So...How many texas applicants that didn't match will take the D.O. route?

[MrBoxy]

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just out of curiousity, for those that didn't match...
Are ya gonna give D.O. schools a shot now? or wait till next round and apply again to TEXAS and have D.O. as a back up plan?

 

[UserNameNeeded]

I think doing the "D.O. route" as a back up is no back up, LOL. It should have been part of your first assualt-- I interviewed everywhere (in and out of state, MD and DO and assorted combinations MBA, PhD <-- LOL @ that)-- and I treated the DO schools as seriously as the MD schools and consistently, during the entire interview process, the DO schools' admissions offices were on point, the interview days were flawless and I came away with newfound respect for this misunderstood branch of medicine.

It's the same thing as allopathy, I don't care how it's dressed up! Osteopathy is like everything allopathy is, plus a couple of very minor things that don't amount to that big of a deal. People are foolish if they didn't match and didn't apply to one of the TX DO schools (is there more than one?) or any DO schools for that matter.

If your final destination is to be a physician, a D.O. degree won't mean anything different than a M.D. degree. It's like someone who got a Bachelor's Degree in Biology versus someone who got a Bachelor's in English. In the end, it doesn't make a difference, your both gonna be among the lowest paid once you get into the job market (unless you go to grad school).

I know so many snotty, elitist airheads at my university and from the interviews at the MD schools that turned their noses up and said "D.O. just doesn't do it for me..." and then now they're not matched ANYWHERE while I matched at a DO school and got accepted to a couple of MD schools. It sucks for those losers, but they had it coming. 👎

 

[TheMightyAngus]

If your final destination is to be a physician, a D.O. degree won't mean anything different than a M.D. degree.

Maybe if your only goal is to be a primary care provider. Hell you could become a PA or a NP for that! Read the residency forums. DO's get screwed when it comes to competing with MD's for the match.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Maybe if your only goal is to be a primary care provider. Hell you could become a PA or a NP for that! Read the residency forums. DO's get screwed when it comes to competing with MD's for the match.

I think they only get "screwed" if they apply to an allopathic residency and even then, its not entirely true. And if you've read the DO forums you'll find that DO's go into all specialties. Yes, a large percentage go the PCP route, but all specialties are represented by DO graduates. If you truly want to become a physician, you don't mind what route it takes to get there, or what the letters are after your name.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Maybe if your only goal is to be a primary care provider. Hell you could become a PA or a NP for that! Read the residency forums. DO's get screwed when it comes to competing with MD's for the match.

That's a pretty simplistic answer based on a few posts. DOs do have trouble matching in super competitive allopathic residencies and general surgery for some reason. However, there are osteopathic residencies in all those fields like derm, radiology, opthal, etc., so DOs can do those things. Also, DOs seem to have no trouble matching in lots of non-primary care fields like neurology, ob/gyn, pm&r, psych, etc. Look at DO match lists before making such a blanket statement. At most DO schools, about 50% of students go into non-primary care fields.

 

[BSR1]

I think they only get "screwed" if they apply to an allopathic residency and even then, its not entirely true. And if you've read the DO forums you'll find that DO's go into all specialties. Yes, a large percentage go the PCP route, but all specialties are represented by DO graduates. If you truly want to become a physician, you don't mind what route it takes to get there, or what the letters are after your name.

In Texas, DOs match EVERYWHERE that MDs match, no matter the specialty...we have plenty here at TCOM that match at John Hopkin's, Southwestern, ect. Plus you can choose to match osteopathic, which means more options. Most here go allopathic in Texas because there are more spots. All that matters are grades, rewiews and board scores enough said 🙂

 

[MrBoxy]

I didn't mean to start a discussion between M.D. Vs D.O. Instead, I'm trying to get a consensus of the # people that have been turned down by TX schools that will start considering outter state D.O. schools as an altenative route.

the truth is, a lot of TX applicants do not consider outter state D.O. schools until they feel that they will not matriculate in TX. But now that the match is over and the dust settled, I just want to know if these applicants will flood the AACOMAS or they're gonna give TMDSAS another shot. 🙂

 

[chaeymaey]

I'm gonna give TMDSAS another shot. I had checked off TCOM on my primary, but my mom wouldn't let me fill out the secondary because we have relatives who are MDs and all they do is dog on DOs. I don't agree with them, but she was very adamant that I not apply DO this time around. But I know that the second time I will apply to TCOM wholeheartedly. I think my mom will have learned her lesson by then that a doctor is a doctor, no matter what.

