received.

Try to avoid applying to these schools.

Take care and good luck.
 
How did the aamc approve this? After 3 times you need to have permission from the AAMC to retake, I just don't feasibly seeing them allowing someone to take it 6 times. *shruG*
 
bgreet said:
How did the aamc approve this? After 3 times you need to have permission from the AAMC to retake, I just don't feasibly seeing them allowing someone to take it 6 times. *shruG*

I've known someone who's taken it 5 times.......

Then again, I didn't bother to ask about the hoops he had to jump through. 😀
 
Fusion said:
Well now that we August MCAT?ers have received our scores and have had a few days to let them sink in (whether they are good or lower than we expected), I just wanted to start this thread to give hope to each and every one of you out there who is disappointed in your MCAT score. I read an earlier post by Clemson Doc, and judging by the responses he received, it seems as if these kinds of threads are much appreciated by the SDN community. So here goes.

Between April 1998 and August 2004, I took the MCAT literally a half dozen times. My scores were all over the place, ranging from 21-26. I am proud to say that I have finally reached my goal, receiving a score of 30 from August 2004 (9 PS, 10 V, 11 BS). So what changed this time around? A lot of things. First of all, I realized after scoring a 26 (9, 9, 8) in Aug 2003 that I have never given this test the respect it deserves. I always viewed the MCAT as a burden, a sort of thorn in my side. Each time I received a disappointing score, I questioned whether I was intelligent enough to do well on the MCAT or to handle med school at all. After applying and not receiving any interviews last year, I decided that I needed to put my heart and soul into this thing if I wanted it to work for me. I changed my entire attitude towards the MCAT, and for the first time I viewed it not as a hurdle, but as an *opportunity* to help me get into med school. Half my problem all along was in my attitude. I hated studying for the MCAT in the past. I often referred to it as ?that stupid test? and my scores certainly reflected that. I also was a little overconfident every time I retook it: after my post-bac studies, during grad school, etc. I always figured that my ?MCAT experience? along with the new things that I had learned in school would somehow get me the score I wanted. It didn?t. The MCAT is an entity of its own. I prepared for the test each and every time, just not adequately enough and, at times, my preparation was downright deficient. So after some introspection around this time last year along with advice from some great friends, I dropped all of my preconceived notions about the MCAT and essentially ?started over.? Everything from my test prep materials to my overall attitude changed. No more half-hearted attempts at the MCAT for me. I disciplined myself and studied for a good 3-4 months in earnest. I virtually immersed myself in this thing, and by the time MCAT day arrived, I was giddy with excitement. The test was challenging, but I finished it feeling cautiously optimistic. After all, the MCAT had gotten the best of me five times before. So last Tuesday at a few minutes past 2PM EST, I logged on to my THx account, heart racing. When the screen finally popped up after a few agonizing moments, I took one look at the 30/O on the screen in front of me and let out a yell that I didn?t think I was capable of?I was happy.

Some may say that anyone could receive the MCAT score they want if they take it enough times. Well, maybe, maybe not. It?s all about preparation. And a score of 30, albeit the highly coveted ?magic number,? may not impress some select few hardcore premed types. Will the score be good enough to get me in? That remains to be seen. From what I?ve gathered from admissions officers, a 30 would put me in a good position to land a spot somewhere, all things considered. All I know for sure at this point is that I have reached my goal where the MCAT is concerned and I will never need to take this test again. So please, guys, do not get discouraged by the MCAT. If you want a good score, study for it. Do not hope for the score you want, do not pray for the score you want, PREPARE for the score you want (then thank God when you get it 🙂 ). When you know in your heart that you studied as best you can for the MCAT, I?d be willing to bet you will be happy with the result. At the very least, you will know that you did the best you possibly could on this test and won?t having a nagging doubt in the back of your mind, wondering if you are capable of doing better.

Good luck, and keep the faith.

