Snack WWars (Game Thread)

[SARdoghandler]

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I've decided to focus on scream's possible packmates first. No apologies for all the wall posts you all will get to skim through

 

[SARdoghandler]

(I should never be left to my own devices. Maybe there's someone in dead chat cheering me on tho)
Also I just spent 2 minutes trying to fix the gif and it didn't work so you'll just need to quote it to see it

 

[_rae_]

(I should never be left to my own devices. Maybe there's someone in dead chat cheering me on tho)
Also I just spent 2 minutes trying to fix the gif and it didn't work so you'll just need to quote it to see it

I’m sorry I’m pulling teeth out of cadaver heads but I’m cheering you on!

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/beans interactions pt 1, SQB edition

I think Samac did this in the last game and they were a wolf

Edit: name correction

First direct interaction with beans

I don't think that happened.
If she was a jester, wouldn't she WANT to be yeeted?

Pushing back against the idea of beans being a jester

This seems to be typical of them, at least in the games that I’ve played with them and I think they’ve been v in all of them

Incredibly noncommital read on beans here. +pairing

I saw Zenge dancing with the devil last night

This is the only other direct interaction with beans that I saw.

Absolutely nothing unpairing here

 

[Zenge142]

i got killed by beans the last time she claimed yeet avoidance (in the noob game)

troubling

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/beans interactions pt 2, beans edition

Okay there is more to evaluate here and unfortunately I think the overall vibe isn't great. Quotes are in chronilogical order and shortened to be the relevant parts about SQB only.

SQB -> I feel like I'm always wolf reading them and they're never a wolf...so idk

Very non-committal. At this point beans' reads were mostly village leans and then a bunch of idks so this didn't overly stand out in a large list.

I don't love the current wagons - spurs, rae, and samac all seem ok to me right now and I feel like SQB is easy misyeet bait.

Feeling SQB is easy misyeet. I'd have to look back at this but I also feel like scream wasn't really in contention at this point. So why the need to pull her into the conversation? +pairing

At this point, probably still SAR. Maybe clem - his comments about getting misyeeted earlier made me squint. Other than those two, everyone else seems village lean or is a nooblet/mod/player who hasn't been here for a while and I'd feel bad voting one of them out.
I guess the exceptions to that are SQB, kitz, and apop but I'm pretty sure all three of them always give me wolf vibes even when they are village.

When asked who she would want to yeet, this was the answer. Still noncommittal on scream. Also noticing a trend to bring up scream in combination with other players and rarely by herself.

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.

I did think about also making an "easy misyeet" category because there's a subset of players who I chronically wolfread but then they're usually never wolves (i.e kitz, SQB, apop, +/- rae) but I decided to hold off on that for now - hence why my POE ended up shaking out the way it did.

These two quotes go together as the second is justification for the first. Again, lumping scream into a category. Beans finally commits to putting scream in the POE here but it's a wide POE. Not unpairing, this could easily be distancing.

I went back and forth on SQB and clem. I initially had them in the yellow category too but ultimately decided to put them in the top of POE (like borderline red/yellow) instead because I don't feel as strongly that they are reading village as zenge/rae/kitz. Clem's comments on misyeets early D1 were a little odd and I'm taking into consideration that samac and spurs were both a little unsure of SQB before they died.

Backpedalling a bit when pushed on the read. Now saying scream is there because of the samac and spurs sus.

Apop and SQB were the only two voting for samac at EOD. I don't love that apop was sussing both spurs and samac so hard. I'm side eying SQB a bit too here

This could also be distancing because it's a pretty soft push, still not committing. Not unpairing.

Um I don't think I love the shooting SQB idea...like I'm not village reading her either but it feels risky to shoot when we are getting so close to parity

Voting to NOT shoot scream.

sqb - She's definitely more active (with reads and such) than in previous games and I don't know what to make of that. I know other players have mentioned her vibes being off - I haven't noticed that as much but I intend to go back and iso her to see if I agree.

STILL noncommittal. I think we're too far into the game now to be relying solely on other players takes to create the POE

Conclusion:
There is nothing unpairing here, and a few pairing type interactions. Feeling somewhat worse about beans looking at this whole thing. Reminder that she could potentially be an alpha if she is a wolf.

 

[vampyrica]

troubling

good catch!

