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[MitchLevi]

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Assault rifle ban to prevent mass shootings...

Percent of all murder cases:
Single victim 93.4%
Two victims 5.4%
Three victims 0.8%
Four or more victims <0.4%

Murder in the US can be dramatically reduced, and the way to do it is fairly obvious. Put cops on every street corner in the areas where the murder takes place. You would catch a veritable firestorm by the NAACP and other institutions, but people would stop dying, which is what we want...We want Americans to STOP DYING.

 

[drusso]

Opinion | Why I Am Not a Liberal

I don’t think the left grasps reality in all its fullness.

www.nytimes.com

"This is consistent with something I’ve noticed all my life — the materialist bent of progressive thought: the assumption that material conditions drive history, not cultural or moral ones. A couple of decades ago, Thomas Frank published “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” based on befuddlement that Kansans were apparently voting against their economic self-interest. Doesn’t economics drive voting behavior? Progressives have often argued that improving schools is mostly about spending more money, that crime is mostly the product of material deprivation."

 

[Ducttape]

since we are apparently moving the goalposts to nearby stadiums and playgrounds...


you want to reduce death rates overall by firearms?

yes prevent people from getting handguns.

handguns are more implicated in gun related deaths than long guns.

but most people are not focused on that. they are focused on child killings. when you look at the top 11 most prolific school shootings, a long gun was part of the arsenal



the number one cause of death from guns is suicide. the majority of suicides are from handguns.





another aspect reducing gun deaths would be to prevent white males from getting handguns.

because the majority of suicides, which make up the majority of gun fatalities, are by handguns, and much more frequently in white males......

 

[Ducttape]

Murder in the US can be dramatically reduced, and the way to do it is fairly obvious. Put cops on every street corner in the areas where the murder takes place. You would catch a veritable firestorm by the NAACP and other institutions, but people would stop dying, which is what we want...We want Americans to STOP DYING.

you are aware that 1/2 of all shootings do not occur in urban areas but occur in rural ones, right?

You’re More Likely to Be Shot in Selma Than in Chicago

In the fall of 2021, Summer Tatum, a radiology technician in Prattville, Alabama, was looking forward to the birth of her first child, a boy. She had already chosen a name, Everett. But by last October, Tatum’s young family was crumbling. She and her husband had been arguing for days over...

www.thetrace.org

another study:

Firearm Death Rates in Rural vs Urban US Counties - PMC

This cross-sectional study examines the variability in firearm mortality risk by county type across the full rural-urban continuum in the US.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

firearm deaths are more common in rural counties than urban ones.


lets have police hang out on Main Street, Anytown, USA.

just saying...

(i will note these statistics are pure numbers, not the rate per 100,000, and yes the rates are higher per 100,000 in urban areas. the point is that there is gun violence everywhere in the US, not just urban areas)

 

[clubdeac]

Yes the title is socialism, except Ilhan Omar isn't a socialist. However, she HAS been consistently attacked for her ethnicity and religion.

Did you read the posts of US Republican Congressman endorsed by Trump?

If you think race isn't an issue in the Republican party, you are living in a bubble.

Yes she actually is. This is a great article outlining the hypocrisy @SSdoc33

Ilhan Omar promotes socialist nonsense as her wealth skyrockets. What a hypocrite. | Opinion

 

[MitchLevi]

since we are apparently moving the goalposts to nearby stadiums and playgrounds...


you want to reduce death rates overall by firearms?

yes prevent people from getting handguns.

handguns are more implicated in gun related deaths than long guns.

but most people are not focused on that. they are focused on child killings. when you look at the top 11 most prolific school shootings, a long gun was part of the arsenal



the number one cause of death from guns is suicide. the majority of suicides are from handguns.





another aspect reducing gun deaths would be to prevent white males from getting handguns.

because the majority of suicides, which make up the majority of gun fatalities, are by handguns, and much more frequently in white males......

The overwhelming vast majority of kids are killed with pistols in the inner city.

Too bad no one cares about those kids.

 

[MitchLevi]

you are aware that 1/2 of all shootings do not occur in urban areas but occur in rural ones, right?

You’re More Likely to Be Shot in Selma Than in Chicago

In the fall of 2021, Summer Tatum, a radiology technician in Prattville, Alabama, was looking forward to the birth of her first child, a boy. She had already chosen a name, Everett. But by last October, Tatum’s young family was crumbling. She and her husband had been arguing for days over...

www.thetrace.org

another study:

Firearm Death Rates in Rural vs Urban US Counties - PMC

This cross-sectional study examines the variability in firearm mortality risk by county type across the full rural-urban continuum in the US.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

firearm deaths are more common in rural counties than urban ones.


lets have police hang out on Main Street, Anytown, USA.

just saying...