 

[OSUdoc08]

just out of curiousity, for those that didn't match...
Are ya gonna give D.O. schools a shot now? or wait till next round and apply again to TEXAS and have D.O. as a back up plan?

The D.O. school in Texas is more competitive than some of the M.D. schools.

 

[BSR1]

The D.O. school in Texas is more competitive than some of the M.D. schools.

true that...The fact is, to be a doctor you need to get in to "A" med School. The rest is up to you Definitely look into all your options and be open mind, you might like the DO school better.

 

[anon-y-mouse]

The D.O. school in Texas is more competitive than some of the M.D. schools.

That sounds pretty far-fetched. Stats?

 

[BSR1]

That sounds pretty far-fetched. Stats?

For our class avg MCAT was 28 and GPA 3.51..and these stats get higher each year and are as, if not more competetive than other Texas schools.

 

[MrBoxy]

Sorry for the confusion, I don't mean by "having D.O. as a back up plan" as using TCOM ask a back up plan. Honestly, I treat TCOM like an M.D. school, or just as competitive.

What I meant is having outter state D.O. schools as back up, because the truth is, you won't go no where in TX with a 25 MCAT and 3.3 GPAs, but you'll get into 75% of the outter state D.O. schools.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Sorry for the confusion, I don't mean by "having D.O. as a back up plan" as using TCOM ask a back up plan. Honestly, I treat TCOM like an M.D. school, or just as competitive.

What I meant is having outter state D.O. schools as back up, because the truth is, you won't go no where in TX with a 25 MCAT and 3.3 GPAs, but you'll get into 75% of the outter state D.O. schools.

Ah HA! Its all becoming clearer now......

 

[OSUdoc08]

That sounds pretty far-fetched. Stats?

I interviewed at MD schools in Texas, but did not recieve an interview at TCOM.

I had a 28 MCAT (29 if you average the best scores.)

 

[TheMightyAngus]

That's a pretty simplistic answer based on a few posts. DOs do have trouble matching in super competitive allopathic residencies and general surgery for some reason. However, there are osteopathic residencies in all those fields like derm, radiology, opthal, etc., so DOs can do those things. Also, DOs seem to have no trouble matching in lots of non-primary care fields like neurology, ob/gyn, pm&r, psych, etc. Look at DO match lists before making such a blanket statement. At most DO schools, about 50% of students go into non-primary care fields.

Many would classify the above specialties as quasi-primary care. You aren't going to see many DO's match into neursurgery, plastics, ortho, rad onc, etc. There aren't any DO-specific residency programs for these specialties. You have to compete with all the MD's.

If a given program accepts 5 residents a year, what are the chances that the program is going to take a DO student over the surplus of fully-qualified high-achieving MD students? Practically zero. Maybe some superstar DO will match every blue moon. But definitely not the average joe schmo who couldn't get accepted into an allopathic program and now wants to be an orthopedist.

I'm not trying to bag DO's. I think they're important part of healthcare. But if you think you want to do something remotely competitive, you need to keep improving your stats and get into an MD program. DO's and MD's are not equal. The vast majority of applicants don't pass up allopathic schools for osteopathic schools. Being a DO will limit your career choices.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I'm not trying to bag DO's. I think they're important part of healthcare. But if you think you want to do something remotely competitive, you need to keep improving your stats and get into an MD program. DO's and MD's are not equal. The vast majority of applicants don't pass up allopathic schools for osteopathic schools. Being a DO will limit your career choices.

