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SOAP 2014 Thread
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guess ill be hustling to contact programs outside match
spots are all gone..that was fast
Yes, I think we all will be...
the more frustrating part at this point is not having the ability to call till 5.
Reading between the lines, could we have contacted programs through the ERAS message center?
Applicants express preferences by applying to programs using ERAS®. Applicants are prohibited from using any means other than ERAS to apply to and contact programs. Found that on the NRMP page.
Applicants express preferences by applying to programs using ERAS®. Applicants are prohibited from using any means other than ERAS to apply to and contact programs. Found that on the NRMP page.
I went through the scramble (aka SOAP) last year. At the stroke of 5pm I contacted those programs that were listed as still having remaining spots open, or didn't participate in the SOAP process. They said that they already filled, sorry...or had a recording saying they were already filled. Makes me suspect that many people violated the rules and contacted the programs before the allowed 5pm time-frame. Not telling anyone to violate the NRMP rules, but I suspect (and only suspect, don't have proof) that people violate this rule.
Thanks for the response. But, my question is during the soap process (i.e. before 5 pm today) could applicants contact programs using the ERAS message center instead of other means i.e. email/fax/phone. In other words what does contact programs mean/referring to? (refer to the post above - bold words, please)
Sorry! found the answer to my question. ERAS message center can only be used to contact ECFMG or EFDO for IMG's and fellowship applicants.
I'm not calling any programs, not now or after 5PM. I waved the white flag. Game over.
I won't condone breaking any rules, but as Bob Dylan once sang, "when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose."
Kind of ominous that the song was about a rolling stone, though.
I won't condone breaking any rules, but as Bob Dylan once sang, "when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose."
Kind of ominous that the song was about a rolling stone, though.
110 hours per week, as if it's some kind of trophy (only log 79.5 or all hell breaketh loose) and zero respect for your years of dedication, at $48k per year. I admittedly haven't done the math, but I'm taking a pretty serious guess that becoming an assistant manager at Target makes a lot more sense financially and considering one's own mental health.
I used to be naive, but then I stopped caring about medicine. This isn't a perception that the grapes are sour. They actually tasted sour to me, and I have a diverse and experienced palate.
at the end of each round.
Did you get a spot? If not, what did you do the rest of the year?
No spot from the SOAP last year, but matched this year! The SOAP is hell, good news for some, terrible news for others, lukewarm for even more. Though I hear it's still better than the "scramble" from years gone by.
What are the consequences for the applicant if they try and contact a program prior to SOAP ending?
No less than 25 to life.
The NRMP could hunt you down and have your head. But then again, it's Thursday in the SOAP.
I hear you.. I am an old graduate, IMG with GC, solid surgical experience but probably no one wants that in a resident! even though I am ready to start at prelim!!! I am seriously considering a surgical first assistant career!
I believe, if I remember right, you just contact them any way you can. Phone, email, show up at their door (not being serious about that one), have attendings or people that know people at the program contact them on your behalf, etc. I think it basically reverts back to the old scramble free-for-all after 5pm today. Of course everything is outside the match rules after 5pm today, so be careful and watch your back. Get a contract signed before you make any big financial decisions as the program could cancel their offer since it's outside the match.
That or a mid-level practicioner if you're still into clinical work. Your interest in clinical vs non-clinical work is going to determine your search and outcome.
pouring one out
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whats a mid level practitioner? and how do I get licensed for that?
pa or nurse practitioner. But, you need to go back to school for that.
I think one option is Physician Assistant. There are lot of schools for those. It's 2-3 years and you can make basically 100K. You do stuff like being first assist in surgeries and also clinic work as well. So it's a"mid level" since it's somewhere below a MD but above say a medical tech/assistant.
few pages ago, someone posted a guideline of things a student can do in the meantime.
Yes. That's it. People can accept or reject the final offers between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m.. After 5 p.m. We're back to the old fashioned scramble.
can anyone explain this:
5:00 p.m. ERAS SOAP-mode ends
8:00 p.m. NRMP List of Unfilled Programs can be updated by program directors and accessed by all SOAP-eligible applicants except those who have obtained concurrent-year positions
Is that 8pm after round 5? or after the post soap scramble? or..?
5:00 p.m. ERAS SOAP-mode ends
8:00 p.m. NRMP List of Unfilled Programs can be updated by program directors and accessed by all SOAP-eligible applicants except those who have obtained concurrent-year positions
Is that 8pm after round 5? or after the post soap scramble? or..?
I don't see what's unclear about that. At 5p, SOAP is over. At 8p, the list becomes available for anyone still w/o a spot to do with as they wish.
I assume this means that after 5PM the unfilled list is again updated automatically based upon the last round results. Then, at 8PM, the list becomes editable by PD's -- i.e. I can log in and just change the number of open slots (presumably because I filled outside of SOAP). because the nature of the list changes (from an NRMP generated list to a user updatable list) they may take it down from 5 until 8 while they change it over (not sure about that, we will see). Otherwise the list will remain viewable from 5-8, and then editable at 8PM
There's always something somewhere, though programs fill from outside the match and the list becomes outdated quite quickly. You'll just have to email or call them directly to find out. Also before and through July, there are openings here and there due to various reasons (IMGs not getting visas, people dropping out, life challenges) that pop-up. Like I've said before, you are in the wild-west after 5pm. Don't make major life changes just because you get an offer. You aren't protected until you get a legal, signed contract. The NRMP match rules don't apply and they won't force programs to give you a spot if they give you one then pull the rug out from under you later (outside the match and SOAP that is).
So get this, I actually just called a program that I saw unfilled and the young lady told me that the position was no longer available, BUT ITS STILL ON THE LIST!!! She also added: you should not contact us bc the soap is not over, oooooopppssss my bad. I was confused with the hr shoot me, its only 15 minutes.
You lied. The programs didn't technically lie unless there are some unfilled spots for SOAP. They may have ranked you, but not high enough to match at those programs.
some how I saw this coming!!! Im pretty sure once the PDs get their hands on the editable list then whatever is left of the "available" spots will quickly become history🙂 Ill just walk away with pride!
Err...if they had ranked him/her, he/she would have matched as they ended up having unfilled spots... one does not have to be ranked "high", they just need to be ranked period...and the alogrithm goes down the list.........
Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am, my sincere apologies.
I didn't get the sense that those same programs also ended up having unfilled spots. If they did, then they lied too.
Well it makes perfect sense according to how I believe the algorithm works. If the program is in the SOAP (i.e. has open, unmatched spots) and ranked 100% of their interviewed applicants, than none of their interviewed applicants should be in the SOAP as long as those applicants ranked them somewhere on their own lists.
Either the applicant failed to put them on their ROL (rank order list), or the program lied (or made a mistake in their ROL).