 

[vampyrica]

unyeet dubZ
yeet SQB

@kaydubs

 

[vampyrica]

@vampyrica Thank you for your service of claiming because now I don't have to do pair analysis with you because apparently that's going to be my trauma hyperfixation today

glad to have been of assistance 🫡

 

[vampyrica]

so whether we pick SQB, or beans today, i think both are a hit.

if anyone has a magic bullet and would like to use it, i approve

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/dubz interactions pt 1, SQB edition:

Okay I'm detecting a pattern that I'm likely going to conclude that scream hasn't really unpaired herself from anyone But anyway, here are all the interactions between scream/dubz from the scream perspective. Mostly it's some superficial back and forth about fruit and then some joking back and forth about dubz thinking about voting scream

Pretty sure I have. I feel like every game they've come under suspicion.

Like I said, this is a gut feeling. If I'm wrong I will fully eat my hat

Maybe it's just something I haven't squared with the fluffiness I associate with him

Dubz is scary, I wouldn't want to be on the business end of that shot....

That logics out, even if the outcome was poor.

There was not enough water in the office coffee maker, therefore DubZ is a WOLFFFFFFF

Moving target hard to hit

Dubz, it's the middle of the day, I beg

I'm not sure I see the point in that. Also, if I was wolfing, wouldn't my ultimate goal to get to the end for my first game as a wolf? Because then people would take me seriously?

Nothing explicitly pairing or unpairing here

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR is gonna yell at me because we haven't flipped any scum yet but I am curious what kind of pairing possibilities are out there

lol

 

[kitzsuna]

So Sqb is the yeet for today is what I’m seeing?

God this had better be a hit

 

[Clem J]

okay well i have an early flight tomorrow so i need to pack and whine down and i’d like to…relax..so i’ll drop my info and gradually make my way out so i can get some sleep.

i’m the other mason, spurs and i were the “mnmasons” because we both picked mnms. reason why i thought spurs was not nk by a wolf was because before he died, in our chat, he said (paraphrasing as to not break rules) “if i die, it wasnt a wolf”.

another individual has also opened a side chat with me. i will not name drop them, but someone opened a side chat with me. idk if it was wolfy or villagey though. we agreed on quite a few things, and brainstormed a possible pack.

believe me or not, your choice, but you’ll feel pretty silly when i flip village mason and lose another villager. if you wanna hand the game to the wolves with 0 effort, hey, that’s your choice! no judgement here. but if you wanna win, you kinda need village numbers.

IM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/dubz interactions pt 2, Dubz edition
So some of my own personal biases here: Typically I would expect Dubz as wolf to generally avoid bussing unless it's inevitable, though not to the point that she'd never put a nothing vote on a packmate. I'd also expect wolf!Dubz to be going for a wolf stomp if possible.

Really?? Mr. Never Read Scream Wrong??

Pointing out that clem might be starting to sus scream. Wouldn't expect wolf!Dubz to point this out if scream is her packmate

I don't think Zenge wanted you to move off of scream, I was getting the feeling he wanted me to move over there with you guys

Sort of the same vibe as above. If scream was a packmate, why point this out?

I guess in my universe I'm looking at beans/rae/scream +/- vampy ???

chic could in theory be a serial killer (anyone could be a serial killer)


I'm not sure how I feel about that POE now that I'm looking at it

Scream in the POE but then wishy washy on it. This could be distancing.

And yesterday you said the same thing about scream!

Again pointing out changing reads on scream, keeping her in the yeet discussion.

I was being a bit facetious, but Zenge and chic were also voting there yesterday and gave no indication their read there had changed. I hadn't seen anyone say they were town reading her.

Still keeping the conversation going on scream

Same tbh

I was at

POE:
scream
beans
rae
vampy

Village:
chic
kitz
SAR
Clem
Zenge

With some space for most people in my village pile to be a serial killer or something lol

Consistent POE, putting scream at the top now.

I'll start out with

yeet scream

@kaydubs

First vote for scream today. If she was packed with scream, I would have expected her to start moving sus away from scream and try to potentially push Clem or Zenge instead. While at this point scream seems the obvious choice, I don't think that was necessarily the case when this vote was placed.

That's not the same thing. And I have actual reasons to have eyebrowed at apop.