GREAT post 👍 👍 👍

It's much more impressive when someone is able to rally their resources and endure, versus the prodigies out there that are naturally able to take standardized tests!!! You'll make a great doctor, congrats and good luck
 
Wow. I was finishing 8th grade when you started taking the MCAT.....I don't even know if I'd decided that I wanted to be a doc by then.....
 
hey man, that's a huge improvement congrats. i took it 3 times and i got what i wanted. i know how hard that road is to not get it after the first time. but definately not 6 times. and about the person with the more than 3 times... you need permission by sending them a letter of rejection in previous years. it's to stop people from princeton or kaplan from taking the mcat multiple times. anyhow, congrats and keep fightin.
 
Thanks everyone for all the kind words and encouragement. I?ve gotten a lot of great info from these boards over the past couple years and just glad to be able to give back a little.

As for taking it > 3 times, i have applied to med school before, and all I did was mail a copy of my AMCAS app after I submitted my MCAT application(s). This year, I just mailed a rejection letter from last cycle. It?s really not that big of a deal to ?appeal,? they just want to make sure that ppl aren?t taking the MCAT for purposes other than applying to medical school. A lot of time and effort goes into designing the MCAT, and the more familiar the exam becomes, the easier it gets to ?crack? the MCAT code. Though with enough practice, the more MCAT intuition you develop.

The good thing about my situation is that although I?ve taken the MCAT a bunch of times, the only valid set of scores I have are the ones from this year and last year. The rest have expired, thank goodness. Even if the schools see them, they won?t really hold it against me very much. A lot has happened in the last six years, academically and otherwise. Basically, I was a lazy kid. I didn?t know what it meant to work hard and really give something your all. I learned to study much more effectively during grad school, and I really learned to work during my MCAT preparation. You?ve got to want to succeed.

I hate to sound like an old fogey, but when I started undergrad, there was no such thing as the internet. The best advice by far is from other people?s experiences, which is why SDN is such a helpful thing. If I knew the things I know now about applying to med school even a few years ago, I would be a lot better off. A knowledgable, helpful, and well-meaning pre-med advisor is hard to find. Most everything about this process I had to learn on my own. Granted, I knew that good grades and test scores were a must, but the importance of EC?s were practically shoved down our throats when I was in college. But I don?t want to get off topic. Suffice it to say that I?ve grown up 🙂 .
 
i'm not trying to put u down or anything, but i would think that after the first time u took the MCAT and did not get accepted, u would buckle down and study like crazy to make absolutely sure u improved...

but taking the MCAT 6 times takes a lot of patience, dedication, and heart, and i commend u for that. u will definately make an excellent physician b/c of ur persistence.

good luck 🙂
 
Congratulations to you, Fusion, for your awesome MCAT score this past August! I feel a connection with you since it took me 4 tries to get my precious 31Q.

I wish you the best in your medical school applications. Hopefully we can keep each other posted. I certainly want to know how a fellow MCAT "veteran" is doing.

Clemson Doc
 
Fusion said:
I hate to sound like an old fogey, but when I started undergrad, there was no such thing as the internet.
😱 😱 😱 😱


:laugh: I can't imagine going through college without e-mail. I had nearly 20 school-related e-mails today alone, which is hardly atypical. Running a student organization and being in an active research lab essentially demands the extensive use of e-mail.
 
Congratulations!!! Persistence and dedication are some of the hallmarks of a good doctor. Birdman out.
 
FUSION,

Just a quick question...I know that you used the EK 1001 Biology book this time around, are they actual passages like the verbal 101 or are they simply a collection of stand-alone questions? Thanks.
 
Wow...my hat is off to you Fusion, and everyone else that has taken that damn test multiple times. I was pissed when I had to take it my third time, I didn't get my 30 like I was hoping as well, but I got in this year. I think it was a great thing for me however, I needed a good dose of humility. I honestly think that the mark of perseverence is set at three. Anyone who takes it more than twice can honestly say they want it. I remember my third time walking in with students that were only freshmen the first time I took it (I went to a small school, so I knew almost everyone). I remeber getting out of my car, having to swallow that big pill of pride. And I understand as many of you do, the feeling of frustration each time you got a score back that as much as you hoped, you knew you were setting out another round while you watched your friends move away and go to school. I'm just glad to see that I haven't been alone this whole time. Good luck to all you hard headed f#$%ers like me, that wouldn't take no for an answer.
 