(i will note these statistics are pure numbers, not the rate per 100,000, and yes the rates are higher per 100,000 in urban areas. the point is that there is gun violence everywhere in the US, not just urban areas)

Convenient you put those paragraphs at the end of your post.

Put cops on street corners where crime takes place. That’s how you slow this down. Let the NAACP and the progressives scream and yell, meanwhile every parent in these neighborhoods will thank you.

It’s ppl like you Duct, the ones who don’t live in these areas, who scream and moan and accuse you of racism, but if I’m a mayor or a member of the local govt in one of these areas I’m pushing cops into these places and I’d just ignore you.


Edit - You’re again wrong.

This graph you posted goes against what you said. It is true most firearm deaths are more likely rural, but that’s all suicide. The murder rates are higher in cities.

Blue is murder, orange is suicide.

The other link you posted says most shootings are “rural” and not major cities. They still take place in cities dude.

LOFL at a “small cities and towns” with “less than 1 million people.”

One million people!!!!!????!?!?!? Oh, that’s a small town!?!?

Murder is a city problem brother.

So I decided to find out what exactly that means…What is a small city and town of under one million people????

 

[clubdeac]

Convenient you put those paragraphs at the end of your post.

Put cops on street corners where crime takes place. That’s how you slow this down. Let the NAACP and the progressives scream and yell, meanwhile every parent in these neighborhoods will thank you.

It’s ppl like you Duct, the ones who don’t live in these areas, who scream and moan and accuse you of racism, but if I’m a mayor or a member of the local govt in one of these areas I’m pushing cops into these places and I’d just ignore you.


Edit - You’re again wrong.

This graph you posted goes against what you said. It is true most firearm deaths are more likely rural, but that’s all suicide. The murder rates are higher in cities.

Blue is murder, orange is suicide.
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The other link you posted says most shootings are “rural” and not major cities. They still take place in cities dude.

LOFL at a “small cities and towns” with “less than 1 million people.”

One million people!!!!!????!?!?!? Oh, that’s a small town!?!?

Murder is a city problem brother.

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So I decided to find out what exactly that means…What is a small city and town of under one million people????


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Most people don’t have the time to call duct’s data out for what it is, woke garbage

Thank you for calling out the inaccuracies

 

[MitchLevi]

Most people don’t have the time to call duct’s data out for what it is, woke garbage

Thank you for calling out the inaccuracies

Does anyone really believe homicide is a country problem rather than a city problem?

Honestly?

Everyone knows where these crimes take place. We all know…

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Does anyone really believe homicide is a country problem rather than a city problem?

Honestly?

Everyone knows where these crimes take place. We all know…

Wasn’t that the original point? That it’s a city vs rural difference not a political party one?

 

[bubaghanush]

Yes she actually is. This is a great article outlining the hypocrisy @SSdoc33

Ilhan Omar promotes socialist nonsense as her wealth skyrockets. What a hypocrite. | Opinion

Yes a really great opinion article of someone who is upset because Ilhan Omar criticized party leadership for overturning an endorsement of a local mayoral candidate described as Democratic socialist. Maybe she believes in the democratic process. The writer was very upset her husband is wealthy. What a whole bunch of nothing.

Does it bother you as much having Trump-endorsed candidates who have a history of racist statements making very recent direct attacks against Omar and Mamdani due to their appearance, ethnicity, and religion?

 

[MitchLevi]

Wasn’t that the original point? That it’s a city vs rural difference not a political party one?

That was not the point.

It is a black problem occurring in cities, most of which are Democratically-run. I am not terribly interested in which party runs the city TBH. I don’t think it actually matters bc this is cultural, not political.

Again, that community is killing itself 7x more frequently than whites. I posted those data earlier.

Using pistols 88% of the time, blacks kill other blacks at 7x the rate of whites. It’s tragic and awful, and occurs in cities not hillsides.

Remove suicide from the data, and 13% of the population is responsible for the motherlode of gun death.

No one wants to fix this problem bc no one cares.

 

[clubdeac]

Yes a really great opinion article of someone who is upset because Ilhan Omar criticized party leadership for overturning an endorsement of a local mayoral candidate described as Democratic socialist. Maybe she believes in the democratic process. The writer was very upset her husband is wealthy. What a whole bunch of nothing.

Does it bother you as much having Trump-endorsed candidates who have a history of racist statements making very recent direct attacks against Omar and Mamdani due to their appearance, ethnicity, and religion?

Hadn’t heard a thing about it. You think it’s real or left wing propoganda or did they really say something racist

And I think there’s a big difference bw a socialist and someone who believes in the democratic process. Omar is a self described socialist. Like the article says, I’m fine with her husband making money off our capitalistic society. But spare me the apparently fake socialist virtue signaling. She’s a complete hypocrite

 

[bubaghanush]

Hadn’t heard a thing about it. You think it’s real or left wing propoganda or did they really say something racist

You tell me. I'll copy the post again since you missed it. Do you think this is "left wing propaganda?"

