so I am taking Orgo2 without a Orgo1......

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I took general chem like 3 years ago, and now I am taking Orgo2.... without Orgo 1, which I don't think is a good idea. And I am struggling with all the mechanisms and all the reactions.......

am thinking drop it go for Orgo 1 first......
 
Taking orgo II also and I just made a comment to my friend today how I could NEVER do well in this course if I hadn't taken them (ochem) back to back. Even just a break between would make it rough for me. Best of luck in whichever decision you make.
 
What reasoning lead to the decision to do Orgo 2 first?
 
How did you bypass the orgo 1 prerequisite?
 
Taking orgo II also and I just made a comment to my friend today how I could NEVER do well in this course if I hadn't taken them (ochem) back to back. Even just a break between would make it rough for me. Best of luck in whichever decision you make.
Thank you, I am still trying to make it up on my own to see whether that will work before the first exam. too much information is just overwhelming.
 
Sorry but taking orgo 2 before orgo 1 was a terrible idea. I'm surprised your school even let you do that.
I have one course transferred to Orgo 1, which actually was a totally different class. I don't have much time left before application, taking 1 first would add me another semester because of the schedule conflict so I decided to skip Orgo 1 and start with 2.
 
This is a bad idea. Take ochem 1 first then ochem 2. Thats why they have numbers, to tell you which order to take them
 
How did you bypass the orgo 1 prerequisite?
I have a course transferred to Orgo1, but it actually focused on different field than the Orgo in US. for example, mechanism was not required; NMR, IR, and MS were not important......
 
Bad idea.
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Drop the course.
 
How did you bypass the orgo 1 prerequisite?
got this chance accidentally..I have one course transferred to Orgo1 and actually they are different, plus I have more time this semester so I can make up for the Orgo 1, I was thinking probably it would work but now it seems like hell
 
Why would you take in the first place without taking Orgo I?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but most of the materials included in the MCAT are from the first ochem class and less from the second one. Go back and take 1 then proceed to the 2nd one.
 
I would drop this class as soon as possible. You definitely did not think this through.

@Turkishking It seems like this person did not want to delay his/her application to medical school by a year.
 
I have a course transferred to Orgo1, but it actually focused on different field than the Orgo in US. for example, mechanism was not required; NMR, IR, and MS were not important......

So you took an ochem course that didn't focus on any of the foundational concepts or tools of analysis?

Retake Ochem I for the love of all that is good because biochem is not gonna be any easier.
 
So you took an ochem course that didn't focus on any of the foundational concepts or tools of analysis?

Retake Ochem I for the love of all that is good because biochem is not gonna be any easier.
yeah, sort of that way, because of my major before was kind of engineering related, so the theory part for us was not as important as "pure" science students. the professor was just giving us a brief explanation of the mechanism, the only thing appeared on the exam ( and we only had one exam for the whole semester which was the final, so it made it much easier) was only reactions, without any question related to electron movement.
 
I would drop this class as soon as possible. You definitely did not think this through.

@Turkishking It seems like this person did not want to delay his/her application to medical school by a year.
I am trying to make up for Orgo 1 on my own and trying to get my professor to help me, I'm just really tired of staying at school for so along and paying $850+ for 1 credit hour ( as an international student)
 
yeah, sort of that way, because of my major before was kind of engineering related, so the theory part for us was not as important as "pure" science students. the professor was just giving us a brief explanation of the mechanism, the only thing appeared on the exam ( and we only had one exam for the whole semester which was the final, so it made it much easier) was only reactions, without any question related to electron movement.

But understanding the electron movement makes the rest of it understandable. Otherwise, it's kinda of rote memorization and often lots of it.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but most of the materials included in the MCAT are from the first ochem class and less from the second one. Go back and take 1 then proceed to the 2nd one.
I understand, but my intention was to get those prerequisite done ASAP so I can apply a year earlier, because if i take orgo 1 first i'll have to wait for next year and during the year I HAVE TO stay in US as a full-time student ( I'm international student), or i will get deported.... I cant afford the cost for another full time academic year
 
But understanding the electron movement makes the rest of it understandable. Otherwise, it's kinda of rote memorization and often lots of it.

Your comment reminds me of when someone said ochem 1 is like learning basic phonics....

Ochem 2 is like learning why receive and achieve are spelled differently even though they sound the same...and then you learn all those random exception rules like " i before e except after c " and stuff....
 
But understanding the electron movement makes the rest of it understandable. Otherwise, it's kinda of rote memorization and often lots of it.
that's what I am learning by my self now, hopefully I can have some understanding before the first exam. And because i am international student from a totally different country, language is another barrier i need to overcome
 
I'm amazed your school let you do this. Taking Orgo 2 first is a terrible idea - of course you don't understand the mechanisms! Take the orgo 1 man!
 