You're not trying to, but you just did. You also did a nice job of bashing primary care physicians above. 🙄

 

[MrBoxy]

Please don't post in this thread if you're bashing M.D. or D.O. Again, this is not a M.D. vs. D.O thread. The match for texas applicants came out today. So, I am trying to get a consensus of the # of people from TEXAS that are going to apply to outter state D.O. schools, and the # of people that are gonna give Texas schools another shot.

So far, one person answered my question. Thanks!!! 🙂

The reason why this issue is important is because this is something a lot of rejected applicants will have to decide in the next few days. It would be helpful to know what most people are doing.

Again, don't post M.D. vs D.O in here. Heck, don't post if you're not from TX cause you probably don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[medhacker]

Many would classify the above specialties as quasi-primary care. You aren't going to see many DO's match into neursurgery, plastics, ortho, rad onc, etc. There aren't any DO-specific residency programs for these specialties. You have to compete with all the MD's.

Are you really this misinformed?

hahaha I mean you really believe that?

do you want to see the osteopathic residencies in neuro, ortho and plastics?

 

[TheMightyAngus]

You're not trying to, but you just did. You also did a nice job of bashing primary care physicians above. 🙄

Whatever. You have a pretty sensitive definition of bashing.

 

[medhacker]

I'm gonna give TMDSAS another shot. I had checked off TCOM on my primary, but my mom wouldn't let me fill out the secondary because we have relatives who are MDs and all they do is dog on DOs. I don't agree with them, but she was very adamant that I not apply DO this time around. But I know that the second time I will apply to TCOM wholeheartedly. I think my mom will have learned her lesson by then that a doctor is a doctor, no matter what.

are you under 18 chaeymaey. I can't think of many other reasons why your mom would get to decide where you apply or not. 😕

 

[TheMightyAngus]

Are you really this misinformed?

hahaha I mean you really believe that?

do you want to see the osteopathic residencies in neuro, ortho and plastics?

My post was in response to a poster who expressed a lack of reason why DO's didn't match into "ultracompetitive allopathic residencies and general surgery."

I dont see how I'm misinformed.

 

[MrBoxy]

Moderator:
Please kill this thread as it no longer serves its purpose!

 

[Itoohaveadream]

So.. out of curiousity.. when did the matches come out?

 

[medhacker]

My post was in response to a poster who expressed a lack of reason why DO's didn't match into "ultracompetitive allopathic residencies and general surgery."

I dont see how I'm misinformed.

did you mean to say there are no osteo residencies in orthopedics, neuro, pastics etc? that is what I gathered from something you wrote. If that is the case then I can show you that is just not true.

 

[tkdusb]

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[TheMightyAngus]

did you mean to say there are no osteo residencies in orthopedics, neuro, pastics etc? that is what I gathered from something you wrote. If that is the case then I can show you that is just not true.

Perhaps in osteopathic hospitals. But not at the major medical centers.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Perhaps in osteopathic hospitals. But not at the major medical centers.

Please provide us with a list of said "major medical centers."

I didn't realize this was an objective determination.

🙄

 

[anon-y-mouse]

you don't just go into osteopathy thinking you're going to have the same odds of becoming a neurosurgeon as your MD counterparts (for example). i don't see what's so confusing about that, that it should require differences of opinion, subjective or objective or otherwise. for whatever reason, a DO's bastion is primary care or closely-related "primary care"-ish fields, as themightyangus astutely pointed out.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

Please provide us with a list of said "major medical centers."

I didn't realize this was an objective determination.

🙄

This is ridiculous. You don't see osteopathic orthopedists at UCSF, MGH, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Stanford, etc. DO's aren't pursuing hand fellowships, performing total knee replacements or doing spine decompressions. An osteo orthopedist is not the same as an allopathic orthopedist. Osteopaths are more closely related to podiatrists than MD's.