Randy Fine, US Congressman


"I'm sure it is difficult to see us welcome the killer of so many of your fellow Muslim terrorists"


Laura Loomer, inner circle of Trump

"He is from Africa. And you can tell in the way he eats. Disgusting. My dogs are cleaner and more civilized when they eat than little Muhammad."


Brandon Gill, US Congressman commenting on Mamdani using his hands to eat

“Civilized people in America don’t eat like this,” Gill posted on X (formerly Twitter). “If you refuse to adopt Western customs, go back to the third world.”

Nancy Mace, House Rep implied Mamdani was involved or supported 9/11 attack.

Andy Ogles, House Rep is another. The list goes on.

And here

Omar is a self described socialist.

Wrong. You keep repeating this and it is false.

 

[pmrmd]

Yes the title is socialism, except Ilhan Omar isn't a socialist.

Hmmmm…

You don’t support these candidates if you don’t espouse their politics. Over a Democrat candidate no less.

Ilhan Omar Works to Endorse Socialists Over Democrats | Minneapolis Times

minneapolistimes.com

 

[bubaghanush]

Hmmmm…

You don’t support these candidates if you don’t espouse their politics. Over a Democrat candidate no less.

Ilhan Omar Works to Endorse Socialists Over Democrats | Minneapolis Times

minneapolistimes.com

I don't know much about her but there seems to be a lot going on with Minneapolis and the DFL and the revoked endorsement of the other guy. A quick search shows her policies look more left than mainstream Dems. These endorsements look recent so maybe she is moving left. Still not sure how having a rich husband makes her a hypocrite. I support a higher tax rate and lower federal debt. Am I a hypocrite for not donating to the federal government?

And endorsements don't aways align exactly with one's view, but may be based on what's politically expedient.

How about Trump's endorsement of racist Congressman above? Does that make Trump a racist for endorsing them?

 

[pmrmd]

For someone that doesn’t “know much about her” you certainly defended her and spoke about her in multiple posts.

Elected socialists are inherently hypocrites because they keep power and wealth in the political class for themselves. Unelected socialists are the useful idiots that think they are going to prosper when the other proletariats haven’t.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Elected socialists Politicians are inherently hypocrites because they keep power and wealth in the political class for themselves. Unelected socialists Voters are the useful idiots that think they are going to prosper when the other proletariats haven’t.

 

[bubaghanush]

For someone that doesn’t “know much about her” you certainly defended her and spoke about her in multiple posts.

Elected socialists are inherently hypocrites because they keep power and wealth in the political class for themselves. Unelected socialists are the useful idiots that think they are going to prosper when the other proletariats haven’t.

Cool post bro, sounds smart. How about responding to my post instead of cherry-picking a quote and ignoring the rest?

I still haven't heard specifics of how her policy contradicts having a wealthy husband.

Or about her many Trump-endorsed colleagues who use race, religion and appearance to attack her?

 

[pmrmd]

Cool post bro, sounds smart. How about responding to my post instead of cherry-picking a quote and ignoring the rest?

I still haven't heard specifics of how her policy contradicts having a wealthy husband.

Or about her many Trump-endorsed colleagues who use race, religion and appearance to attack her?

Cool response bro, except it’s aimed at the wrong person. Just pointing out that if you “don’t know much about her” you come across as quite the supporter and someone that seems to know what she believes. Her policy page is pretty bland. Her voting record tells another story.

Trying to flip the argument to Trump doesn’t sound smart.

 

[bubaghanush]

Cool response bro, except it’s aimed at the wrong person. Just pointing out that if you “don’t know much about her” you come across as quite the supporter and someone that seems to know what she believes. Her policy page is pretty bland. Her voting record tells another story.

Thanks!

Now we're getting somewhere. Can you elaborate? Is there something inconsistent with her voting record and marrying a wealthy husband? Or a record that suggests she is more socialist than progressive Democrat?

Trying to flip the argument to Trump doesn’t sound smart.

I doubt I sound smart, especially on the internet.

The Trump question is valid because you implied Omar's endorsements strongly define her political position, while I said endorsements are primarily political favoring. You are holding Omar to a higher standard than Trump if you are saying his endorsements don't represent his views, but Omar's do.

 

[Ducttape]

Convenient you put those paragraphs at the end of your post.

Put cops on street corners where crime takes place. That’s how you slow this down. Let the NAACP and the progressives scream and yell, meanwhile every parent in these neighborhoods will thank you.

It’s ppl like you Duct, the ones who don’t live in these areas, who scream and moan and accuse you of racism, but if I’m a mayor or a member of the local govt in one of these areas I’m pushing cops into these places and I’d just ignore you.


Edit - You’re again wrong.

This graph you posted goes against what you said. It is true most firearm deaths are more likely rural, but that’s all suicide. The murder rates are higher in cities.

