So SMP really necessary?

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Hi everyone. I found this site after looking up more information about med school and it seems as if a lot of people recommend SMP programs if you have a low GPA from a previous degree.
I have a Bachelor of Arts in something that I'm not too proud of (Legal Studies), and my GPA is an indicator that I wasn't taken my studies that seriously (3.2).
I just would like to know what's the real consensus on SMP programs for someone like me. Why not just go back to ugrad and take up required science courses? Will adcomms not take you seriously?
 
Is SMP necessary?

The answer to that question, for you, depends on a better understanding of what you accomplished in school and the circumstances that have shaped your life. (Have you taken the prereqs? Have you taken the MCAT? Are you URM [latino or african american] or disadvantaged? Do you have a lot of unique experiences? etc.)

I would say SMPs are good for people who have a low GPA and have taken too many units to improve their GPA via a post-bacc program. (post-bacc programs are good for people who need to take the prereq courses) While in SMPs, you take classes with (depends on the program) medical students to prove that you can do well in medical school.

However, I have not participated in an SMP myself so here is more information from people who know all about them.

Who is it for:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=346106

SMP list:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=591705

There is more information in the post-bacc forum on the main page (scroll down).
 
Hi everyone. I found this site after looking up more information about med school and it seems as if a lot of people recommend SMP programs if you have a low GPA from a previous degree.
I have a Bachelor of Arts in something that I'm not too proud of (Legal Studies), and my GPA is an indicator that I wasn't taken my studies that seriously (3.2).
I just would like to know what's the real consensus on SMP programs for someone like me. Why not just go back to ugrad and take up required science courses? Will adcomms not take you seriously?

I just went back and took classes....I think the SMP is for really low GPA and high MCAT. Plus, some offer guaranteed acceptance to med school if you do well.
 
Whether an SMP is going to be for your depends on your situation:

If you have a large number of hours at a low cumulative uGPA, just taking a few science courses is not likely to raise that cGPA very much. This becomes problematic if you apply to a school that screens by uGPA (not all schools do this).Things like upward trend are helpful but SMPs are a good application enhancer if you have significant ground to cover in terms of getting your uGPA into a competitive range.

The downside of SMPs are that you need an outstanding performance in this type of program. You have to be ready to give your studies priority as these programs are expensive and demanding. This is why they are great for showing that you would be able to navigate a demanding medical school curriculum.

If you don't do well in an SMP and you have a low uGPA, you could run the risk of "tanking" your chances. In short, an SMP is a "last-ditch" and a "second-chance" for those who have some uGPA "damage-control" to accomplish. Again, be ready to make your studies a priority.

Some SMPs will have you taking the same courses as medical students but with different performance criteria. This too can be problematic in that you as an SMP would be expected to perform at a higher level in order to "prove" yourself whereas the medical student just has to pass. Again, be prepared for this situation if you happen to enroll in one of these types of programs.

There are also certificate programs for people who need grade enhancement for medical school application. Virginia Commonwealth University has one of these types of programs. Again, you need a strong performance but you are likely not competing against medical students. These type of programs can also provide you with counseling and extra-curricular activity assistance.

Also be aware that some SMPs will want either a GRE or MCAT score. If you haven't taken those classes(non-science majors), then you would need to take the pre-med prerecs before you sit for the MCAT and before you could enter an SMP. There are specific post bacc programs out there for non-science majors so investigate these too.

Bottom line: Go to the AAMC website and search for post-bacc programs. You will find a listing of all types of these programs both at the undergraduate and graduate level. Investigate thoroughly and pick the ones that will allow you to get yourself competitive in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of expense.
 
For most, you need to get your gpa in the 3.5 range before applying.
Maybe a little lower if you are focusing on DO schools.

To go from a 3.2 (assumming 120 credits) to a 3.5, you would need about 80 more credits all at 4.0. That's at least 2 years of full-time work.
If you haven't taken any prereqs; that is the first step.
Evaluate your gpa after that point.

A SMP is a good option for many, but the same can be accomplished by just taking ug classes.

For others who have too low an overall gpa, a SMP is almost like a last ditch effort to overcome their past.
 