I think this quote ended up out of order, not sure. This was part of a back and forth with Zenge about Dubz being willing to vote apop but not scream because she didn't want to start a late flashwagon. This is a bit more potentially wolfy but I think the overall context here pushes away from a pairing


Conclusions:
Not impossible to be paired, but unlikely

 

[SARdoghandler]

So Sqb is the yeet for today is what I’m seeing?

God this had better be a hit

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion but I think we have reasonable suspicions there. I'm hoping my pair analysis work will help strengthen the argument and give direction for where to go next

 

[SARdoghandler]

These take so long

 

[vampyrica]

IM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME

i think this is genuine clem-thusiasm

 

[kitzsuna]

These take so long

 

[Clem J]

I'm going back to bed but I'm looking forward to later now

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/kitz interactions pt 1/1, this is short edition

SQB --> Kitz

The entirety of their interactions from the scream end is just answering questions. Nothing unpairing, no reads that I could find.

Spoiler: Quotes, no commentary because it feels unnecessary

A third party, not village, not wolf.

When I asked to be modkilled, my roll was revealed when my death was announced

Zenge

By George, I think Kitz got it

We still have that redacted and question mark flip

Where did this info come from?

kitz --> SQB

Scream apop and Rae are leaning most v for me along with snack who I’m tempted to lock v

Puts scream into village pile early on. Could put a packmate here, hidden in a grouping.

I fear we may need to look closer at SAR/sqb/clem/dubz/zenge not necessarily in any order but I think that is where some wolves are hiding

Questioning read but not unpairing.

I’m not fully convinced that’s where my yeet would land tomorrow, but I would not be strongly opposed to another bullet there either

Response to the shooting scream question. A bit wishy washy, not unpairing.

Zenge/clem/screams

Though you are making me squint real hard cause I can’t tell if you’re joking or not about not shooting

Oh I forgot SAR. who I’m also squinting at trying to decide if this is wolf mom

Current POE. I don't feel this is unpairing.

True, and those are sketch af

Responding to scream directly


Conclusion:
There is nothing unpairing on either side I believe. However, I do not think the kitz side is particularly damning here - does feel like natural progression. Willing to re-evaluate my village read here if we do get a wolf flip on scream.

 

[SARdoghandler]

My Internet just got really slow and I stg if the Internet goes out when I am EFFORT POSTING I will RIOT

 

[beans2020]

dang SAR really beat me to the pair analysis lol

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/rae interactions pt 1, SQB edition

Ok rae/SQB is interesting. Because she yeets rae here:

Yeet Rae
@kaydubs

With this justification:

Would you accept gut feeling?

However this was shortly before the flashwagon onto me. Which, she quickly got off rae and onto me instead

UNYEET RAE
@kaydubs
sorrysoory I forgot

So I dug deeper into the tally when that vote was made and it was 5-4 apop and rae. So this vote actually pushed rae back up into the tie. Now, we don't know what kind of wolf SQB is because we've never seen her wolf before. But this doesn't feel like what you do to a packmate when the overall game is going in your favour. Scream's switch onto me may have also been more self prez as scream had popped up onto the board by that time.

Here are the rest of the relevant scream posts about rae:

You can be wrong, that's allowed

I am not

With her track record, probably her

Back and forth/answering questions

Was this D1? I'm never super active on D1, Spurs finds it suspicious AND I'm playing through Chain Of Memories and sorry, KH takes priority over everything


I did say I was pattern testing, that takes me away from my computer and I'm not constantly refreshing SDN

Spoiler: Pattern Testing Evidence

View attachment 415164

I think that was 1 (one) joke post? Hardly "It's mostly been 'I'll avenge' apop" WHICH I also said about Fruit because he flipped village.

I'm also at work and my bandwidth is currently devoted to Vendors and meetings with people I don't like.
So.... Hate to say you're barking up the wrong lesbian

(always lovingly)

Response to rae's case on her. I think this is the most defensive I've seen scream this game. Possibly wolf theater but I don't think that fits the overall pattern

Very little solving for the average player or very little solving for me?

Girl Im reading them!

Is it an odd thing to say? Or is it the dream of every highly competitive werewolf player?

