so WHY DID you get rejected??

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Hey Guys, I'm not sure if there is a thread that already has this topic but I would like to ask everyone to be brave enough to give us some insight into why you were rejected. We always ask those who got accepted...what their stats are and how they got in...but if we ask the opposite it might be helpful in improving our application. if you are brave enough then please put it in the following format. I myself have been rejected and found out my shortcomings from the schools.

My stats are as follows:
30M (10 in each section)
3.7 GPA

The reasons I've been told:

1. Applied too late (I figured this myself)
2. Not enough Medical experience (I had 100 hours of ER volunteering last cycle)
3. BU said that I took all my pre-reqs in a CC college (not a plus in most schools)
4. All of these combined with my borderline stats.


I've somehow improved all of my shortcomings this cycle (except for the Community College problem), so well see what happens.
 
Hey Guys, I'm not sure if there is a thread that already has this topic but I would like to ask everyone to be brave enough to give us some insight into why you were rejected. We always ask those who got accepted...what their stats are and how they got in...but if we ask the opposite it might be helpful in improving our application. if you are brave enough then please put it in the following format. I myself have been rejected and found out my shortcomings from the schools.

My stats are as follows:
30M (10 in each section)
3.7 GPA

The reasons I've been told:

1. Applied too late (I figured this myself)
2. Not enough Medical experience (I had 100 hours of ER volunteering last cycle)
3. BU said that I took all my pre-reqs in a CC college (not a plus in most schools)
4. All of these combined with my borderline stats.


I've somehow improved all of my shortcomings this cycle (except for the Community College problem), so well see what happens.

I have nothing to share, just wanted to say to the OP, good luck this cycle and thanks in advance to those who do contribute to this thread. It could turn out to be a valuable resource for future applicants.

Even if you were accepted somewhere (or tons of places), your experience at the places that didn't accept you could provide a wealth of info, like NickNaylor's stickied thread on the admissions game.
 
6 interviews 0 acceptances.
Was told that I need to interview better.

I was told that I did not demonstrate my understanding of the medical field.

One school told me I was eloquent in whatever I talked about but did not sell myself well.

Schools said that everything else on my application was excellent.

s/cGPA 3.7
mcat 33
leadership, clinical, non clinical all decent.

This didn't give me much to work with, so I just got new LOR + more ecs all around.
 
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I have nothing to share, just wanted to say to the OP, good luck this cycle and thanks in advance to those who do contribute to this thread. It could turn out to be a valuable resource for future applicants.

Even if you were accepted somewhere (or tons of places), your experience at the places that didn't accept you could provide a wealth of info, like NickNaylor's stickied thread on the admissions game.

Yes, agreed come people!!!
 
Bump, this thread could turn out to be extremely valuable in the future!
 
6 interviews 0 acceptances.
Was told that I need to interview better.
Schools said that everything else on my application was excellent.

s/cGPA 3.7
mcat 33
leadership, clinical, non clinical all decent.

This didn't give me much to work with, so I just got new LOR + more ecs all around.

Can you elaborate on that? Not detail but what made them think that you didn't interview well?
I don't mean to pry but I think that one of the best ways to learn is from past mistakes whether it is mine or yours.
Excellent stats by the way
 
If you don't mind sharing, in what way didn't you interview well? e.g. too much/little confidence, appeared too nervous or something else?

Was recently rejected to Georgetown, I'm being tempted to say that it's because I mentioned that I had no religious affliations in their secondary.

I just wanted to share something with you guys. At my last interview the Associate Dean of Admissions asked everyone to stand up and introduce themselves and talk a little but about their goals and how they heard of the school. One of the kids was a John Hopkins graduate, this guy stood up and oh man I was shocked at what happened next. His shoulders were rolled forward, his head was tucked inside his neck and he stared at the floor and started mumbling words. It was definitely the weirdest thing I have ever seen. I'm sure his stats were great but this guy was extremely socially awkward. The Dean of admissions was like, "Can you please speak with some enthusiasm and keep your head up....". See that's the thing guys I don't care if you have a 45 on the MCAT and a 4.0 sGPA/cGPA if you're socially awkward like that and don't have the basic manners to speak in public or to a small group of people then I'm sorry you will be seeing a lot of rejections. I just wanted to share this with some of your guys....take it however you want to. 👍
 
I just wanted to share something with you guys. At my last interview the Associate Dean of Admissions asked everyone to stand up and introduce themselves and talk a little but about their goals and how they heard of the school. One of the kids was a John Hopkins graduate, this guy stood up and oh man I was shocked at what happened next. His shoulders were rolled forward, his head was tucked inside his neck and he stared at the floor and started mumbling words. It was definitely the weirdest thing I have ever seen. I'm sure his stats were great but this guy was extremely socially awkward. The Dean of admissions was like, "Can you please speak with some enthusiasm and keep your head up....". See that's the thing guys I don't care if you have a 45 on the MCAT and a 4.0 sGPA/cGPA if you're socially awkward like that and don't have the basic manners to speak in public or to a small group of people then I'm sorry you will be seeing a lot of rejections. I just wanted to share this with some of your guys....take it however you want to. 👍

Hmmmm I feel like I may have been at this interview....
 