Blue is murder, orange is suicide.
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The other link you posted says most shootings are “rural” and not major cities. They still take place in cities dude.

LOFL at a “small cities and towns” with “less than 1 million people.”

One million people!!!!!????!?!?!? Oh, that’s a small town!?!?

Murder is a city problem brother.

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So I decided to find out what exactly that means…What is a small city and town of under one million people????


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a lot to respond to.

first, again, attacking the poster, not the point with your comments regarding living in a gun zone. i work in a gun zone (where the hospital is located). my patients live here. i dont live here but i frequent services in the area. about 4 of my (now former) patients have been unalived by guns. but again not pertinent to the discussion.

second, you make the claim, then you list the mayors that are requesting police stay at street corners 24/7. definitely not the mayor of chicago, or NY, or LA, or Boston.

third, pivot much?
just because you dont like the definition of large city vs small city is a you problem.

take your time to look at this article, which does break it down more to your liking, yet still shows that rural gun violence is a significant or more so than urban.

Gun Violence in Rural America

While politicians and the media have largely focused their attention on gun violence in large cities, rural communities continue to see a rise in gun-related deaths.

www.americanprogress.org

in that article, it does list the most violent counties/cities. there are 3 large cities - St. Louis, Baltimore, and Orleans Parish - but the rest are not population hubs and only 1 of the others has a population over 100,000.

 

[pmrmd]

Thanks!

Now we're getting somewhere. Can you elaborate? Is there something inconsistent with her voting record and marrying a wealthy husband? Or a record that suggests she is more socialist than progressive Democrat?


I doubt I sound smart, especially on the internet.

The Trump question is valid because you implied Omar's endorsements strongly define her political position, while I said endorsements are primarily political favoring. You are holding Omar to a higher standard than Trump if you are saying his endorsements don't represent his views, but Omar's do.

The basic point about socialists was made above. If you are for Medicare For All and for tax payers, you know the rich people, to pay for student debt, that’s a socialist stance.

I finally tracked down your post citing “racist” comments about Omar. The only citation wasn’t racist it all—it was ideological. You’re the one that inserted racism into the convo. Typical. Easier to ignore you than bother to talk with an intellectual fraud.

 

[bubaghanush]

The basic point about socialists was made above. If you are for Medicare For All and for tax payers, you know the rich people, to pay for student debt, that’s a socialist stance.

You point at her voting record and then shift to say Medicare for all makes you socialist. I didn't know supporting universal healthcare means you can't have a wealthy spouse. I wonder if there are other Dems with wealthy spouses and if they got the same criticism.

I finally tracked down your post citing “racist” comments about Omar. The only citation wasn’t racist it all—it was ideological. You’re the one that inserted racism into the convo. Typical. Easier to ignore you than bother to talk with an intellectual fraud.

Here is what Randy Fine in response to her criticism of Netanyahu:
“I’m sure it is difficult to see us welcome the killer of so many of your fellow Muslim terrorists.”

Lauren Boebert:
“The jihad squad decided to show up for work today.”

Brandon Gill:
"The time has come to arrest and deport Ilhan Omar," it says, "sign my petition and let's send her back to Somalia where she belongs."

I wouldn't call these quotes "ideological" but if you think so, we can agree to disagree.

 

[pmrmd]

I’m sorry, did you say something?

 

[Ducttape]

Does anyone really believe homicide is a country problem rather than a city problem?

Honestly?

Everyone knows where these crimes take place. We all know…

it is a US problem.

and it is clearly a problem that infects all of the US, not just large cities.

That was not the point.

It is a black problem occurring in cities, most of which are Democratically-run. I am not terribly interested in which party runs the city TBH. I don’t think it actually matters bc this is cultural, not political.

Again, that community is killing itself 7x more frequently than whites. I posted those data earlier.

Using pistols 88% of the time, blacks kill other blacks at 7x the rate of whites. It’s tragic and awful, and occurs in cities not hillsides.

Remove suicide from the data, and 13% of the population is responsible for the motherlode of gun death.

No one wants to fix this problem bc no one cares.

are you trying to say that white males do not kill other people with guns?

that statement is laughable.

not to change the subject like others on this thread, but the rate of white male gun violence far exceeds that of any other industrialized first world country.


fwiw, if you look at FBI database from 2019 - and this is not a complete listing, only the ones the FBI investigated - you still see that 39% of homicides were committed by whites.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/nibrs/2019/tables/pdfs/offenders_race_by_offense_category_2019.pdf

3432 of homicides out of a total of 8739.

 

[bubaghanush]

I’m sorry, did you say something?

Stick to the pain medicine threads, you seem in over your head here.

Good bye!

 

[cowboydoc]

I've heard more talk about universal basic income with the proliferation of AI. Thoughts on automation/job loss leading society toward a more socialist regime? A massive labor shift could make most of our current discussion of "socialist" policy fairly moot.