 

[tkdusb]

This is ridiculous. You don't see osteopathic orthopedists at UCSF, MGH, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Stanford, etc. DO's aren't pursuing hand fellowships, performing total knee replacements or doing spine decompressions. An osteo orthopedist is not the same as an allopathic orthopedist. Osteopaths are more closely related to podiatrists than MD's.

Oh man you are gonna get a haterade shower from the DO students on this board.

MDs and DOs are equal guys. They've got the exact same average requirements for entrance and they're both equally respected throughout the world. That's why everyone is pre-DO when they start college now.

 

[medhacker]

This is ridiculous. You don't see osteopathic orthopedists at UCSF, MGH, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Stanford, etc. DO's aren't pursuing hand fellowships, performing total knee replacements or doing spine decompressions. An osteo orthopedist is not the same as an allopathic orthopedist. Osteopaths are more closely related to podiatrists than MD's.

Ok since you asked:


About.com (a respectable info. site) states that if you wish to become an orthopedic surgeon you can choose the MD or DO route and they state no difference between the two
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/ht/orthopedic.htm


Total knee replacement surgery
http://hipandkneedoc.com/cv.html

spinal decompressions
http://www.spineuniverse.com/mdpage.php?doctorID=2374


Orthopedic surgeon DO in cleveland clinic florida
http://sck.clevelandclinic.org/florida/physicians/physicians.asp?location=weston&department=27

Vascular surgeon at MGH
http://www.massgeneral.org/vascularsurgery/doctors/jaff.htm

Hand surgeons
http://www.newjerseyhandcenter.com/nhc-ames.htm

Let me know if you want another area of medicine where DOs have also excelled 😎

 

[UserNameNeeded]

I think it's hilarious reading these DO versus MD threads because it highlights the ignorance of so many people who are supposedly educated and informed. I'm glad they're all going to MD schools or flunking out to other fields instead of corrupting the healthy, progressive branch of medicine: osteopathy!

 

[Doctor Bagel]

This is ridiculous. You don't see osteopathic orthopedists at UCSF, MGH, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Stanford, etc. DO's aren't pursuing hand fellowships, performing total knee replacements or doing spine decompressions. An osteo orthopedist is not the same as an allopathic orthopedist. Osteopaths are more closely related to podiatrists than MD's.

I seriously cannot believe you made this last post. It does illustrate just how ignorant you are about osteopathic medicine and about what do's do. Hopefully, no one takes your misinformed advice. Perhaps you should do some research.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

Ok since you asked:


About.com (a respectable info. site) states that if you wish to become an orthopedic surgeon you can choose the MD or DO route and they state no difference between the two
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/ht/orthopedic.htm


Total knee replacement surgery
http://hipandkneedoc.com/cv.html

spinal decompressions
http://www.spineuniverse.com/mdpage.php?doctorID=2374


Orthopedic surgeon DO in cleveland clinic florida
http://sck.clevelandclinic.org/florida/physicians/physicians.asp?location=weston&department=27

Vascular surgeon at MGH
http://www.massgeneral.org/vascularsurgery/doctors/jaff.htm

Hand surgeons
http://www.newjerseyhandcenter.com/nhc-ames.htm

Let me know if you want another area of medicine where DOs have also excelled 😎

Yes all of the above are DO's, but they did their residencies with allopathic programs. None of your examples completed osteo-specific residencies. I didn't say it was impossible for DO's to go into highly competitive programs, just very unlikely. And on a side note, your spine guy doesn't actually do the surgery, he's more of a therapist.

 

[medhacker]

Yes all of the above are DO's, but they did their residencies with allopathic programs. None of your examples completed osteo-specific residencies. I didn't say it was impossible for DO's to go into highly competitive programs, just very unlikely. And on a side note, your spine guy doesn't actually do the surgery, he's more of a therapist.

You are hilarious!