I wouldn't even gamble trying to take the first exam. I would drop the class while you can- you're in a bit over your head and taking a low grade + lack of understanding is going to cost more time-wise in the future
 
I had a weak physics understanding for the MCAT and it made studying much more difficult.
 
I understand that your situation is rough, but this is dumb. Try not to do dumb things. There has to be some other solution. You're likely going to do poorly and not understand it for the MCAT. It sounds like you're probably planning rush the MCAT as well, and if that is the case you will do poorly. So then you'll have to retake Orgo2 after taking Orgo1, and then probably retake the MCAT. And I'm assuming you haven't taken biochem yet? If you don't take Orgo1, you're going to have a difficult time in biochem. Not to mention the fact that med schools might not even accept whatever class your school thinks counts as a pre-req for Orgo1. All of this just seems like a massive waste of time and money while screwing yourself over for admissions. Are there any financial aid options available to you?
 
I understand, but my intention was to get those prerequisite done ASAP so I can apply a year earlier, because if i take orgo 1 first i'll have to wait for next year and during the year I HAVE TO stay in US as a full-time student ( I'm international student), or i will get deported.... I cant afford the cost for another full time academic year

@Goro @LizzyM Even if the OP somehow manages to pull this off and does well in Orgo 2 without taking Orgo 1, does he/she even have a shot at US medical schools anyways? I would be concerned about the international / non-US citizen status.
 
@Goro @LizzyM Even if the OP somehow manages to pull this off and does well in Orgo 2 without taking Orgo 1, does he/she even have a shot at US medical schools anyways? I would be concerned about the international / non-US citizen status.

OP explained that on a transcript, it would look as though she has credit. It bothers me that the 2nd school would allow this to happen and accept a course that wasn't actually an equivalent.

I have one course transferred to Orgo 1, which actually was a totally different class. I don't have much time left before application, taking 1 first would add me another semester because of the schedule conflict so I decided to skip Orgo 1 and start with 2.
 
OP explained that on a transcript, it would look as though she has credit. It bothers me that the 2nd school would allow this to happen and accept a course that wasn't actually an equivalent.

I was more concerned about the fact that OP is international and presumably not a US citizen / doesn't have a green card if they are at risk of being deported. OP is unable to afford another year of school in the US which means OP is not rich... How do they expect to be able to pay for medical school, if they can't take out loans here? I'm not an expert at this, but it seems fairly likely to me that OP has very slim chance of getting into a US MD/DO program at this time. It just jumped out at me that maybe the OP has bigger problems right now than he/she realizes.

Regarding how "the 2nd school would allow this to happen"... I think this falls entirely on the OP's head. Personally I think prerequisites are dumb, and people should be able to do what they want. If somebody wants to pay money and sign up for a class, they should be allowed to do that. We're adults and should be responsible enough to do research and make good decisions. I particularly have no sympathy whatsoever for someone applying to MEDICAL SCHOOL, who will be responsible for much more important, life altering decisions in the not-too-distant future.
 
At my UG school, you couldn't take Orgo 2 before taking Orgo 1!


I took general chem like 3 years ago, and now I am taking Orgo2.... without Orgo 1, which I don't think is a good idea. And I am struggling with all the mechanisms and all the reactions.......

am thinking drop it go for Orgo 1 first......
 
There are ~14 DO schools that accept internationals. I think for MD there are ~60.

But those students are like Harvard caliber anywhere. Most schools that take internationals accept only a tiny handful. I agree that OP is making very bad choices, and suggest that s/he go back to home country and try med school there, given the financial AND visa issues


@Goro @LizzyM Even if the OP somehow manages to pull this off and does well in Orgo 2 without taking Orgo 1, does he/she even have a shot at US medical schools anyways? I would be concerned about the international / non-US citizen status.
 
I hope my post is unnecessary & you've already dropped Orgo II. Because if you haven't, you should. Now.
I was more concerned about the fact that OP is international and presumably not a US citizen / doesn't have a green card if they are at risk of being deported. OP is unable to afford another year of school in the US which means OP is not rich... How do they expect to be able to pay for medical school, if they can't take out loans here? I'm not an expert at this, but it seems fairly likely to me that OP has very slim chance of getting into a US MD/DO program at this time. It just jumped out at me that maybe the OP has bigger problems right now than he/she realizes.