I'm of the opinion there will still be work, but evolving roles. Relatively more people will be on the take. A few companies may consolidate more power than they already do. People need a reason to get up in the morning. The lack of need to put forth effort will not end well.

 

[SSdoc33]

I've heard more talk about universal basic income with the proliferation of AI. Thoughts on automation/job loss leading society toward a more socialist regime? A massive labor shift could make most of our current discussion of "socialist" policy fairly moot.

I'm of the opinion there will still be work, but evolving roles. Relatively more people will be on the take. A few companies may consolidate more power than they already do. People need a reason to get up in the morning. The lack of need to put forth effort will not end well.

Yeah, it’s scary. I hate the idea of UBI. AI will decimate the working class

 

[pmrmd]

Yeah, it’s scary. I hate the idea of UBI. AI will decimate the working class

The working class will be the only ones in demand. AI can’t landscape, paint, hang drywall, etc.

AI can probably be a darn good attorney and a better clinician than most extenders.

I’m not eager for the next two decades.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

Yeah, it’s scary. I hate the idea of UBI. AI will decimate the working class

Negative. You're the one who will be in trouble along with your professional and white collar colleagues.

No more attorneys for me. Chatgpt and I have long discussions about engineering, code, and every single clause inside legal contracts. Does it make mistakes? Sure, but so do attorneys, inspectors, and architects, and I double-check everything regardless.

Let me know when they develop AI to replace your heat pump and take your rotted-out tree down.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

Good talk and enjoy your weekend! I am an attending. The book club sounds interesting but I think I post more than enough unnecessary political discussion here, thank you very much!

Thanks.

At least consider it. Maybe @VA Hopeful Dr will too.

It's not only political. We can do history, philosophy, etc. Whatever.

It's all in good fun, just to keep things interesting throughout the day. A bit of a mental break from seeing pts, that's it.

 

[SSdoc33]

Negative. You're the one who will be in trouble along with your professional and white collar colleagues.

No more attorneys for me. Chatgpt and I have long discussions about engineering, code, and every single clause inside legal contracts. Does it make mistakes? Sure, but so do attorneys, inspectors, and architects, and I double-check everything regardless.

Let me know when they develop AI to replace your heat pump and take your rotted-out tree down.

disagree.

manufacturing and agricultural jobs -- automation.
drivers and deliveries-- self driving vehicles
data entry, customer service, retail.


we (doctors) are a long way from being replaced by AI. ive never had an app that always worked well, ive never used an automated chatbot that didnt frustrated the f#ck out of me, and i would never trust AI to make a legitimate diagnosis and treatment plan. the younger generation may feel more comfortable, but that is at least 30 years away

 

[Pain Applicant1]

disagree.

manufacturing and agricultural jobs -- automation.
drivers and deliveries-- self driving vehicles
data entry, customer service, retail.


we (doctors) are a long way from being replaced by AI. ive never had an app that always worked well, ive never used an automated chatbot that didnt frustrated the f#ck out of me, and i would never trust AI to make a legitimate diagnosis and treatment plan. the younger generation may feel more comfortable, but that is at least 30 years away

I guess the jury is still out, but I can only report what I'm seeing as someone who works both blue and white collar jobs.

Repetitive task workers will be replaced by machines, but someone still needs to fix those machines. Skilled trades will be where it's at. Their demand will fluctuate for sure but this will be based on economic issues at large and not so much on AI.

Are you all working less for more money or more for less money than you were yesterday? How about your plumber and HVAC tech? Have they become more or less expensive? How about the illegal day laborers? Which way are their daily wages moving in?

 

[SSdoc33]

I guess the jury is still out, but I can only report what I'm seeing as someone who works both blue and white collar jobs.

Repetitive task workers will be replaced by machines, but someone still needs to fix those machines. Skilled trades will be where it's at. Their demand will fluctuate for sure but this will be based on economic issues at large and not so much on AI.

Are you all working less for more money or more for less money than you were yesterday? How about your plumber and HVAC tech? Have they become more or less expensive? How about the illegal day laborers? Which way are their daily wages moving in?

surely, there will always be lots of work for the trades. agree with that. im talking about the completely non-skilled laborers. they are SOL.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

Sanders is a bad choice here. He's been in Congress for over 30 years and his net worth seems to be around $3 million. I guarantee no one else who has served that long has that little (by comparison) money.

Don't get me wrong, I detest his politics but he stays pretty true to his principles.

It's all relative. The others don't preach like he does and if they do they belong in the same category that he's in.

He's a big ol' cheapskate when it comes to charitable giving, he's a millionaire, sorry multimillionaire, he owns 3 homes while complaining about the housing market, etc. He then comes back saying he donated proceeds of book sales, blah blah blah, but conveniently forgets to mention that he donated for a book that had poor sales and not one of his best sellers. Does this sound like someone who stays true to his principles to you?