Doc 2b said:
Wow...my hat is off to you Fusion, and everyone else that has taken that damn test multiple times. I was pissed when I had to take it my third time, I didn't get my 30 like I was hoping as well, but I got in this year. I think it was a great thing for me however, I needed a good dose of humility. I honestly think that the mark of perseverence is set at three. Anyone who takes it more than twice can honestly say they want it. I remember my third time walking in with students that were only freshmen the first time I took it (I went to a small school, so I knew almost everyone). I remeber getting out of my car, having to swallow that big pill of pride. And I understand as many of you do, the feeling of frustration each time you got a score back that as much as you hoped, you knew you were setting out another round while you watched your friends move away and go to school. I'm just glad to see that I haven't been alone this whole time. Good luck to all you hard headed f#$%ers like me, that wouldn't take no for an answer.

haha "Nothing's over!!"-Rambo :meanie:
 
RayhanS1282 said:
FUSION,

Just a quick question...I know that you used the EK 1001 Biology book this time around, are they actual passages like the verbal 101 or are they simply a collection of stand-alone questions? Thanks.

I used EK Biology 1001 and liked it a lot. The book is divided into nine chapters with roughly 10-11 passages per chapter and a lot of discrete-type questions thrown into the mix. The Bio 1001 is good b/c it pretty much reviews all of the biology subjects and important concepts while you develop your MCAT skills. I did buy the 1001 series for physics and gen chem as well, but decided not too use them because there was only a month or so left until the big day, and to do the books properly would require a bigger time commitment than I could afford at that point. With that said, however, you can?t go wrong with them. Anyone who goes through the 1001 series thoroughly will be golden where their understanding of the subjects are concerned. IMHO, though, the Bio 1001 is a must.

I am happy to say that I have recently received my first interview invite from one of my state schools, which happens to be my top choice. Thanks again to everyone for all the words of encouragement!
 
I personally know someone who has taken the MCAT 5 times. This individual had to write a letter in order to get permission and they had to show that they had applied to schools each time that they got the permission. My friend unfortunately didn't get accepted to med school in the end. My friend also never divulged any of the scores with me so I am not sure if they improved significantly, if at all.
🙁


bgreet said:
How did the aamc approve this? After 3 times you need to have permission from the AAMC to retake, I just don't feasibly seeing them allowing someone to take it 6 times. *shruG*
 
Fusion said:
Will the score be good enough to get me in? That remains to be seen. From what I've gathered from admissions officers, a 30 would put me in a good position to land a spot somewhere, all things considered

Just wanted to revive my old thread for all the April takers and update my progress. I applied to more than 30 schools this year, had five interviews (4 MD, 1 DO) and am currently waitlisted at four schools. If it wasn't for my lackluster undergrad GPA, I would probably have been accepted somewhere by now. But I am grateful for my interviews nonetheless and am hoping and praying for that precious acceptance offer!

Do not let the MCAT stand between you and your dreams. Instead, use it to help you get to where you want to be.
 
Five times or six times to get a 30? Well, I can guess whos gonna end up in psychiatry after med school. :laugh:
 
Neurolemma said:
Five times or six times to get a 30? Well, I can guess whos gonna end up in psychiatry after med school. :laugh:

dingus.

Z
 
Neurolemma said:
Five times or six times to get a 30? Well, I can guess whos gonna end up in psychiatry after med school. :laugh:

Personally, I think this story is motivating for all MCATer that didnt do so hot. Please dont hate on this person for taking the MCAT as many time as he feel like to become a doctor. It is pricks like you that have some insecurities within yourself that poke fun at other people. Go back to your kiddie land and GROW UP!!!!!! 😡 😡

FUSION I HOPE YOU THE BEST AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BE MY DOCTOR. YOU ARE THE EPITOME OF "I WILL PERSIST UNTIL I SUCCEED." YOU GOT A GREAT STORY TO TELL YOUR KIDS OR PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE ABOUT PERSISTENCE.
 