I think most reasonable individuals would agree you are humiliating yourself by not trowing in the towel and admitting you should have done a bit more research.

Look at some of the things you said before:

This is ridiculous. You don't see osteopathic orthopedists at UCSF, MGH, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Stanford, etc. DO's aren't pursuing hand fellowships, performing total knee replacements or doing spine decompressions. An osteo orthopedist is not the same as an allopathic orthopedist. Osteopaths are more closely related to podiatrists than MD's.

Would you like me to post more osteopathic orthopedic surgeons doing exactly what their allopathic colleagues were trained to do? I can also post DOs in the above mentioned specialties who went osteopathic all the way. I can either post them or you can research it on your own. Once again, your call...

 

[Doctor Bagel]

You are hilarious!

I think most reasonable individuals would agree you are humiliating yourself by not trowing in the towel and admitting you should have done a bit more research.

Look at some of the things you said before:




Would you like me to post more osteopathic orthopedic surgeons doing exactly what their allopathic colleagues were trained to do? I can also post DOs in the above mentioned specialties who went osteopathic all the way. I can either post them or you can research it on your own. Once again, your call...

Thank you, Medhacker, for nailing it. First Angus is claiming DOs can't/don't do certain procedures. Then, he's claiming, yeah, sure, they do, but it doesn't matter because they trained at an osteopathic institution. He's just a basher, so whatever.

I think everyone is willing to concede that DOs do encounter some biases in certain allopathic programs. However, claiming that DOs don't do things like total knee replacements is just ludicrous. DOs are present in virtually every medical field and do every procedure. Being a DO doesn't mean you're doomed to do FP in some backwater town.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

I seriously cannot believe you made this last post. It does illustrate just how ignorant you are about osteopathic medicine and about what do's do. Hopefully, no one takes your misinformed advice. Perhaps you should do some research.

The distinction between osteopathic medicine and allopathic medicine is not arbitrary.

http://www.doctsompdo.com/definition.htm
"Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians."

"D.O.'s practice a 'whole person' approach to medicine."

Yes, osteopaths can enter allopathic residencies and be trained in the same way as MD's. This does not mean they are practicing osteopathic medicine when they finish their training. It seems to me like all the above examples are DO's who are pursuing MD-type careers. It begs the question, why didnt they become MD's?

There's no need to be making personal insults in this discussion.

 

[MrBoxy]

I wanna thank everyone including "themightyanus" for turning my freaking thread into this nonsense!

 

[medhacker]

 

[TheMightyAngus]

You are hilarious!

I think most reasonable individuals would agree you are humiliating yourself by not trowing in the towel and admitting you should have done a bit more research.

Look at some of the things you said before:




Would you like me to post more osteopathic orthopedic surgeons doing exactly what their allopathic colleagues were trained to do? I can also post DOs in the above mentioned specialties who went osteopathic all the way. I can either post them or you can research it on your own. Once again, your call...

I wouldn't call them osteopaths if they don't practice osteopathic medicine.

 

[medhacker]

My bad, I am giving you back your thread, Go D.O.!

 

[Doctor Bagel]

The distinction between osteopathic medicine and allopathic medicine is not arbitrary.

http://www.doctsompdo.com/definition.htm
"Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians."

"D.O.'s practice a 'whole person' approach to medicine."

Yes, osteopaths can enter allopathic residencies and be trained in the same way as MD's. This does not mean they are practicing osteopathic medicine when they finish their training. It seems to me like all the above examples are DO's who are pursuing MD-type careers. It begs the question, why didnt they become MD's?

There's no need to be making personal insults in this discussion.

What can I say. I call it like I see it. You're jumping in making arbitrary distinctions and posting straight up false information about what osteopathic physicians do. Sure, there's a difference in philosophy. That doesn't mean DOs are closer to podiatrists than MD orthopedic surgeons.