More poking back and forth, nothing unpairing



Conclusion:
I think that the positioning of the yeet vote from scream on rae is likely unpairing. If they are pack, I'd be surprised tbh. It would be a seriously deepwolf move to push your packmate in a tie when that could push them over in the end.

 

[SARdoghandler]

dang SAR really beat me to the pair analysis lol

Sorry you're probably a wolf now

 

[SARdoghandler]

Sorry you're probably a wolf now

But actually feel free to also apply your thoughts to the pairings I'm analyzing haha

 

[beans2020]

I saw Zenge dancing with the devil last night

what does this mean??

 

[kitzsuna]

@screamqueenbee I feel like if you have a way to clear yourself from a yeet ya gotta pull it out

 

[beans2020]

I want to give SQB a chance to answer our questions about the zenge thing.
However.
SAR's analysis so far is making me think we may be on the right track with SQB - namely because she is unpaired with a few players and I feel like that increases our chances of her being a hit

 

[kitzsuna]

I guess my only reservation with SQB being yeeted is that I’m a bit more worried about a zenge and or Clem possibility. Idk. Theyre probably all hits I’m jus nervous 😭

 

[reddeadrobin]

Hey I'm hiding from the Broadcast students in my office so I finally have time to get on.

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/rae interactions pt 2, rae edition

So my overall impression is that rae is village (though this wasn't the goal of the exercise_ and unpaired from SQB (excepting some deep wolfing). Rae's progression on scream looks really good and there are multiple times where rae keeps scream in the conversation when she wouldn't have to.

SQB feels pretty normal to me, so does apop, but again, I feel like that means nothing

Starts out non-committal

SQB has seemed solve-y to me.

Then starts a village lean

Alright, I'm going to ISO people throughout the day.

Scream: 3 pages of posts.

Spoiler

^This is scream's first real contribution, Saturday at 7:32 pm. Most of the previous engagement had been with me and spurs over mac and peas.





So this was after Samac recommended Beans should RR about 1h10m to close. Beans suggested Samac was fishing, and scream seemed to agree.


scream town reads Beans post non-yeet



scream seemed to be (reluctantly) town reading Zenge and had a similar response to Fruit's pushback as I did.


After fruit died, scream had been pretty quiet. There was some chit chat about a whole lot of nothing. I know I was becoming the consensus vote, but this feels like scream popped in, threw a vote out, and then didn't really add much. Zenge said it was interesting and Chic demanded an explanation, to which scream said "gut feeling".

I went back and forth with some people, and Clem, who has put me on some kind of village pedestal suddenly voted SAR. That's when the chain of SAR votes seems to start. Zenge put a scream vote up and scream hopped on the SAR, abandoning her "gut feeling.

Since then it's mostly been "I'll avenge" apop.

tldr this does not make me feel great about scream. I see very little solving, parroting reads and votes with the populous.

Okay so, some WIFOM. If you are packmates, why choose your first iso to be a packmate? And then to make an argument for them to be scum from that iso. Scream had very little consistent sus at this stage. This doesn't feel paired.

I'm always barking at lesbians, so I'm bound to be wrong sometimes


I haven't played with you for a minute. So..... both?

I'm assuming this isn't at me. I'm not saying the nap is sus, I'm saying that coming in post nap, not catching up, and jumping on clem is weird. I don't like Kitz voting pattern.

Unless you're talking about my first quote for you. I'm just more so noting an 1h30m to close and being like "sup fam who am I voting for" was a bit odd
and a tactic I used as a wolf

General back and forth

Listen I don't feel good about screams but I also don't know that I'm ready for you to just kablam her, y'know????

I still haven't even looked at half of you!

Doesn't want to shoot screams, not unpairing

Hmmmmmmmm this is an odd thing to say

Keeping scream in the conversation, not necessary if packmates. Unpairing.

This is your idea of everyone was saying vote scream tomorrow when two of these posts are you?

Same as above

Thoughts after ISOs:
W: zenge, scream, dubz, vampy
Village: SAR, kits, beans, clem

Keeping scream in the POE and taking clem out. If scream is a wolf, then clem/zenge/dubz/vampy feel like who would likely be set up for the misyeet so why take clem out arbitrarily if packmates?

……

Yeah my poe is dubz, Clem, scream, Zenge.

Happy to follow beans and SAR’s lead.

