Any clinical (not social) skills or knowledge you wish you had mastered before starting 3rd year
Cutting the right length string after a knot has been tied -_-
Any clinical (not social) skills or knowledge you wish you had mastered before starting 3rd year
Cutting the right length string after a knot has been tied -_-
Cutting the right length string after a knot has been tied -_-
Knowing which attendings give the best evals
Any clinical (not social) skills or knowledge you wish you had mastered before starting 3rd year
Any clinical (not social) skills or knowledge you wish you had mastered before starting 3rd year
I have a quick q. How many patients are you responsible for as an individual/team per week? How can you read up on *all* the patients you see in your rotation?
I have a quick q. How many patients are you responsible for as an individual/team per week? How can you read up on *all* the patients you see in your rotation?
Suturing. Suturing. More suturing.
All of you wannabe scalpel jockeys, understand the delicate nature of many operations. You will NEVER be given a scalpel if you even get close to a patient. HOWEVER, you will get many opportunities to suture or staple.
Just my 1st week of OB, I've been repeatedly offered by my preceptor the opportunity to suture up trocar defects for lap procedures, and I've declined. Unsure if my suture skills were a) impressive enough and b) this stitch job is a real live person whom will live the the after effects.
It's a lost opportunity. So practice, practice, practice. And it's not like I've never stitched, I've stitched plenty of pigs feet. However, reason b) is enough to make me balk. Needless to say I am getting more practice now, so hopefully maybe end of this week, or definitely the week after, I can suture a few patients.
While I do agree with the advice to practice suturing, I will have to disagree with some of the other things in this post. It is possible to be given the opportunity to use the scalpel. I made the opening incision on 15 or so patients as an MSIII, and I'm not talking trocar sites, I'm talking sternotomies. Also, if your attending/resident offers to let you suture something, do not say no. If they are asking you, it means they trust you. Saying no implies that you aren't interested or haven't been practicing your knot tying skills. If you are too afraid or are unsure what you are doing, say "hey can you show me how to do the first one?"
I wish I had learned to how to approach common chief complaints better and more effectively. I still have a hard time trying to work through a patient when all they say is "I've been coughing" or "my head hurts". They way they teach is at school is as if the patient already has a sign on their head with their diagnosis. Also coming up with target differentials and not just anything I can remotely remember from path.
This.
I personally think one of the most valuable skills to begin developing in your third year is the ability to form a quality differential diagnosis list, especially for those vague chief complaints. Secants is correct in saying that in school we are taught medicine in a completely different way. Patients already have a diagnosis or we are only expected to choose from a list of 2-3 potential diagnoses. In the real world, this chief complaint could be anything, and developing a quality differential list and knowing how to work through it by taking a full history, performing a quality physical exam, and ordering appropriate confirmatory testing is paramount.
If anything, I would work on this. As with everything else (suturing, presenting, etc), it comes with practice and time. But I feel that if you want to really distinguish yourself from your fellow MS3 colleagues, showing your resident or attending that you can develop a very good differential will do more to show them your medical knowledge than anything else.
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What is the best way to work on this as a MS2?
Cutting the right length string after a knot has been tied -_-
While I do agree with the advice to practice suturing, I will have to disagree with some of the other things in this post. It is possible to be given the opportunity to use the scalpel. I made the opening incision on 15 or so patients as an MSIII, and I'm not talking trocar sites, I'm talking sternotomies. Also, if your attending/resident offers to let you suture something, do not say no. If they are asking you, it means they trust you. Saying no implies that you aren't interested or haven't been practicing your knot tying skills. If you are too afraid or are unsure what you are doing, say "hey can you show me how to do the first one?"
HOWEVER, I was personally amused when I had to ask a Hispanic woman this AM, if she made "numero dos" cuz I did NOT know how to ask if she had a bowel movement. lol
Suturing. Suturing. More suturing.
All of you wannabe scalpel jockeys, understand the delicate nature of many operations. You will NEVER be given a scalpel if you even get close to a patient. HOWEVER, you will get many opportunities to suture or staple.
Just my 1st week of OB, I've been repeatedly offered by my preceptor the opportunity to suture up trocar defects for lap procedures, and I've declined. Unsure if my suture skills were a) impressive enough and b) this stitch job is a real live person whom will live the the after effects.
It's a lost opportunity. So practice, practice, practice. And it's not like I've never stitched, I've stitched plenty of pigs feet. However, reason b) is enough to make me balk. Needless to say I am getting more practice now, so hopefully maybe end of this week, or definitely the week after, I can suture a few patients.
This is a hilarious thread.
- Int Medicine = presentations are everything. God does the rest.
- Surgery =
1) don't be timid, say yes to everything and anything
2) know all the anatomy of the abdomen (at least).
3) Learn about suturing: instrument-tie, instrument assist tie (that's a plastics thing, but at my school, you get to do 1 specialty month), one hand tie, two hand tie. Understand why certain stitches and certain suture is used the way it is.