Personally, I like him and am glad he's around. It's good to have both sides point out the wrongs of each. The tug o war keeps things middle ground, which is exactly where I want things to be kept.

 

[Ducttape]

as a side note, for a congressman who has been in office for 25 years, if he put in 10-15% of his salary towards retirement, he would have a net worth of $1.6-1.7 million simply from his 501(k). (i am assuming $20k per year with salaries that ranged from 100k to 175k)

his net worth is calculated to be $3 million.

i think there are better examples of congresspeople taking advantage of their privilege.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

as a side note, for a congressman who has been in office for 25 years, if he put in 10-15% of his salary towards retirement, he would have a net worth of $1.6-1.7 million simply from his 501(k). (i am assuming $20k per year with salaries that ranged from 100k to 175k)

his net worth is calculated to be $3 million.

i think there are better examples of congresspeople taking advantage of their privilege.

I'm not arguing about taking advantage of privilege. I'm stating the blatant and ugly hypocrisy.

For someone who owns 5x as many homes as the average American and is worth 16x the median American net worth, do you really not see the hypocrisy in said person preaching about economic egalitarianism and wealth inequality? What's I missin' here?

 

[SSdoc33]

I'm not arguing about taking advantage of privilege. I'm stating the blatant and ugly hypocrisy.

For someone who owns 5x as many homes as the average American and is worth 16x the median American net worth, do you really not see the hypocrisy in said person preaching about economic egalitarianism and wealth inequality? What's I missin' here?

the man is 84, still working, and has been in congress for 35 years. plus local politics for years before that. 3 mil net worth is peanuts for all that work

 

[Pain Applicant1]

the man is 84, still working, and has been in congress for 35 years. plus local politics for years before that. 3 mil net worth is peanuts for all that work

still not the point I'm making. Either way, I'm going to have to bust you on that one, I think.

The bulk of a politician's net worth typically comes from what they did before (and after) entering office, not during.

Also, what's the average net worth for the average US senator? Maybe a million? Sanders is still worth 3x as much. Not good, not even egalitarian with his own peers. Not looking very consistent for lil' ol' Sandy boy.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

but good that he's working at 84. I am happy to see that.

 

[SSdoc33]

still not the point I'm making. Either way, I'm going to have to bust you on that one, I think.

The bulk of a politician's net worth typically comes from what they did before (and after) entering office, not during.

Also, what's the average net worth for the average US senator? Maybe a million? Sanders is still worth 3x as much. Not good, not even egalitarian with his own peers. Not looking very consistent for lil' ol' Sandy boy.

im not talking about the average politican. im talking about bernie.

average net worth of senators is not easily searchable but it looks like it is comfortably north of 5 mil. and his "peers" are not 84 and have nbene doing this for 40 years.

your take is very strange

 

[Ducttape]

the median net worth for a US senator is $1 million.

based on 2019 data on open secrets, bernie sanders was 280th out of the 433 congresspeople.

he ranked 80th out of the senators on that list in 2019.

Top Net Worth - 2018 - Personal FinancesPersonal Finances

It is difficult to gauge what a lawmaker is worth because disclosure forms do not require exact values. Instead, lawmakers report the value of assets and liabilities within a range.Explore the personal finances of members of Congress as well as the executive and judicial branches. See their net...

www.opensecrets.org

on this tracker he is 314th out of 489 with regards to stock portfolio.

https://www.quiverquant.com/congress-live-net-worth/

so take it for what its worth. statements of his being wealthy are political attacks aimed to denigrate his message.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

Uh uh uh... no spinning here or as you love to say moving the goal posts.

We're not discussing whether or not he's rich, which he is, of course. But that's another point. Millions in real estate, millions in book royalties. Not too shabby for the egalitarian.

I'm strictly speaking of a man who pretends to support equality, but, again, he:

-owns 5x as many homes as the average American
-is worth 16x the median American net worth
-is a palsy and a pathetic contributor to charity
-beats the median for his peers
-screams all day long from his rooftop against income inequality

Don't know about your data, but if we can agree that the median for a US senator is 1 mil as you stated, you have to agree that he is comfortably above that. Considering that some pols significantly skew the average up with their extraordinary wealth, it's likely that he's doing much better than the majority of his colleagues.

I mean, why would it be any other way? Someone needs to pay for his homes, including his vacation one.

There is nothing egalitarian at all about this phony, except for when it comes to someone else's money, which is typically the way it works for libs.

Don't fall for it. The only reason he's not wealthier than he is, is because he can't make the cut in the real world. Definitely not out of choice. Better for him to remain safely in academia or gov, where it's much easier to manipulate your way to the high income bracket that he has.

 

[SSdoc33]

Uh uh uh... no spinning here or as you love to say moving the goal posts.