Hey these pockets are nice

Takes vampy out of POE after claim, slides Clem back in. Not unpairing.

Scream if I’m wrong about you, and I’m wrong about vampy, and I’m wrong about dubz, that leaves Clem and Zenge and that’s too small of a POE so who else am I wrong about

Conclusion:
I think again, this pairing is possible but unlikely from rae's side. I wish rae had put a vote on scream at some point because then I'd be more confident on it. But pairing this analysis with scream's handling of rae and I don't think we have a scream/rae world

 

[_rae_]

I’m so far in SAR’s pocket at this point that I found a receipt from 2011 smh my typo ruined my joke

 

[SARdoghandler]

Hey I'm hiding from the Broadcast students in my office so I finally have time to get on.

Sorry for the 20 million quotation tags I'm sure you're getting

 

[SARdoghandler]

I’m so far in SAR’s pocket at this point that a receipt from 2011

Not even unlikely tbh depending on the coat

 

[SARdoghandler]

Also if anyone and I mean

ANYONE

Tries to use this later as an example of my village game I will make you my policy yeet for all time. This is a culmination of external factors leading me to be a beacon of village integrity. It's like the orange cat braincell is in my possession, it will not return for many years. Everyone got that?

 

[_rae_]

I’m sold

Yeet sqb

@kaydubs

Scream if you’re a wolf FABULOUS job

 

[Zenge142]

If I'm wrong I will fully eat my hat

Ahem

 

[reddeadrobin]

Sorry for the 20 million quotation tags I'm sure you're getting

It's all good.
Broadcast student update: they found my not-secret-secret bathroom and now I will never know peace again.

 

[reddeadrobin]

yall gotta let me get a coffee and catch up on all of this.

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/zenge interactions pt 1, SQB edition


There are two very distinct tones of scream's handling of zenge. Phase one was joking:

Zenge is a wolf. Pork rings are elite

Zenge, you haven’t felt particularly wolfy this game, what’s up?

I love your moves, you funky little dude

View attachment 415101

Don't make me pull out the Bucky picture

Then, sudden tone shift to wanting to shoot and (maybe) claiming some form of red check on zenge:

Zenge

Zenge's a wolf, or something.
I can say this with me usual 1000% certainty

I saw Zenge dancing with the devil last night

Conclusion:
Up until those last 3 posts, there was absolutely nothing to unpair scream from zenge in her posts. These last 3 posts do feel somewhat unpairing. If you are a wolf gonna claim a red check, I don't think you claim it on a packmate at this stage. Going with unpaired.

 

[SARdoghandler]

SQB/zenge interactions pt 2, zenge edition

Just need your vote fam. That’s our best weapon!

Jokey, relaxed, not unpairing

Interesting

That’s very interesting

Response from zenge to scream's rae vote. This is not how zenge treats a packmate. Unpairing.

Yeet SCB

@kaydubs

Yeah idk. SQB is not the same vibe as last game.

I can’t put my finger on it.

It’s what I’m musing on, and where I’d look if it was SQB

Again, this is not how zenge treats a packmate in a near wolf-stomp state.

Conclusion:
Confidently unpaired

 

[reddeadrobin]

I’m not opposed but I want a true rr from scream about Zenge. I’m a thick skulled smarty pants who does not notice softing I need to be beaten over the head with it

I'm a (the?) tracker and I saw Zenge visit Chic last night.
And now Chic's dead as a doornail so...

 

[SARdoghandler]

Current pairing analysis update:

Hopefully the colour coding makes sense. First column is the person who's posts I was looking at. I feel like it's pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Zenge142]

I'll buy your drinks at the Furball if you flip village

Ahem!

 

[SARdoghandler]

I'm a (the?) tracker and I saw Zenge visit Chic last night.
And now Chic's dead as a doornail so...

s i g h

Well I guess I'll do zenge pairings next to help decide who I think is more likely the tricksy woof

 

[reddeadrobin]

Ahem!

The joke is that the Furball has an open bar

 

[vampyrica]

I'm a (the?) tracker and I saw Zenge visit Chic last night.
And now Chic's dead as a doornail so...

….

 

[reddeadrobin]

@Zenge142

 

[reddeadrobin]

Ahem

You don't know that I didn't eat a hat, you're not in my purse even though there is room and snacks