4) Learn about dressings: how to remove dressings, put on dressings, read/strip/empty/remove drains. 5) most important of all don't touch the f-ing mayo tray - EVER - even if the attending is flipping out about getting the metz or something. Only exception is if the scrub nurse says okay.
Suturing. Suturing. More suturing.
All of you wannabe scalpel jockeys, understand the delicate nature of many operations. You will NEVER be given a scalpel if you even get close to a patient. HOWEVER, you will get many opportunities to suture or staple.
Just my 1st week of OB, I've been repeatedly offered by my preceptor the opportunity to suture up trocar defects for lap procedures, and I've declined. Unsure if my suture skills were a) impressive enough and b) this stitch job is a real live person whom will live the the after effects.
It's a lost opportunity. So practice, practice, practice. And it's not like I've never stitched, I've stitched plenty of pigs feet. However, reason b) is enough to make me balk. Needless to say I am getting more practice now, so hopefully maybe end of this week, or definitely the week after, I can suture a few patients.
Just ask the attending if they want the tails too long or too short.
To all incoming MS3s: If the resident/attending asks if you want to do something cool (like suturing, scalpeling, etc.) SAY YES. Even if you're absolutely terrible, they'll either walk you through it, or say, F-this and take over. Saying NO makes it look like you don't know AND you have no desire to learn. If there's one thing you want to have on lockdown, is be able to tie a knot (preferably 1-handed, or possibly instrument I suppose).
Whoever got to make first incision as a MS3, wow. You had a hell of a rotation. The one downside of my hospital is that there are TONS of residents. Meaning every case has a resident covering. No opportunity for a student to make incisions. As a MS3 on surgery, I've gotten to close skin incisions. One of my friends went on neurosurgery for his surgical subspecialty, and got to do a lot more because they knew that was what he wanted to do. Most surgical services aren't like that at my hospital.
Also: very much agreed with whoever said to find out which attendings you want to get evals from. I busted my butt for 2 weeks with one attending. At mid-rotation evals, I got straight 3s and no comments besides read more. Frustrating.
If you were interested in surgery, I'd invite you accross the street to Methodist to hang out with us . As it so happens, I'm actually on the UT Trauma service for another week, and am twiddling my thumbs on SDN until sign out in one of your call rooms XD.
I just don't see the point in the behavior you described. We aren't going to attract good students to surgery, we aren't going to teach anyone skills by being negative and abusive. It is just pointless and it is very unfortunate =/.
Mimelim, you sound like an awesome resident. I met maybe one other resident like you on my 2 months of surgery. I have no interest in surgery and still have no clue how to tie most knots etc, but if someone had just shown me one time without slapping my hand or belittling me in front of the attending and scrub techs, I would have practiced and tried my best to be useful/at least get something out of being in the OR. I really like reading how you deal with students; sounds like you're a great teacher.
If you guys could pick one book that is the most important to learn during M3 what would it be?
Step up to medicine? Step up to medicine step 2? First Aid for step 2? First Aid for the wards?
Basically is there an equivalent to first aid for step 1?
If you guys could pick one book that is the most important to learn during M3 what would it be?
Step up to medicine? Step up to medicine step 2? First Aid for step 2? First Aid for the wards?
Basically is there an equivalent to first aid for step 1?
Thanks for the feedback.There's generally a good book or combo for every rotation.
Surgery=pestana + nms casebook
Psych=first aid for psych
Neuro=blueprints neuro
Peds=brs peds (in my opinion, though it's long)
Ob/gyn=blueprints ob/gyn
IM=step up to medicine
Then do UWorld for each before the shelf. presto. done.
there's generally a good book or combo for every rotation.
Surgery=pestana + nms casebook
psych=first aid for psych
neuro=blueprints neuro
peds=brs peds (in my opinion, though it's long)
ob/gyn=blueprints ob/gyn
im=step up to medicine
then do uworld for each before the shelf. Presto. Done.
There's generally a good book or combo for every rotation.
Surgery=pestana + nms casebook
Psych=first aid for psych
Neuro=blueprints neuro
Peds=brs peds (in my opinion, though it's long)
Ob/gyn=blueprints ob/gyn
IM=step up to medicine
Then do UWorld for each before the shelf. presto. done.
Very good synopsis of books.
I've also heard Casefiles for ob/gyn is good, and I personally used casefiles for IM as well.
Used casefiles for peds too, but I did turrible on the shelf.
If you guys could pick one book that is the most important to learn during M3 what would it be?
Step up to medicine? Step up to medicine step 2? First Aid for step 2? First Aid for the wards?
Basically is there an equivalent to first aid for step 1?
There's generally a good book or combo for every rotation.
Surgery=pestana + nms casebook
Psych=first aid for psych
Neuro=blueprints neuro
Peds=brs peds (in my opinion, though it's long)
Ob/gyn=blueprints ob/gyn
IM=step up to medicine
Then do UWorld for each before the shelf. presto. done.