BU interviewed me, and I took all my pre-reqs at CC. My numbers are higher, but I'm still not sure that this is a deal breaker.
 
See that's the thing guys I don't care if you have a 45 on the MCAT and a 4.0 sGPA/cGPA if you're socially awkward like that and don't have the basic manners to speak in public or to a small group of people then I'm sorry you will be seeing a lot of rejections. I just wanted to share this with some of your guys....take it however you want to. 👍

Awsome, I had the same experience, initially we were asked to do the same and state very briefly why we want to be a doctor and one the students answered "I have nothing better to do, my family is freaking rich so I thought I'd ace the MCAT and try being a doctor, I don't even like working with pts"...so the student was asked to remain behind after we left the room.

FELLOW STUDENTS, DO NOT BE NERVOUS OR SHY AT INTERVIEWS, THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE YOU AND I, SELL YOURSELF LIKE YOU WOULD SELL A PRODUCT.
 
BU interviewed me, and I took all my pre-reqs at CC. My numbers are higher, but I'm still not sure that this is a deal breaker.

what are you stats? they told this was one of the reasons but its prob my numbers
 
Lol, then no, but maybe this guy also made an appearance at my interview!!!

I hate to disclose this guys appearance but just for the sake of knowing if he was at your interview too. What's his race and was he wearing glasses or no glasses?
 
Elaboration:

I was told that I did not demonstrate my understanding of the medical field.

Another school told me I was eloquent in whatever I talked about but did not sell myself well.

Third school said I wrote my secondaries sloppy.
 
Elaboration:

I was told that I did not demonstrate my understanding of the medical field.

Another school told me I was eloquent in whatever I talked about but did not sell myself well.

Third school said I wrote my secondaries sloppy.

Thanks, lucky for you thats something easy to fix....lots of practice..and i will do the same
 
Bump, this thread could turn out to be extremely valuable in the future!

No, this thread is likely a waste of time. The only reason IMO you should go back and try and guess - that's a key word here - why you were rejected is if you don't end up anywhere in the cycle. Even then it's of dubious value since you may not get real answers from admissions committees if you get any answers at all.

There are literally an infinite number of reasons why you may have been rejected. It could've been something as objective as your numbers were too low, or it could've been something more subjective that you'd likely never get a real explanation for from the committee. Not to mention that each school is looking for something different, and the reasons for rejecting you at one school may be different than those for another school.

Really there's very little to gain in this quest other than a bunch of paranoia, but do what you will.
 
Sorry Im writing too much, this is my last reply for now hehehe, Im working and have nothing to do..I have a suggestion on improving interview and getting a quick feedback... Assuming everyone has computer and laptop since we are all on here posting, we could open up a skype session and just interview each other and get immediate feedback, we can potentially do this with as many pre-med and med students (if they are willing). it would be awkward and weird at first but as we move alone we should be able to get better with our interview skills.

if you agree and would like to participate please write your user name below so we may contact each other:

mine is Aliko
 
Really there's very little to gain in this quest other than a bunch of paranoia, but do what you will.

Well, more information is better than none I think, whether rejection is based entirely on a subjective point of view or objective it should still be helpful in determining what you can do to improve your application. All schools ARE different in picking their candidates but, I believe, that there is an underlying universal theme that all schools look for. I also believe that you get your paranoia from comparing your stats to those who got accepted and worrying about some publications you don't have or a 4.0 gpa you don't have. but by discussing mistakes and shortcomings you can better prepare the next time around or even improve on while applying.
 
Well, more information is better than none I think, whether rejection is based entirely on a subjective point of view or objective it should still be helpful in determining what you can do to improve your application. All schools ARE different in picking their candidates but, I believe, that there is an underlying universal theme that all schools look for. I also believe that you get your paranoia from comparing your stats to those who got accepted and worrying about some publications you don't have or a 4.0 gpa you don't have. but by discussing mistakes and shortcomings you can better prepare the next time around or even improve on while applying.

Your primary application can't be changed once you submit, so there's nothing you can do to improve that. If you've completed your secondaries diligently, you've likely already submitted most, if not all, of them before you get any final decisions unless schools you apply to are very quick to come to a decision.