Regarding how "the 2nd school would allow this to happen"... I think this falls entirely on the OP's head. Personally I think prerequisites are dumb, and people should be able to do what they want. If somebody wants to pay money and sign up for a class, they should be allowed to do that. We're adults and should be responsible enough to do research and make good decisions. I particularly have no sympathy whatsoever for someone applying to MEDICAL SCHOOL, who will be responsible for much more important, life altering decisions in the not-too-distant future.
Thank you for your concerning about me. I did realize that it is a bigger issue than the order of classes and has been working on it for like half year, my first problem appeared when I decided to transfer my credits to the US ( I was an exchange student for the first year in US taking random stupid classes that had nothing to do with bio/chem), all my courses were counted as "lower-level" even though some of them (like microbio, calculus 2...) are actually equivalent to the courses in US. but the transfer company insisted that they will not do any change. it was then when i decided to give up US degree and only use credits to apply. but couple weeks ago i just realized that all med schools in TX do not accept any course taken outside of US and for other areas, only less than 1/3 schools will accept. and some of them require US citizenship/residency. But I am in the process of getting my green card, hopefully I can have it by this Sep/Oct. So I don's have citizenship problem. as for financial problem, it is the biggest concern I have actually... bcs of that, i spent one year struggling to decide whether switching my major and taking the risk of applying med school. even though in my home country I was wanting to do medicine all the time but because of that (corrected) system I decided to do something else. Because in my homecountry, kids who wanna be physicians will start med school class in their freshman year for undergrad, usually after total 4-8 years study/internship, they can go for practicing. the systems btw these two countries are different. after one year in US, I realized that as an undergrad, I still had a chance to achieve my initial pursuit. And once i have green card, i can taken a loan in US and will be seen as equal as US citizen. the reward i will gain (hopefully) later will pay back soon.
 
OP explained that on a transcript, it would look as though she has credit. It bothers me that the 2nd school would allow this to happen and accept a course that wasn't actually an equivalent.
I do admit that for one's major classes, US's is tougher than the ones I had. but for non-major classes, US's is easier. I guess it is because in my country, when kids are in high school, they HAVE TO take a lot math/physics classes which are the same level as some 300/400 level classes in a US college.
 
There are ~14 DO schools that accept internationals. I think for MD there are ~60.

But those students are like Harvard caliber anywhere. Most schools that take internationals accept only a tiny handful. I agree that OP is making very bad choices, and suggest that s/he go back to home country and try med school there, given the financial AND visa issues
med schools in my country are very different, they start in freshman year and are not as standardized as US medical system. i heard from my mom that 10-15 years ago, few of her friends who even didn't have a high school degree started practicing medicine without any formal training and now they are already doctors.......
 
I think that you're on very thin ice.


med schools in my country are very different, they start in freshman year and are not as standardized as US medical system. i heard from my mom that 10-15 years ago, few of her friends who even didn't have a high school degree started practicing medicine without any formal training and now they are already doctors.......
 
I don't see how or why you'd be deported if you're already in the process of getting your green card. If you've already filed for adjustment of status then you can't be deported until the final decision is made and you don't need to continue being a full time student to maintain your status. Drop the class, take orgo I and continue the sequence the way it's supposed to be taken. Good luck to you.

I understand, but my intention was to get those prerequisite done ASAP so I can apply a year earlier, because if i take orgo 1 first i'll have to wait for next year and during the year I HAVE TO stay in US as a full-time student ( I'm international student), or i will get deported.... I cant afford the cost for another full time academic year
 
I don't see how or why you'd be deported if you're already in the process of getting your green card. If you've already filed for adjustment of status then you can't be deported until the final decision is made and you don't need to continue being a full time student to maintain your status. Drop the class, take orgo I and continue the sequence the way it's supposed to be taken. Good luck to you.
Thank you for the extra information about green card. because I thought the process usually takes more than 7 months, and I just sent all my files at the beginning of this month. so I can't get it until Sep/ Oct even the end of this year. i didnt ask about if i can stay here without taking class if i dont have green card but in the process. I'll make phone call to make sure on Monday. if it is like what you said, it would really be great for me ( so i can take a semester off staying here).... i went to my professor asking about his advice, he said from what I've done in class now I'm still okay, just need to study more than other kids. he gave me a summary sheet about the important reactions in O. chem 1 to help me. I know it is a really BAD decision but i still wanna try to see if I can do it.
 
@treeert If you're going to try to do this against everyone else's better judgement, I suggest you get off of SDN and spend any waking minute you can trying to catch up in organic chemistry. Obviously don't let your other classes fall by the wayside, but use all the time you can spare to prepare for the Ochem2 exam. You only have a limited amount of time before that comes along.
 
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