We're not discussing whether or not he's rich, which he is, of course. But that's another point. Millions in real estate, millions in book royalties. Not too shabby for the egalitarian.

I'm strictly speaking of a man who pretends to support equality, but, again, he:

-owns 5x as many homes as the average American
-is worth 16x the median American net worth
-is a palsy and a pathetic contributor to charity
-beats the median for his peers
-screams all day long from his rooftop against income inequality

Don't know about your data, but if we can agree that the median for a US senator is 1 mil as you stated, you have to agree that he is comfortably above that. Considering that some pols significantly skew the average up with their extraordinary wealth, it's likely that he's doing much better than the majority of his colleagues.

I mean, why would it be any other way? Someone needs to pay for his homes, including his vacation one.

There is nothing egalitarian at all about this phony, except for when it comes to someone else's money, which is typically the way it works for libs.

Don't fall for it. The only reason he's not wealthier than he is, is because he can't make the cut in the real world. Definitely not out of choice. Better for him to remain safely in academia or gov, where it's much easier to manipulate your way to the high income bracket that he has.

im no huge bernie fan, but you are out of your mind.

"cant make the cut" is stupid b/c he is an exceptional communicator, has a ton of charisma and is exceptional at his job even if you dont agree with his politics.

if you dive deeper into the data (which is purposefully hidden) you will see that he is far "poorer" than his peers despite being one of the oldest.

when bernie talks, he is talking about the billionaires, not the guy who has been making 174K for the last 16 years without a raise.

and book proceeds are "making it in the real world"

 

[Ducttape]

okay post the listing of the millions in real estate that he has.

because i looked. he has 3 houses, purchased for between $400k and $750k, that he put mortgages on for roughly 1.3 million, that have appreciated in value.


3 houses that he pays mortgages on.


very little of his income is from stock holdings and playing the market, unlike his wealthy colleagues.



he got his wealth from writing books - something that every american can do.


but it is not okay for him to make money writing books, eh? okay for me but not for thee?

Bernie Sanders Net Worth 2025: Inside His $3 Million Fortune

Bernie Sanders' net worth is $3 million in 2025, earned through his Senate salary and bestselling books. He has three homes—a Vermont primary residence, a D.C. townhouse, and a lakeside vacation property.

gazettedirect.com

What is Bernie Sanders' net worth? A look at homes owned by the Vermont senator

Bernie Sanders has an estimated net worth of around $3 million. Sanders and his wife, Jane O'Meara Sanders, currently own two homes and previously owned a third

www.hindustantimes.com

he is below near the median in terms of any of the sites for US Senator.

as i stated before, you are spewing political nonsense that was used in the past to invalidate his message. you bought the garbage hook line and sinker without even doing a second of research.

 

[Pain Applicant1]

okay post the listing of the millions in real estate that he has.

because i looked. he has 3 houses, purchased for between $400k and $750k, that he put mortgages on for roughly 1.3 million, that have appreciated in value.


3 houses that he pays mortgages on.


very little of his income is from stock holdings and playing the market, unlike his wealthy colleagues.



he got his wealth from writing books - something that every american can do.


but it is not okay for him to make money writing books, eh? okay for me but not for thee?

Bernie Sanders Net Worth 2025: Inside His $3 Million Fortune

Bernie Sanders' net worth is $3 million in 2025, earned through his Senate salary and bestselling books. He has three homes—a Vermont primary residence, a D.C. townhouse, and a lakeside vacation property.

gazettedirect.com

What is Bernie Sanders' net worth? A look at homes owned by the Vermont senator

Bernie Sanders has an estimated net worth of around $3 million. Sanders and his wife, Jane O'Meara Sanders, currently own two homes and previously owned a third

www.hindustantimes.com

he is below near the median in terms of any of the sites for US Senator.

as i stated before, you are spewing political nonsense that was used in the past to invalidate his message. you bought the garbage hook line and sinker without even doing a second of research.

You're getting mixed up... once again and as usual. I have no problem with him making money. More power to him. The problem is his hypocrisy as I mentioned several times over and over and over and over and over and over again. The bold is what it's like to have a discussion with you.

You get an F in your homework because it's contradicted by Forbes so one of you is wrong. I'll put my money on it being you.

...Burlington, 2009 for $405,000. Last year, after the hefty book profits started rolling in, Sanders paid off its 30-year mortgage, 25 years early

I think you "you bought the garbage hook line and sinker without even doing a second of research"

His vacation home was bought for cash in 2016 for nearly $600,000.

Since 2009 home values have more than doubled, so he's done quite well for himself.

Even if Forbes is wrong and we go with your numbers, his real estate portfolio is worth millions. Please tell me you know that anything over one million becomes plural and is millions.

How Bernie Sanders, The Socialist Senator, Amassed A $2.5 Million Fortune

Bernie Sanders may be a fierce critic of the wealthy, but he's multimillionaire from his hit books, real estate, government pensions and investments.

www.forbes.com

 

[Pain Applicant1]

im no huge bernie fan, but you are out of your mind.