Just about the only feedback that might be helpful is interview feedback, but once again schools may or may not share that information with you. Even if they do, sometimes it isn't until the end of the cycle, which is of no help to you unless you're going to have to reapply.

Again, it's a good idea in theory, but in practice the real benefit you get out of the process will probably be very little. Only if you're a reapplicant will most of this feedback have any utility. Be confident in what you've submitted, brush off rejections, and hope for the best. If you don't get any acceptances, then it's time to reevaluate your strategy and improve for round two.
 
Your primary application can't be changed once you submit, so there's nothing you can do to improve that. If you've completed your secondaries diligently, you've likely already submitted most, if not all, of them before you get any final decisions unless schools you apply to are very quick to come to a decision.

Just about the only feedback that might be helpful is interview feedback, but once again schools may or may not share that information with you. Even if they do, sometimes it isn't until the end of the cycle, which is of no help to you unless you're going to have to reapply.

Again, it's a good idea in theory, but in practice the real benefit you get out of the process will probably be very little. Only if you're a reapplicant will most of this feedback have any utility. Be confident in what you've submitted, brush off rejections, and hope for the best. If you don't get any acceptances, then it's time to reevaluate your strategy and improve for round two.

Bad advice. This isn't just for people who apply in this cycle, but could be useful for future applicants as well. This thread gives insight into what schools are looking for, and also to help applicants learn from other people's mistakes. One school told me I wrote a sloppy secondary. Being the naive applicant I was, I thought the secondary wasn't that important.
Well it came around and bit me towards the end of the cycle. Perhaps, if this thread existed when I applied and someone mentioned he was rejected from a sloppy secondary I would have shaped up and wrote a better secondary. Someone on the boards saying " write your secondary diligently" doesn't have the same sort of influential power as " I got rejected from a poor secondary, learn from my mistake, and devote enough time into writing the secondary"
 
Hey Guys, I'm not sure if there is a thread that already has this topic but I would like to ask everyone to be brave enough to give us some insight into why you were rejected. We always ask those who got accepted...what their stats are and how they got in...but if we ask the opposite it might be helpful in improving our application. if you are brave enough then please put it in the following format. I myself have been rejected and found out my shortcomings from the schools.

My stats are as follows:
30M (10 in each section)
3.7 GPA

The reasons I've been told:

1. Applied too late (I figured this myself)
2. Not enough Medical experience (I had 100 hours of ER volunteering last cycle)
3. BU said that I took all my pre-reqs in a CC college (not a plus in most schools)
4. All of these combined with my borderline stats.


I've somehow improved all of my shortcomings this cycle (except for the Community College problem), so well see what happens.

Wait BU said they didn't accept you because you to your pre-req at a CC? Where you a transfer or did you just go back to a CC to take them?
 
Bad advice. This isn't just for people who apply in this cycle, but could be useful for future applicants as well. This thread gives insight into what schools are looking for, and also to help applicants learn from other people's mistakes. One school told me I wrote a sloppy secondary. Being the naive applicant I was, I thought the secondary wasn't that important.
Well it came around and bit me towards the end of the cycle. Perhaps, if this thread existed when I applied and someone mentioned he was rejected from a sloppy secondary I would have shaped up and wrote a better secondary. Someone on the boards saying " write your secondary diligently" doesn't have the same sort of influential power as " I got rejected from a poor secondary, learn from my mistake, and devote enough time into writing the secondary"

Very well put sir/madam. 👍
 
Bad advice. This isn't just for people who apply in this cycle, but could be useful for future applicants as well. This thread gives insight into what schools are looking for, and also to help applicants learn from other people's mistakes. One school told me I wrote a sloppy secondary. Being the naive applicant I was, I thought the secondary wasn't that important.
Well it came around and bit me towards the end of the cycle. Perhaps, if this thread existed when I applied and someone mentioned he was rejected from a sloppy secondary I would have shaped up and wrote a better secondary. Someone on the boards saying " write your secondary diligently" doesn't have the same sort of influential power as " I got rejected from a poor secondary, learn from my mistake, and devote enough time into writing the secondary"

True, but isn't this the purpose of SDN as a whole? Common sense plus searching the forums will give you answers/advice to almost anything (including whether or not to take secondaries seriously).

You can't possibly summarize the corpus of SDN knowledge in one thread.
 
True, but isn't this the purpose of SDN as a whole? Common sense plus searching the forums will give you answers/advice to almost anything (including whether or not to take secondaries seriously).

You can't possibly summarize the corpus of SDN knowledge in one thread.

This thread could have been useful, but it's pretty clear we're not going to get there.