👎
Neurolemma said:
Five times or six times to get a 30? Well, I can guess whos gonna end up in psychiatry after med school. :laugh:

BTW, PRICK 😡 😡

A person who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the man doing it.
Source: (Chinese)
 
Fusion said:
Just wanted to revive my old thread for all the April takers and update my progress. I applied to more than 30 schools this year, had five interviews (4 MD, 1 DO) and am currently waitlisted at four schools. If it wasn't for my lackluster undergrad GPA, I would probably have been accepted somewhere by now. But I am grateful for my interviews nonetheless and am hoping and praying for that precious acceptance offer!

Do not let the MCAT stand between you and your dreams. Instead, use it to help you get to where you want to be.
Good luck Fusion, hope you get off those waitlists. You keep perservering and I have faith you'll get in. All the best...you deserve it! 👍
 
Thank you everyone for all the good wishes. I am glad that my story may be of some encouragement who may be feeling a bit down right now from the MCAT. I certainly know how they feel.

Desire and persistence are definitely key.

P.S. For those of you who sent me a PM, sorry I missed your message. I have made some room in my PM box. 🙂
 
hey OP! congrats! I took the MCAT 3 times to get my 28R and am hoping this year will be my year! it's so cool to hear about such dedicated people like you and I hope to meet classmates like you when I get in! Good luck this time around!
 
6 times man, thats atleast 5 years (considering ur first scores expired).

You could have done an SMP, gone to DO school, or carribean and been more than half way done with med school by now. Just wondering, why not any of these options?
 
I am happy for you men... You did not let the mcat to stop you. Keep it up, and I wish you luck on admission.
 
gujuDoc said:
To think just a few days ago, I thought you were a good person and that you didn't deserve to be banned the first time you were on SDN. I'm gonna tell you that you have no right to tell someone some of the nasty remarks you have been making lately. At least this poster didn't almost get expelled (a la 25 and under MCAT thread).

Good luck getting into med school if you get expelled. I'm not sure that there will be many med schools that will take you, unless you want the Carribbean.

So unless you have something constructive to say, why don't you just not post at all. Since you rejoined these boards, this is the second thread that I have seen you try to stir up trouble in. Troll. I've lost my respect for you.

You again. Since you can't differentiate between humor and trolling: if I was trolling, I would have said good luck getting into med school. Instead, I told the guy a psychiatry residency is waiting for him, while he's currently being waitlisted. If you can't understand that, I'm not surprised.

Don't worry about my getting into med school. I have an intellect that you couldn't come close to matching after a lifetime of trying. Now keep up with your pointless insults; that, and your worthless advice, seems to be the high point of your malfunctioning brain cells.
 
NRAI2001 said:
...considering ur first scores expired.

Thank goodness for that 🙂

NRAI2001 said:
You could have done an SMP, gone to DO school, or carribean and been more than half way done with med school by now. Just wondering, why not any of these options?

Great question. Actually, I got accepted to AUC right out of college and SGU a few years later. But I felt strongly about not wanting to limit my residency options coming from a Carribean school. I did not know much about SMP's until a few years after college when I applied to a couple programs and went to the one at BU (finished a year ago). Although strong performance in an SMP can really give you an advantage, a decent MCAT score is still a must.

I really was in no hurry to start med school when I was younger. I was all about gaining "life experience" and learning about myself while doing everything I could to get in somewhere in the US. Interestingly, if I had chosen to go to AUC (and completed a 3-year residency), I would have been a full-fledged doctor now. But despite this, I don't regret not starting med school earlier. I have had some really great experiences over the past few years that I wouldn't trade for anything. As for DO school, they are not as easy as a lot of ppl tend to think. Of the two that I applied to this year (both in my home state), only one gave me an interview. The other DO school took no interest in me, even though four MD schools did.

I sometimes wonder about why other "non-traditional" SDN'ers like myself also didn't jump to the Caribbean or DO school (liverotcod and singing devil come to mind) when they could have saved themselves many years. We must be cut from the same cloth. But guess what? Both those guys have finally accomplished their goals and are going to US med schools in the fall. Hopefully, I will too.
 