"cant make the cut" is stupid b/c he is an exceptional communicator, has a ton of charisma and is exceptional at his job even if you dont agree with his politics.

if you dive deeper into the data (which is purposefully hidden) you will see that he is far "poorer" than his peers despite being one of the oldest.

when bernie talks, he is talking about the billionaires, not the guy who has been making 174K for the last 16 years without a raise.

and book proceeds are "making it in the real world"

Says "im not talking about the average politican. im talking about bernie" and then continues to talk about the average politician. 🤔

How is he far poorer? Even if we take your average, which may or may not be correct, it is likely skewed upward due to the extreme wealth of some politicians. The median would be better, and he's well above the median as ducttape noted above with the $1 mil net median worth.

I'll give you the book thing but only to some degree. He still would be unlikely to make it in the business world. Little correlation between charisma and the average business owner. Politicians, celebrities are one thing but not for business for most people.

Yeah, he's always criticizing the guy above him to do more and give more. At the same time, he's ignoring the guy below him who is telling him to give more and do more. That's why he's a hypocrite.

be the change you want to see in the world -anonymous
don't be a hypocrite with a summer home and a history of paltry charitable givings -me

 

[SSdoc33]

Says "im not talking about the average politican. im talking about bernie" and then continues to talk about the average politician. 🤔

How is he far poorer? Even if we take your average, which may or may not be correct, it is likely skewed upward due to the extreme wealth of some politicians. The median would be better, and he's well above the median as ducttape noted above with the $1 mil net median worth.

I'll give you the book thing but only to some degree. He still would be unlikely to make it in the business world. Little correlation between charisma and the average business owner. Politicians, celebrities are one thing but not for business for most people.

Yeah, he's always criticizing the guy above him to do more and give more. At the same time, he's ignoring the guy below him who is telling him to give more and do more. That's why he's a hypocrite.

be the change you want to see in the world -anonymous
don't be a hypocrite with a summer home and a history of paltry charitable givings -me

we were talking about senators, not congressmen, as the reps typically have less money. he is also old. you accumulate wealth as you age, so that is a variable that needs to be controlled for. mind-numbingly stupid to call him a hypocrite

 

[Ducttape]

You're getting mixed up... once again and as usual. I have no problem with him making money. More power to him. The problem is his hypocrisy as I mentioned several times over and over and over and over and over and over again. The bold is what it's like to have a discussion with you.

You get an F in your homework because it's contradicted by Forbes so one of you is wrong. I'll put my money on it being you.

...Burlington, 2009 for $405,000. Last year, after the hefty book profits started rolling in, Sanders paid off its 30-year mortgage, 25 years early

I think you "you bought the garbage hook line and sinker without even doing a second of research"

His vacation home was bought for cash in 2016 for nearly $600,000.

Since 2009 home values have more than doubled, so he's done quite well for himself.

Even if Forbes is wrong and we go with your numbers, his real estate portfolio is worth millions. Please tell me you know that anything over one million becomes plural and is millions.

How Bernie Sanders, The Socialist Senator, Amassed A $2.5 Million Fortune

Bernie Sanders may be a fierce critic of the wealthy, but he's multimillionaire from his hit books, real estate, government pensions and investments.

www.forbes.com

2.5 million is a lot for someone who has 6 books that have generated significant income?

you did not disavow the fact that he took mortgages out on 2 of his homes.

but thank you for posting about his paying off his homes. i did not see that in my searches. he used his book sales to pay up those mortgages.

and he paid for his 3rd house all on advance book money for a book. not exactly something that supports your contention of hypocricy


but then again, that means those funds are not available for use in stock market to take advantage of insider information and more on the straight and narrow unlike his compatriots.

his wealth of 2.5 million is still significantly less than any of his compatriots and it does not disavow his talking points.

you say he doesnt donate to charity. you cherry pick and say "he chose that book because it did poorly!" did you not know he chose to donate before the book came out? Feb 2011. "The Speech" was published March 1st, 2011.

he has also made other charitable donations that are listed in this article.

FACT CHECK: Has Bernie Sanders Never Donated A ‘Single Dime’ To Charity?

'FACT'

checkyourfact.com

FACT CHECK: Has Bernie Sanders Never Donated A ‘Single Dime’ To Charity?

'FACT'

checkyourfact.com

so where is his hypocrisy?

he has made money. much of it is through book sales, yet he would have become a millionaire based on safe simple 501 investments on a congressman's salary. he bought a house on advanced money. he is not using the office to garner greater wealth through stock market investments or insider information. at least from 2014-2017 he donated thousands to charity as is consistent with his salary. and it is hard to donate when most of his wealth is tied up in real estate.


wheres the hypocrisy?