What would be valuable would be specific information about specific schools, in a more reflective format than the interview feedback.

Too much of the advice on sdn is both too general and too obvious. Tips for interviewing well: don't be socially awkward. Don't be a douche bag. Don't smell like you just finished eating the poop hot dog.

There's also a lot of "Top 20's want to see this," or "Make sure to do XYZ for your applications/interviews at research-slanted schools." Well, guess what? Not all of the "Top 20" schools want to accept 150 of the exact same applicant. And pretty much every school thinks they're slanted toward research. Just like every medical school tells you that what really sets them apart is their clinical curriculum, early clinical experience, or some other [clinical] bs.

And before I continue let me say that I'm not going to read through the school-specific threads for 20 different schools to try to get the info I want. That would take forever.

What would be great is someone who could say, "I was accepted at Penn, Case, and Cornell but rejected from Hopkins and Columbia," or, "I was accepted at Georgetown and SLU, rejected at Loyola, Rush, and Creighton," or whatever.

And then say, "When I called Hopkins/Columbia/Loyola/Rush/Creighton about my file, they told me I was rejected because/could improve upon xyz."

Even if it's just "objective" criteria and doesn't have anything to do with the rejected applicants terrible breath or inappropriate cleavage, it would at least give some insight into what matters at a specific school.

That kind of information can be extremely useful, and not just in a "ace your interview like the con-artist that you are" sort of way. That kind of information can help people decide if they even want to bother applying to a given school.

Right now the best advice I've been given in that area (shout out to CougarMD) is to read schools' secondary prompts from the previous years, and that will give you an idea where their priorities lie. But even in the secondaries the schools start to blend together more than they should. When you start to get specific information from people who have been at the schools, you can start to tease them apart.

Last spring there was a thread in the school-specific forum about choosing between Columbia and Cornell. The schools are obviously very similar, but after a few people talked about their different impressions from being in each school, meeting both deans (and other faculty), you could see that for everything they have in common, there are actually quite different reasons to choose Cornell, or Columbia, depending on your priorities.

Specific information would be useful, and it would be great to condense it into fewer threads. Life would also be a lot easier if I had a personal chef, a maid, and someone to do all of my homework for me. We're never going to get there.
 
I got rejected from one school because I said I wanted to "get involved with helping to improve their curriculum" (which I didn't like but was trying to be diplomatic)... Thought I would come off as someone who takes the initiative and such... Turns out my interviewer was the person who implemented said curriculum and was particularly proud of it. Whoops.

Probably wouldn't have gone there anyway (hence weird curriculum).

Follow NickNaylor's advice: play the game, don't make waves, and be personable/friendly/charming without having an opinion on anything. Maybe that's a bit of an overstatement, but not by much.
 
I got rejected from one school because I said I wanted to "get involved with helping to improve their curriculum" (which I didn't like but was trying to be diplomatic)... Thought I would come off as someone who takes the initiative and such... Turns out my interviewer was the person who implemented said curriculum and was particularly proud of it. Whoops.

:laugh::laugh:This belongs in the "Worst interview answers" thread... probably the wrong person to give that one to
 
yellow skin
apparently there's a plethora of this at institutes of higher education
 
I'd like to know more about this too, if possible.

ye, I emailed them after my rejection, one of the things they mentioned was that all my pre-reqs were taken at CC. I transferred from CC to University of Maryland where I had a higher GPA, so I didn't know what the deal was...I think I just might not have been a good fit for their school
 
No, this thread is likely a waste of time.

I wise man once said, "a smart man learns from his mistakes but a truly wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
 
Again, it's a good idea in theory, but in practice the real benefit you get out of the process will probably be very little. Only if you're a reapplicant will most of this feedback have any utility. Be confident in what you've submitted, brush off rejections, and hope for the best. If you don't get any acceptances, then it's time to reevaluate your strategy and improve for round two.

What if a school rejects you early in the cycle because of a perceived deficiency in one area (e.g. community service), but knowing that, you could more strongly emphasize your experience in that area during your remaining interviews?

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What schools have been responsive in giving post-rejection feedback during the middle of the cycle?
 
I have way below-average stats and I have an interview coming up this month. This thread makes me nervous.
 
I can give my personal exit interview feedback. Basically, my application had everything, but the interview was "vanilla". Not bad, but not great either. I was told it was a case of failure to stand out. I was also barely 20, and I think I failed to sell my actual level of maturity and why I was ready for medical school to the interviewers...

In my opinion that is about the worst feedback to receive because its not as easy a fix as "you need more volunteering experience". Hopefully someone this year will find me somewhat out of the ordinary >.<
 
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