Neurolemma said:
Don't worry about my getting into med school. I have an intellect that you couldn't come close to matching after a lifetime of trying. Now keep up with your pointless insults; that, and your worthless advice, seems to be the high point of your malfunctioning brain cells.
i'm not sure of an intellect, but certainly an arrogance no one else could match 😀
 
Fusion said:
Thank goodness for that 🙂



Great question. Actually, I got accepted to AUC right out of college and SGU a few years later. But I felt strongly about not wanting to limit my residency options coming from a Carribean school. I did not know much about SMP's until a few years after college when I applied to a couple programs and went to the one at BU (finished a year ago). Although strong performance in an SMP can really give you an advantage, a decent MCAT score is still a must.

I really was in no hurry to start med school when I was younger. I was all about gaining "life experience" and learning about myself while doing everything I could to get in somewhere in the US. Interestingly, if I had chosen to go to AUC (and completed a 3-year residency), I would have been a full-fledged doctor now. But despite this, I don't regret not starting med school earlier. I have had some really great experiences over the past few years that I wouldn't trade for anything. As for DO school, they are not as easy as a lot of ppl tend to think. Of the two that I applied to this year (both in my home state), only one gave me an interview. The other DO school took no interest in me, even though four MD schools did.

I sometimes wonder about why other "non-traditional" SDN'ers like myself also didn't jump to the Caribbean or DO school (liverotcod and singing devil come to mind) when they could have saved themselves many years. We must be cut from the same cloth. But guess what? Both those guys have finally accomplished their goals and are going to US med schools in the fall. Hopefully, I will too.

Congradulations to those guys, and I wish you the best of luck 👍
 
gujuDoc said:
To think just a few days ago, I thought you were a good person and that you didn't deserve to be banned the first time you were on SDN. I'm gonna tell you that you have no right to tell someone some of the nasty remarks you have been making lately. At least this poster didn't almost get expelled (a la 25 and under MCAT thread).

Good luck getting into med school if you get expelled. I'm not sure that there will be many med schools that will take you, unless you want the Carribbean.

So unless you have something constructive to say, why don't you just not post at all. Since you rejoined these boards, this is the second thread that I have seen you try to stir up trouble in. Troll. I've lost my respect for you.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
Psycho Doctor said:
i'm not sure of an intellect, but certainly an arrogance no one else could match 😀

Following in the footsteps of "Christ" there, are we? 😉 Your hypocrisy is quite evident, Judas.
 
"Do not let the MCAT stand between you and your dreams. Instead, use it to help you get to where you want to be." Hmm...I will hold on to that.
 
Neurolemma said:
Five times or six times to get a 30? Well, I can guess whos gonna end up in psychiatry after med school. :laugh:


you're super cool 👎

get a life...
 
Make sure to apply to schools that only consider the most recent or best set of scores. I can't find the old thread that discussed this. It might be worth starting a new one in pre-allo. Find them using the Princeton Review guide to medical schools and the MSAR and then post a thread about it and see if students have any other schools to add.
 
Wow, what a difference a year makes. This time last year I was full of hope, yet still very uncertain about my future. Now I find myself two months into medical school, using my break between physiology and embryology lectures to type this message from my school's computer lab. It's interesting the way things work out.

Chin up, guys. Keep hope alive!
 
👍 👍 👍 Fusion 👍 👍

You are an inspiration, this will be my fourth time. Im glad that you scored well, you deserved it🙂
 
Fusion said:
I took one look at the 30/O on the screen in front of me and let out a yell that I didn?t think I was capable of?I was happy.

Good luck, and keep the faith.
thanks for the luck
and congratulations!!
okay
so it makes me feel little better than I am not so dumb for planning to take the MCAT for the fourth time. 😀
 
Fusion said:
Wow, what a difference a year makes. This time last year I was full of hope, yet still very uncertain about my future. Now I find myself two months into medical school, using my break between physiology and embryology lectures to type this message from my school's computer lab. It's interesting the way things work out.

Chin up, guys. Keep hope alive!

thank God for people like you! you are the best. 👍
 
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