It also doesn't mean that pcps have no use because PAs or NPs could do their jobs. You're the one who's being a jerk, so don't claim moral superiority here by accusing me of making insults. You're trolling, plain and simple. Otherwise, your statements would be a bit more reasonable and less ridiculous.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

What can I say. I call it like I see it. You're jumping in making arbitrary distinctions and posting straight up false information about what osteopathic physicians do. Sure, there's a difference in philosophy. That doesn't mean DOs are closer to podiatrists than MD orthopedic surgeons.

It also doesn't mean that pcps have no use because PAs or NPs could do their jobs. You're the one who's being a jerk, so don't claim moral superiority here by accusing me of making insults. You're trolling, plain and simple. Otherwise, your statements would be a bit more reasonable and less ridiculous.

It's like anon-y-mous said, people don't go to osteopathic medical school thinking that they'll eventually be doing hip replacements or vascular surgery.

An osteopathic orthopedic residency is not the same as an allopathic orthopedic residency.

You guys are basically saying that DO's and MD's are basically the same. This, by no means, is true. There are clear differences between the two types of medicine.

I also dont think it is far-fetched to say that most health professionals classify DO's in the same category as DPM's. In most medical centers, DO's and MD's are not perceived equally by health professionals.

 

[Taus]

oh pre-meds....so much to learn...

 

[medhacker]

"themightyanus"

😱

 

[Krazykritter]

The distinction between osteopathic medicine and allopathic medicine is not arbitrary.

http://www.doctsompdo.com/definition.htm
"Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians."

"D.O.'s practice a 'whole person' approach to medicine."

Yes, osteopaths can enter allopathic residencies and be trained in the same way as MD's. This does not mean they are practicing osteopathic medicine when they finish their training. It seems to me like all the above examples are DO's who are pursuing MD-type careers. It begs the question, why didnt they become MD's?

There's no need to be making personal insults in this discussion.

That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Are you trying to say that a DO performing a lap cholecystectomy did not train to do this procedure in the same way the MD did???

The difference does not lie in the initials behind your name, but in the place you received your residency training. You learn from your mentors and when it comes to getting a residency, no one will hire you if they can't stand working w/ you for 60+ hours every week. You are a competitive applicant for a residency by being just that...A COMPETITIVE APPLICANT.

 

[Raven Feather]

It's like anon-y-mous said, people don't go to osteopathic medical school thinking that they'll eventually be doing hip replacements or vascular surgery.

An osteopathic orthopedic residency is not the same as an allopathic orthopedic residency.

You guys are basically saying that DO's and MD's are basically the same. This, by no means, is true. There are clear differences between the two types of medicine.

I also dont think it is far-fetched to say that most health professionals classify DO's in the same category as DPM's. In most medical centers, DO's and MD's are not perceived equally by health professionals.

Ha, ha, ha!!! You got a lot to learn mightyanus...I mean angus! Unlatch from your mama's utter or nipple..whatever.. and quit suckling!Igonorance is bliss.

 

[ddog01]

Many would classify the above specialties as quasi-primary care. You aren't going to see many DO's match into neursurgery, plastics, ortho, rad onc, etc. There aren't any DO-specific residency programs for these specialties. You have to compete with all the MD's.

Patently false.

There are dedicated osteopathic programs in almost each of the specialties you listed. They may not have many slots, but the programs do exist, and they accept applicants every year.

Neurological Surgery: 10 programs
Plastic Surgery: 4 programs
Orthopedic Surgery: 30 programs
Radiation Oncology: no dedicated program, but possible through fellowship

FYI, there is even an osteopathic residency for pediatric radiology for which there is no allopathic counterpart.

Anyway, the point of my post is this. Please research and make sure before you post such statements. It is clearly and indisuputably false.

-D

 

[TheMightyAngus]

[/B]

Ha, ha, ha!!! You got a lot to learn mightyanus...I mean angus! Unlatch from your mama's utter or nipple..whatever.. and quit suckling!Igonorance is bliss.

Real mature. Catch you at the next DO rally...