I would like to thank everyone for their quick responses-I wasn't expecting that.
My situation is this-I am a URM, the only pre-reqs I have at this point are bio 1 and 2 because they were required for graduation, which were taken 7 years ago. However, I do have well over 130 credits because I took a lot of outside courses for basic knowledge/information. I still have a lot of prereqs to get out of the way, so that could at least bring me up to a 3.4 (I'm really hoping).
I think the best option for me to return to ugrad. Granted by time I get my prereqs I would probably have somewhere close to 180 credits 😱. Maybe that won't look so bad..?
 
I would say post bacc is better for you. There are plenty of good post bacc programs designed to help people who need to fulfill prereqs and/or who are URM or disadvantaged.

If you go to a post bacc for two years you can potentially raise your GPA past 3.4 which would put you in a good place since you are URM. But!!! remember, for the best effect you have to work hard and maintain a 4.0.

Having a lot of units wont hurt or help (at least I don't think it helps) you. I will ask adcoms if I get any interviews this cycle. If they respond positively to it I will hopefully remember to post it online.
 
URM is a big plus!!

Also, I just looked up post-bacc programs in my area. Yeah, thanks but no thanks. I think I'll just go back to ugrad and save myself the money.
 
Also, I just looked up post-bacc programs in my area. Yeah, thanks but no thanks. I think I'll just go back to ugrad and save myself the money.

I didnt recommend a formal postbac. I said my first post above to go back and take classes like an undergrad working on a second BA/BS.
 
I didnt recommend a formal postbac. I said my first post above to go back and take classes like an undergrad working on a second BA/BS.


Yes I know. My comment "thanks no thanks" wasn't actually directed at anyone. Sorry about that.
 
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I do have these questions for you J-HUD. What made you decide to complete your courses at a CC (I saw that you stated this on another thread). Was it a problem for you when it came to admissions at any particular schools? Do schools prefer university over CC?
I wanted to do CC, but one of the med schools I was looking to apply at stated that they recommend taking the prereqs at a university.
 
hi, this might a random question for this post but I just wanted to ask if anyone is planning to take a year off before medical school and what they are doing in that break.
I was looking thru some internships in labs/bio companies but not many are in the area where i stay.

I'd rather not involve myself in SMP since i am planning to save up for med school. Research seems possible, but not my cup of tea.

any suggestions on what else i could do?

please help!
 
I do have these questions for you J-HUD. What made you decide to complete your courses at a CC (I saw that you stated this on another thread). Was it a problem for you when it came to admissions at any particular schools? Do schools prefer university over CC?
I wanted to do CC, but one of the med schools I was looking to apply at stated that they recommend taking the prereqs at a university.

I did it because I could pay for it. It was half price and I got alot of one on one. I think I learned more actually....

I cleared it with both my med and pharm schools. Most schools do prefer you go to an university. My situation is not the "norm", lol!

It was easier know doubt at the CC. I will not argue that. I got all A's. But, I compensated by reading the books and going beyond the class.
 
hi, this might a random question for this post but I just wanted to ask if anyone is planning to take a year off before medical school and what they are doing in that break.
I was looking thru some internships in labs/bio companies but not many are in the area where i stay.

I'd rather not involve myself in SMP since i am planning to save up for med school. Research seems possible, but not my cup of tea.

any suggestions on what else i could do?

please help!

I know some peeps that worked as an ER tech. Money is not that great but good experience.
 
The benefit I see in SMPs is expediency.

If you have a low GPA and try to do an informal post-bacc, it'll probably take several years to bring your GPA up respectably (to the 3.4ish range).

But an SMP can show your academic worthiness in a single year. Linkage is a big plus too.

But personally I think the risks are too high. When you're in med school all you have to do is pass your coursework (70 for most schools). In an SMP you're expected to perform (>3.7) which means scoring in the high 80s and 90s. That's a lot of pressure.
 
The benefit I see in SMPs is expediency.

If you have a low GPA and try to do an informal post-bacc, it'll probably take several years to bring your GPA up respectably (to the 3.4ish range).

But an SMP can show your academic worthiness in a single year. Linkage is a big plus too.

But personally I think the risks are too high. When you're in med school all you have to do is pass your coursework (70 for most schools). In an SMP you're expected to perform (>3.7) which means scoring in the high 80s and 90s. That's a lot of pressure.

Nice summary!! 😎

I think SMP are not worth the money. There is so much debt already. I def would use as a last resort.
 
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